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« on: August 28, 2013, 09:51:38 PM »

It's been a month and a half since my long-distance uBPDh walked out on me in the middle of the night, got a hotel room and then caught a plane back to his city the next day. We both had a two-month summer break and we were supposed to spend it together. I had a work-related project due, so I needed to be at my home base for the majority of the summer and I thought he had agreed to spending this time at my place. He picked a fight in order to push me away, then spent three-quarters of the summer on his own. He said he assumed that I would come and spend a few days with him in August. I was not about to see him again after being left high and dry in an angry huff in mid-July, without so much as a goodbye (to my children either, who were awake at the time, and one of them used to call him ":)ad".

I don't think he cheats on me physically, but he likes to be on the prowl, giving girls the eye, texting female friends and meeting them for lunch, etc. He lives in a fascinating city and I live in a boring city; we were both born in his city but I moved to the boring place for my career. We've been together four years and it's always been long-distance. First six months were heady and euphoric idealization, then we sank into the cycle of him finding fault with me every six to twelve months in order to dump me and then come back as though it never happened. He has paranoid episodes in which he throws around the most incredible accusations  Once in a while he does something really crazy like opening the car door while I'm driving as if to jump out (with my kids in the back seat ). Never a dull moment.

Now our summer vacations are over and it's back to work for both of us. I've been on the fence over what to do, and it shows no sign of ending. I filed for divorce in April of 2012 only to cave in to regret and his feeble "I love you's" and "Haven't we had good times together?" He's texting more often his "Love you's" and "Miss you's" and even sent me a greeting card with a cartoon of a  on a platter . However, there's no real communication. I've emailed, texted, and told him over the phone that I would only consent to see him again if he were in therapy, but he still denies that he has anything wrong with him. In my view, the cycle of pulling me in and then pushing me away, involving my daughter as well, is all too clear.

I know that nobody out there has a crystal ball, but is anything going to fly up and hit me in the face if I just stay married to him but refuse to see him, and keep insisting that he get therapy? In the meantime, I have sought counseling myself, to begin soon (I have a dx of mild bipolar 2 and take no meds). I myself don't know how long I will stay in this holding pattern. Sometimes I feel like I still love him, other times I feel detached. At least he is not actively kicking my heart around, but on the other hand I am not healing. My kids are pretty relieved that we have no plans to see him, which is sad. :'(
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2013, 08:45:42 PM »

Hi SweetCharlotte,

It's been a month and a half since my long-distance uBPDh walked out on me in the middle of the night, got a hotel room and then caught a plane back to his city the next day. We both had a two-month summer break and we were supposed to spend it together. I had a work-related project due, so I needed to be at my home base for the majority of the summer and I thought he had agreed to spending this time at my place. He picked a fight in order to push me away, then spent three-quarters of the summer on his own.

So in spite of your plans together, he up and left you in the middle of the night.  You can see this as a metaphor for what could happen to you at any point in your marriage with him.  If you are ok with this, then I guess nothing will happen to you that you won't be ok with.

I don't think he cheats on me physically, but he likes to be on the prowl, giving girls the eye, texting female friends and meeting them for lunch, etc.

Why be on the prowl?  Except in order to cheat on you?  Of course in *his* mind he isn't cheating on you.  You see if he's suffering from BPD, then on occasions he will imagine that you are going to abandon him.  And the best way to avoid abandonment (even if it is only imagined) is to be the one who abandons first.  So from his perspective, he is just doing to you what you are planning to do to him.  To him, it's fair play.

This is what he did when he left you in the middle of the night.  He left you before you could leave him.

And in a sense every time he suffers from these imagined abandonments, a possible way in which he might "deal" with this fear, is to find someone else to be with, in order to abandon you first.  And I'm not saying these are always physical affairs.  Perhaps they are emotional affairs.  Perhaps all he needs is just the "potential" to be with someone else; thus he prowls.  But as I see it, he does this in order to abandon you before you can abandon him.

And once his disordered fear of abandonment subsides, then he can come back to you.  From his perspective, it's a brand new start, even though your attachment to him has been more or less continuous.  And all this might be happening many times over, while you are away back in your city, without knowing that any of this has happened.  "How was your day, honey?"  "Fine."

We've been together four years and it's always been long-distance.

I think that because you have been in a long-distance relationship with him, this is the principle reason why you've been able to stay together for as long as you have.  I wonder how things would be different if you did not have this distance.

First six months were heady and euphoric idealization, then we sank into the cycle of him finding fault with me every six to twelve months in order to dump me and then come back as though it never happened.

He dumps you.  Or "abandons" you.  And comes back as though it never happened.  Brand new start.

He has paranoid episodes in which he throws around the most incredible accusations  Once in a while he does something really crazy like opening the car door while I'm driving as if to jump out (with my kids in the back seat ). Never a dull moment.

But these kinds of things don't happen often enough to really light a fire beneath you.  The physical distance you have with him gives you a break from these kinds of events.  It would be a different story if these kinds of events happened more often.  Or say every other day.

Now our summer vacations are over and it's back to work for both of us. I've been on the fence over what to do, and it shows no sign of ending. I filed for divorce in April of 2012 only to cave in to regret and his feeble "I love you's" and "Haven't we had good times together?" He's texting more often his "Love you's" and "Miss you's" and even sent me a greeting card with a cartoon of a  on a platter . However, there's no real communication.

No real communication.  But anything and everything, in order to avoid the perceived "abandonment."  Because that's how he sees divorce.  You abandoning him.  Unless he can abandon you first.

I know that nobody out there has a crystal ball, but is anything going to fly up and hit me in the face if I just stay married to him but refuse to see him, and keep insisting that he get therapy?

I don't know.  What would be the metaphorical equivalent of him jumping out of a moving vehicle?  For someone capable of doing that, what kind of behavior would he have to exhibit that would surprise you more?

In the meantime, I have sought counseling myself, to begin soon (I have a dx of mild bipolar 2 and take no meds). I myself don't know how long I will stay in this holding pattern. Sometimes I feel like I still love him, other times I feel detached. At least he is not actively kicking my heart around, but on the other hand I am not healing. My kids are pretty relieved that we have no plans to see him, which is sad. :'(

I think it's a good idea to start finding extra ways to take care of yourself and your kids.  I think that if he senses that abandonment is immiment, then he is more likely to act out.  Then again, you have no idea what he's doing to cope, so it's just a matter of him leaving you alone.  I really think it would be a completely different story if you didn't have this distance.  And if you choose to stay with him.  One day, there won't be this distance to insulate you from how he handles his disorder.

I hope some of this helps.

Best wishes, Schwing
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2013, 04:40:16 PM »

Thank you, Schwing, for taking the time to assimilate this complex situation. I am definitely looking into ways to keep me and my kids healthy.

You're right, I've always felt that the relationship would have panned out differently, or would never have happened, if it weren't long-distance.

I'm not OK with him up and walking out on me after picking a fight. That's why I got into this holding pattern in which I'm not letting him come back, and waiting in the hope that he will see a therapist.

And now he has so many other medical problems. Some, but not all, are the long-term result of his BPD behaviors. At least two of his conditions are life-threatening. One is untreatable. He may not live very long, or he may have to retire early on disability. Sometimes I think that he walks (sometimes runs) away from me now just because he can. In a few years, he may not be able to. Unfortunately, by then I will have built up so much resentment.

Does anyone else have experiences with a long-distance uBPD spouse, or with a partner whose medical issues make things more complex? I should probably start a thread on the latter. My H has had a recent partial colectomy because of diverticulitis, has an abscessed liver, binge-eating disorder, a disc-removal from in his lower back (a real medical mistake that causes him chronic pain), and swellings in two places in his aorta, which is a prelude to aortic aneurysm. Also, indebtedness of $120K. Of course, he somehow was given charm, looks, intelligence, and wit in equal measure to his calamities. Love my train wreck of a man.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2013, 08:46:51 AM »

Mine started long distance actually, and in retrospect, the distance is what managed the relationship so well, I think. It reduced opportunities for conflict. Unknown to me at the time.

Mine also has a nice array of other physical conditions, PMDD, depression, sunstance abuse. Ofc I'm an alcoholic (sober for the most part while together, major binges once she leaves) and I guess I'm codependant.

But yeah I have similar experiences to yours, only saving grace with my uBPDw is that none of her 5 children are mine and we don't own anything together, so I'm not locked into seeing her in any way right now and I've moved out of state to figure this all out in peace.
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2013, 11:51:30 AM »

Well, I had a LDR with my uBPDbf six out of the seven months we were together. We met locally and less than a month later I was offered a very good job I couldn't turn down (I was desperate for work; was unemployed for almost a year, I exhausted all my savings).

So I took the job and the ex and I wanted to try staying together despite the distance.

I was committed to this. I knew it would be a tough go. His problem is he changed his mind every other week about the LDR. One week it was: "I can't take it. You left. Move on. Let me go." To the following week: "I miss you so much, I love you and need you, come back." To: "Let's take it slow." Then: "Let's get married." Then: "I can't do this. Bye." Then: "Maybe I will move to where you are."

Overall, the distance destroyed us. I think A LOT about "what if... " What if I didn't move? Would we be happy and still together? I blame myself for him falling out of love with me because I couldn't give him 24/7. I drove to him every weekend but that wasn't enough. (We're in the same state. Also, he never drove to me. It was always me having to see him.)

Then I think about his alcoholism and uBPD and I think that no matter what, even if I had stayed and we were together in the same city, it would only be a matter of time before he pushed me away. Some other major event, or even a small event, would have triggered his anxiety and he'd probably have flaked out anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2013, 10:22:06 PM »

Some other major event, or even a small event, would have triggered his anxiety and he'd probably have flaked out anyway.

"Flaked out" LOL: that is what my hubs has done time after time.

Sounds like you did everything you could have, peas. It probably saved you extra heartache being far away and in a different environment.
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2013, 11:52:22 PM »

Well Sweet holding patterns can last very very long in my case over 2 and a half years he never cheated we did continue a weekend relationship "supposedly trying to work on our marriage" then he basically left again even though he had already up and physically left the 2 and a half years before . He then basically said don't come over on weekends for a few in a row see if I miss you . Well it is true their hearts don't miss us 2 weeks is like 2 years I think to them. He decided he didn't miss me so he must have not been in love with me anymore. So didn't want me to come over anymore . Mind you didn't want a divorce either . 3 months later he has a girlfriend he met online and moves her in for weekends than 6 months later FT that was over 4 years ago and we are still legally married not even legally seperated . So holding patterns can last forever. He won't divorce me its all about money the house they live in is in his name and mine given to us as a wedding present by his parents who have since died. He also quit working and wouldn't want to give any of his pension up. Me I could care less if we stay married "till death do us part" I was devasted by him finacially and emotionally and have been disabled since before we were married so can't afford to divorce him. He has never helped me financially,yet put her through school and she works and supports "our house with him and he is now disabled".

My advice if you can get out of the airport and fly away 
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2013, 02:07:33 AM »

My advice if you can get out of the airport and fly away 

Thanks, Zena, that's always great advice if one can take it. "Straighten out and fly right," as my Mom used to say.

I am so sorry to hear that you have been plagued by disability. This can happen to any of us at any time. At this point he's the one with a host of ailments, any one of which could result in his becoming disabled or worse at any moment. His father died of aortic aneurysm at 70, and what the H has is a prelude to that (we are in our fifties). Plus the partial colectomy is still causing him pain. Each time it worsens, he has to wonder whether something has ruptured and peritonitis is setting in. From time to time the pain in his back from the discectomy of fifteen years ago that he probably should not have had gets so intense that he is immobilized. He will be lucky to hold onto his job until he is eligible for a pension; he is often out sick and eventually this could cause his suspension.
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2013, 11:20:05 PM »

Hi Sweet well we are oth 49 and disabled he more than I in my eyes he is a type 1 diabetic has had 3 coronary stents put in in the last 3 years blind in one eye his eyesite worsening but he trudges on . His father had numerous heart attacks and lived to 80 his mom till 84 . I believe the saying only the good die young he will probably outlive me no doubt . He lets all that rage out and pushes through everything even will stitch his own wounds high tolerance to physical pain too. I since he left have just gotten worse physically and emotionally . Never want him back and glad he has someone else to take his crap and take "care of him" . But don't have the energy or willpower to do anything or remember who I was or who I want to be anymore either.

I feel 80 most days physically a otal couch potato racked with physical pain but to look at me people would wonder what my issue is I look like I am about 35 and nothing is wrong with me. Which only makes the emotional side feel worse .

Get out if you have any strength at all ... .I know much easier said than done as I can definately identify with as you have read.I do know the longer we don't talk the better I feel but we have never done no contact he seems to have some radar built in if it goes 3-4 weeks he calls for some odd ball thing like to ask about a computer problem or something . ( he probably is lonely now that he has so much time on his hands not working anymore and she works )

Take Care ... .
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