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« on: June 18, 2024, 11:15:58 PM »

My SIL (husband's brother's wife) has made me her target in the family for irrational hatred. BIL has confided that a lot of their fights center around me and making him admit what a horrible person I am. Dont get me wrong, they have an incredibly toxic and abusive (physically and emotionally) relationship outside of me as well. She has said mean and disgusting things about my entire in-law family, but I seem to be the center of her hatred. I never knew she had these problems with me until one day she blew up on me. Then she made up baseless lies (that I believe she genuinely believes) about how I slighted her in the past.

Me being an anxious, people pleaser has not helped the situation. I ruminate, have gone into therapy because of her, am on high alert when I have to be around her at family gatherings. It has been a blessing in disguise because I am working through a lot of childhood trauma in therapy and growing as a person, but this experience has really deregulated my nervous system.

I am struggling with the rumination about her and the strong need to "understand". It has taken a toll on my self-esteem that someone can hate me SO much for reasons I don't understand.

She treats me very differently to my husband, even though he has done more to "confront" her in the past. She is incredibly kind to him while she makes her husband ignore me and is hostile/cold towards me at gatherings. This isolation is irritating. I want to be a stronger person and just "let go" and not ruminate on this every day of my life, but I am struggling. I have given her the power over my life even though I have to see her 1-2 times a month.

Can you guys please suggest any books or articles that helped you "emotionally detach" from the pwBPD in your life? How can I stop the ruminating? I constantly overthink and overanalyze her every action/word/facial expression when in her presence because I am so taken aback by her hatred and feel so unsafe in her presence. It is making me adopt BPD qualities.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2024, 06:56:24 AM »

My BPD mother has a preference for males. She disliked my father's family and the "targets" of her dislike are the females.

One aspect of BPD is projection of uncomfortable feelings and what they dislike about themselves. It would then make sense that a female with BPD would project on to a female- they are most like them.

My BPD mother does this with me. She herself has feelings about her weight and so commented on mine during my teen years. My mother was not overweight and neither was I and yet, she would project her feelings about herself at me. It has helped me to see that what my mother says to me or about me is often more about herself.

An idea that has helped me is to think of something absurd- something we are absolutely certain isn't true and substitute it for what is being said. If your SIL told you that you were a pink elephant- would you be considering it? If she said that, would that make it true? You are not a pink elephant and her saying it won't make it true.

Part of our boundaries is knowing who we are, what is true about us, and what isn't true. Your SIL can say whatever, but if it isn't true, it's not true. I understand that it's difficult being a people pleaser. It's been my tendency too. However, it's not possible to change how someone thinks or feels. You likely can not make your SIL feel any differently about you than she does. It is good that you are in therapy to help you with this.

My BPD mother has said things about my father's family that I know are not true. She also says things about others and about me. It's felt hurtful that she says these things. However, over time, I have realized people don't always believe her. I have done some work with a counselor and in 12 step codependency groups and it's helped me to realize that just because someone says something about me- doesn't make it true. If you can arrive at a point where you can detach from what she says - don't argue, explain, or get into it with her. Go "gray rock" emotionally neutral when in her presence.

Her husband is part of the dynamics with her. Likely he goes along with what she wants when you are in a group setting with them because if he doesn't- he will be dealing with her reaction once he gets home. I'd be willing to bet that is a very difficult situation for him.

Also talk to your husband about how you feel in her presence. Hopefully he understands. He may want to see his brother and that is OK- let him see him but you don't have to go. If your SIL feels "slighted" by this- too bad. You don't have to tolerate her behavior with you. Personally, I would avoid social get togethers with them unless it's a significant event like a wedding, or graduation where you want to attend as well.

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2024, 02:43:25 PM »

Hello, AspiretoGrow

I have read a lot about BPD and the one book that helps me detach from the confusion of what I have been contending with for years via my BPD-diagnosed DIL is by author Margalis Fjelstad:  "Stop Caretaking the Borderline or Narcissist: How to End the Drama and Get /on With Life."   

It was the author's stating over and over ..and over again, throughout the book that "BPD is a serious mental illness" that finally got through to me on ALL levels. That global awareness of the reality of BPD snapped me out of ANY remaining belief that I could effect a change or "cure" in this situation.

I am now focusing on stepping away from a highly-honed "caretaker" skill set that has served me very well in other life situations -but not here!
 In regards to dealing with a pwBPD, that caretaker role can set you up for intense confusion and prolonged emotional agony, stress and deep, deep grief.

Now, when waves of confusion, pain and especially that small voice within me that thinks its found "THE" solution rises, I repeat to myself, "She has  a serious mental illness".  Easy, quiet detachment immediate follows.  -What a gift.

***Not sure why Fjelstad"s book isn't on the recommended reading list for BPDFamily Forum. It certainly should be.
     I wish this had been the first book I ever read on the topic. It would have saved me years of agony and time.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2024, 02:52:02 PM »

(Fortunately, it is! The link is in our "Book Review" section: Stop Caretaking the Borderline or Narcissist - Margalis Fjelstad, PhD, LMFT

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2024, 09:09:36 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2024, 12:16:43 PM »

BIL has confided that a lot of their fights center around me and making him admit what a horrible person I am. Dont get me wrong, they have an incredibly toxic and abusive (physically and emotionally) relationship outside of me as well.

Hey aspiretogrow, great name  Smiling (click to insert in post)

When you're in the fray it's very tough to not be impacted.

Disordered people seem to prefer drama and chaos to feeling ignored or empty. Feeling nothing but her own pain is likely intolerable so she looks for something else to focus on that's less painful (to her). Maybe she perceives you interact with H and BIL effortlessly which triggers jealousy. Doesn't matter, really, but there's a good chance the original issue begins with her and her relationships with BIL and H. You are simply a catalyst for a drama starring her. Perhaps she doesn't want to share their attention, and/or she uses these fits of anger to keep BIL focused on her.

A book that really helped me was In Sheep's Clothing: Understanding and Dealing with Manipulative People. It wasn't an option for me to avoid my stepdaughter and like you, I had some prior trauma I was willing to address. That book helped me realize SD27 is different than me in ways that will not change. She's in my life and that also isn't going to change. I wanted to learn how to neutralize the ways she was "winning," since that is much of what drives SD27. Disordered, aggressive people struggle with genuine intimacy but want it, and since they can't generate it on their own, they want to "win" things to approximate what a loving or respectful relationship looks like. It's a hollow effort. Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, we're often losing a battle we didn't realize we were in.

The other thing I would read is Bowen's family systems theory especially about triangles and differentiation of self. This thing with SIL is likely more about BIL and H's family and how they do conflict. If you're a reader and want really understand drama triangles, most of Harriet Lerner's books are about that concept and how to not "over-function" when there are codependent traits and chronic family dramas. Karpman drama triangle is the Cliff's notes but I needed more in-depth help when SD27 lived with us and Lerner's books really helped the concepts land for me.

I'm curious how your H supports you during the times you have to see SIL? Do you feel he tries to protect you? Or does he seem to sort of go into survival mode on his own?

When stuff with SD27 was at its peak worst, I worked with my therapist to take inventory of moves my stepdaughter did to generate a one-up or one-down position. Then we looked at ways my H's responses did or did not enable her to perpetuate bad behaviors. We talked about whether he was preventing me from having boundaries, and if so, what I would do to make sure I had control over my boundaries so I didn't give that power away.

For you, it could be telling BIL (if he keeps telling you what SIL says) --Hey, I got the picture. That's enough. I'm sorry you get an earful. It sounds rough. Please stop sharing.

With H it might be the same, plus maybe something like how long you plan to spend in SIL's company. Is there room for negotiating how much you participate? Are these gatherings just the four of you or are other people present?

I had something that helped me stay flexible in my relationship with SD27. I envisioned a cup and my sole job was to fill it or keep it full. If I woke up tired or didn't feel well or had a busy schedule that generated anxiety, I focused on filling my cup. When it came to SD27, I gave nothing unless my cup was full. If you find yourself heading to these 2x monthly events and do not feel your cup is full, what consequences are there for tapping out? Not as a long-term solution so much as a signal to yourself that your needs come first. Schedule a massage instead or go out with people you feel safe with or whatever fills you.

Don't beat yourself up for caring about how this impacts you. She's an aggressive bully who is targeting you. Your nervous system is doing exactly what it should do. You're still gathering the skills that will require practice and repetition before you see fruits of your labor and there is some earlier trauma that wants and needs processing. I neutralized SD27's aggression and my nervous system still gets triggered. She used my bathroom during her last visit and I about had a heart attack. It took a while to return to baseline but I understood why my reaction was both reasonable and off the charts. 

In my situation, it was when I realized I was on my own --my husband was in the grip of his own issues in dealing with her -- that things started to swing in my direction. I began to compartmentalize this aspect of our relationship and set boundaries with him so I could have real boundaries with her, if that makes sense.

If you do opt to limit your time at these gatherings, if it were me I would really focus on making something fulfilling and wonderful happen when you opt out. When SD27 lived with us, and actually even now when we plan gatherings, I socially engineer as much as I can so that my needs are front and center.

Also, don't discount the impact of SIL icing you out. It's a way to make you feel erased, which for some people is worse than being yelled at. Have you talked through this with your T?

My stepdaughter does this to me as well. If my cup is full, I focus on keeping it full so she has a harder time draining it. I think this is why it's so important to heal old injuries because doing so makes it easier to counter this kind of battle. I also put more effort into strengthening my relationships with other family members and now have H's full respect when it comes to SD27 because I neutralized her behaviors toward me without creating any long-term chronic conflict.

It's still really hard even though she doesn't live with us anymore. The truth is I don't like her and have to accept I'll never trust her. But my motto is that we don't have to all like each other, we just have to make it work. pwBPD traits cannot make it work so you'll have to be the emotional leader. That is not anything like being codependent or being a caretaker, although if you've healed some of those tendencies they can come in handy. As long as you understand the significance or taking care of you. Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)
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