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« on: December 18, 2013, 10:50:32 PM »

Hey ya'll.

I made the decision today to walk away from this 14 year relationship with my son's mother.

I am in tears right now because I know how much I love her; but I also know that I need to start loving me and having enough respect for me.  That my feelings, needs, and emotional state are first and foremost.  My closest family members don't understand why I continue to go back to someone after everything she put me through.  And I guess it all comes down to fear.  Fear of the unknown, fear of her finding happiness with someone else, fear of me NOT finding happiness with anyone else, and fear of failing or even succeeding without her.

She has done terrible things to me, yet continues to recycle me after 2-3 months of NC.  She has called the police a half dozen times on false accusations of DV (3 of these while I was in nursing school and on the Dean's List), she ruined a nursing career, slandered me throughout the community (triangulating with mom's on my son's baseball team and smearing my name with others), and last Sat night, probably slept with another man (or man she has had her eye on).  But yet, it is so hard to let go and I almost feel guilty doing it.

I have drank allot to get over the abuse/ neglect that I have received over the years.  I am now in AA with a sponsor, I made an appointment today with a psychiatrist, I plan on joining a gym tomorrow and getting back into triathalon shape, and I was accepted to a national top 5 Petroleum Engineering School (starting in August 2014), which is 60 miles away from here, but sixty miles away from my son.  So I have things to look forward to, yet, walk around every day like a zombie, space cadet, who sometimes thinks that I AM the one who is crazy.

Has anyone else felt like this before?  Is this something that they can "program" or "hardwire" into our brains?  That we are the ones who are messed up?  That the entire kitchen sink of problems that happened in our relationship was because of us?

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2013, 11:08:12 PM »

Being in a relationship with a borderline is hell beyond reason.  It will take some time to re-learn what life was like before, but you can do it.  We have all come out of these relationships full of doubt, shame, and depression.  I am 6 months out and still struggle with the addiction of a borderline, but it does get better.  Just think of how nice life will be like to not walk on eggshells constantly.  To not fear reactions that come out of nowhere and to be a whole person again.

It is great that you have joined AA, started exercising again, and going back to school.  The walking around like a zombie is all too familiar to me.  I still have times where I feel like I am simply in shock, and that is what it is.  It is not you that is messed up it is that you have lived a life of crazy for so long that you don't know what normal is anymore.  It will get better as long as you take steps to making it better.  Go right ahead and be angry, hurt, and depressed.  Those emotions are all natural considering what you have been through.  It is all part of the proccess and does get better, and then one day you get to take a deep breath and say "WOW that was crazy I'm so glad to get my life back."
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2013, 11:11:04 PM »

Congratulations on finding this site and know that you are here with people who understand completely what you are now going through and dealing with.  

BPD is an attachment disorder.   They attach onto to us to feel whole, to feel they have some worth, to fill up their inner emptiness.    Once they have attached onto to us and gotten everything we could give them or everything that they can unload onto us they don't have any more use for others honestly, they are now onto searching or sizing up the next victim.    When you are around someone with a mental illness 24/7 does it rub off on those closest to them?   You bet it does.    Unfortunately this is not going to go away overnight for you to become truly healthy again.   Congratulations on beginning your journey to peace and true happiness.  

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2013, 11:12:02 PM »

thank you emotion.  I appreciate it.

Is it normal for you to feel like you are crazy?  Do they sometimes hypnotize us into thinking that?  Or is this their projection onto us?
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2013, 11:32:35 PM »

This is called gas lighting, they modify their perception and will do whatever to stick to this perception
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2013, 11:35:53 PM »

Perhaps you should have look on the main board to get acquainted with BPD behaviors. You will get it all.

BTW welcome!
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2013, 11:49:22 PM »

Hey arn... .Here's something that might help you. Seriously my friend. Focus on that PE school. That will absolutely change your life. Do you have oil and gas experience? If you do you probably already know what I'm saying. You won't have no time for any of her bs. You can go just about anywhere in the world with that piece of paper. You can know that your son will be taken GOOD care of financially. I'm sorry about your nursing career washing out. A PE degree in my opinion is a much better deal. Sometimes things happen for a reason buddy. You are on the edge of a new life here. AA sounds like it has been good for you. I know you can't see it or feel it but you have one of the most golden opportunities a person can have right now. The opportunity to change just about everything in your life for the better. Stick with it.

Sounds like she ain't no good for you and you know it. I know it's hard. Had one just about like her and it like ta kilt me! It's easy enough to say forget her. It's got to be one of the hardest things to do. I believe some of the ideas and principles of AA and alcohol recovery are exactly the same as recovering from a sick relationship. Kinda like a 2X bonus for you.
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2013, 12:26:26 AM »

Hey arn... .Here's something that might help you. Seriously my friend. Focus on that PE school. That will absolutely change your life. Do you have oil and gas experience? If you do you probably already know what I'm saying. You won't have no time for any of her bs. You can go just about anywhere in the world with that piece of paper. You can know that your son will be taken GOOD care of financially. I'm sorry about your nursing career washing out. A PE degree in my opinion is a much better deal. Sometimes things happen for a reason buddy. You are on the edge of a new life here. AA sounds like it has been good for you. I know you can't see it or feel it but you have one of the most golden opportunities a person can have right now. The opportunity to change just about everything in your life for the better. Stick with it.

Sounds like she ain't no good for you and you know it. I know it's hard. Had one just about like her and it like ta kilt me! It's easy enough to say forget her. It's got to be one of the hardest things to do. I believe some of the ideas and principles of AA and alcohol recovery are exactly the same as recovering from a sick relationship. Kinda like a 2X bonus for you.

Thank you so much Perfidy. I couldn't stop crying the whole time I read your post.  I may sound like a sissy, but it's been a LONG time coming and once the tears start they don't stop it seems, lately.  I guess the truth is setting me free right now, but it's tears of pain, a conscious realization I know what to do, and hope.  Hope that I will have a better life without her and hope that I will love again one day.  Thank you, thank you, thank you

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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2013, 12:44:13 AM »

Congratulations on taking that first big step. Let the tears flow... .It will be like draining the BPD poison out. Everything you feel right now is very normal after a BPD experience. You are not alone and you will slowly but surely get over it. The trick is NO CONTACT or because you have a child together, LIMITED CONTACT if you orefer. Remember that a person with BPD can do things that you and I couldn't even think of.  Just one word from her can tear you to shreds right now or take you backwards in your recovery. Keep away and follow through with your plan to get healthy.

The NO CLOSURE bit is a real bummer isn't it? I've been there. She wasn't going to give it to me so I didn't ask for it. I got over that sooner than I thought was possible. Don't go looking for closure from her... .You won't get it. In time you will find your own closure and this will catapult you to the fast track on your road to recovery. 

You are definitely on the right track. Good luck and we are definitely with you all the way.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2013, 01:23:40 AM »

Thanks Aussie,

I appreciate that.  I went to my son's basketball game tonight.  I sat on the opposite side of the gym.  Hugged my son, told him good luck before the game.  Kissed him, told him how proud of him I was after the game. talked a little about christmas and what he wanted from Santa, bought him a powerade and left.  Didn't say a thing to or look at her.

It's funny, she painted me black to many of the mom's at the playground where my house is located near.  Since splitting, she is living at her sister's house on the other side of our city, and now has my son at a new different playground. 

My son has many friends that he has made over the last 4-5 years at the old playground, but is this normal?  Will a BPD mom change playgrounds, schools, houses, etc over their son's lives.  If so, it pisses me off, I grew up with Dave from down the street, and we played ball together and went to school together.  Guess, I just want my son to grow up normally with steady, long-lasting  friendships.

Is the lack of closure from these women due to the fact that they want to leave the future open just in case they need you and try to recycle you later on?

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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2013, 01:41:51 AM »

Arn, I'm one of the toughest mother effers in the field. When I look around me there ain't nobody else. Nobody can hang. For real, I been doing this for long time now. When the split came nine months ago I cried like a camel on Monday for about three months. Every day.

What's happening to you is what a healthy person feels when the relationship is over. The operative word here is OVER. The pain is all part of the healing process. Everyone knows its even tougher when kids are shared. Right now the thing is to concentrate on you. You could do your best by having as little contact with her as possible. This isn't being weak. It's being strong for yourself. If you have family or friends have them do as much as they can for you about arranging time with your son between you and her. The less contact the better. It will give you time to heal, give her time alone for her stuff. What she's doing isn't personal and it isn't really any of your business as long as your son isn't being harmed, at least physically. Usually it's the whole family needs to heal in their own way. It sucks right now, I know this. I also know it gets better and keeps getting better as long as we don't screw it up by trying to get life to agree to our terms. I've been doing a lot of stuff for me. It helps. Therapy is good stuff. Not what I expected this time. Actually understanding it and absorbing most of it. Not all of it but enough of it for now. I stumble. I get setbacks. I fall. I get up. Keep going. Pretty standard near as I can tell. Learning things like radical acceptance. Basically living life on life's terms. You can't change her. Mindfulness. The now is all that matters. The past isn't real now. It was real when it happened. Now is the only reality. All kinds of ideas about getting centered and balanced. Take care of yourself my friend.
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2013, 02:03:03 AM »

Walking away is closure - your closure. You cut the cord - be very proud.

You will have a "phantom chord" for some time but gradually the pain will lessen. Getting sober and other good things are great but don't forget to grieve.

Congrats.
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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2013, 09:11:20 AM »

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Is the lack of closure from these women due to the fact that they want to leave the future open just in case they need you and try to recycle you later on?

That is a damn good question.  I never thought of the lack of closure in those terms.  I believe the answer is yes.  That and the fact that BPD is shame based.  A big part of the lack of closure is that they DO know that they messed up but can not will not ever be able to sincerely acknowledge it.  The day will come when she attempts to recycle.  It will come when she needs something from you, whether it be your love she suddenly misses or her new guy figures out she is crazy and she is alone again.  The best thing to do right now is learn all you can about this illness and become real with it.  I am still tempted to put my hand back in the fire even though I know it will hurt.  But I don't because I know the outcome.  I'll let someone else take that bullet.
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2013, 01:18:24 PM »

Has anyone else felt like this before?  Is this something that they can "program" or "hardwire" into our brains?  That we are the ones who are messed up?  That the entire kitchen sink of problems that happened in our relationship was because of us?

Yes and it's called gas lighting. I almost believed her.

I couldn't see the forest for the trees.

The FOG started to lift after she left and I started seeing things for what they were. Controlled contact helped me (I have kids, can't go full NC).

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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2013, 01:58:54 PM »

Has anyone else felt like this before?  Is this something that they can "program" or "hardwire" into our brains?  That we are the ones who are messed up?  That the entire kitchen sink of problems that happened in our relationship was because of us?

Yes and it's called gas lighting. I almost believed her.

I couldn't see the forest for the trees.

The FOG started to lift after she left and I started seeing things for what they were. Controlled contact helped me (I have kids, can't go full NC).

What is controlled contact?  Can you give me some examples?  I did not talk to her at my son's basketball game.  Ignored her, and was there for my son... .

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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2013, 02:11:09 PM »

What is controlled contact?  Can you give me some examples?  I did not talk to her at my son's basketball game.  Ignored her, and was there for my son... .

Controlled contact for me.

I created an email address for the kids and blocked the ex from my personal email. That way everything is tracked by email. I don't have everything mixed into one e-mail inbox and seperate. I can use it later for my lawyer if I need to. Not everything needs a response either right away. Let the emails pile up if need be, respond to what needs a response. I usually wait for a day. Short to the point, business like. No ambiguity.


I document everything on Google Calendar. It's uploaded automatically from my smartphone and documented on the cloud as well, in case said phone crashes and I can pull it up anywhere.

No phone calls unless it's an emergency for the kids. She has called with non-emergency issues, more to berate me on the phone. I let everything go to voice-mail and I don't call her back, if there is something that needs a response, I e-mail it.

I blocked her from texting.

I've blocked her from social networking.

I only talk to her about the kids and don't respond/engage about anything else. I don't respond to her even if she is trying to be nice. Nothing. I have on the occasion responded but it's lose/lose. Don't be hard on yourself if you slip and keep doing it.

I don't go to her door to pick up the kids because I'm afraid that she may falsely accuse me of something (i,e. Mutt tried to hit me etc... .) she has raged at me 2x when I picked up the kids, followed by voicemails because she was dysregulated and projecting, I didn't respond to either. I validated the kids about the ex's behavior and went on my way, thanks to the advice of this board.

I keep a voice recorder (app on smartphone) if she drops the kids off at my house.

I don't co-parent. I parallel parent to minimize conflict/control/drama.

I'm still in litigation with family courts, but I want everything in a parenting order/schedule to minimize conflict. Be specific and remove ambiguity as to not leave things open to interpretation, because ambiguity will be exploited.

I was at a student led teacher conference a few weeks back fro D7 and S5. I didn't go with her or at the same time as her, I made my own appointment. I went back to my son's teacher's room because he was there and with STBX, to wish him goodbye. She purposely tried to talk to me, I nicely said "I got everything I needed for S5 from the teacher" and walked away.

I don't speak bad about mom or alienate her when the kids are with me, but I ignore her as well.

I spoke to her once in person since she left and briefly on the phone in the last 11 months?

I hope that helps arn131arn.


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P.S. Give yourself closure. Validate yourself in the relationship.
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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2013, 03:19:13 AM »

Mutt, you have that worked out beautifully and sensibly. Well done.
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2013, 08:00:30 AM »

Mutt, you have that worked out beautifully and sensibly. Well done.

Thanks Aussie0zborn! There are times I thought I'm being too strict but no more games. STBX "why don't you call or come to the door like a normal person?" It's about protecting me and not getting into trouble for a false allegation. I'm thinking about the kids. She can't think about the consequences about what she's feeling and lashing out and the impact she has on someone's life. You don't think that you have an issue and don't want to get help? Fine. I'm taking my ball and going home.
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