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« on: June 23, 2014, 10:05:12 PM »

Tonight was a night from a text book BPD case. My BPDD30 asked me if I would take her and her son to fireworks on the 4th. My reply was that I would barring any extenuating circumstance. We have a grandchild due on the 4th. She wanted me to put in writing that I would take her, I told her no. I explained that I meant what I said and would take her unless something unforseen comes up. She said" you mean, unless you get a Better offer " I told her no, that I meant what I said , nothing more nothing less, this went on and on and on... . I finally told her that I was not going to be bullied or harassed, and that she would either live by the rules of the house or find elsewhere to live, I told her she would not be allowed to control my life, that we all respect her and she must respect us in return. This of course lead to panic because what she heard was, shut up, we don't want you here get out of my house. After a few hysterical moments I told her that i loved her and was not tossing her out, she has value like everybody else, I just require respect and some semblance of peace in my own home. I told her the choice was hers to make. She calmed down rather quickly, but I'm not sure I handled it correctly. I did not raise my voice, but I was quite firm, I left no question about if I meant it or not. Is there a way I could have avoided this drama?
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2014, 07:12:50 AM »

I feel the need to add some further background to this. Earlier in the evening there had been a small exchange, My dd had sent me a text while I was at work stating that she and her son were bored. I replied with an I'm sorry and a sad face. nothing further occurred until I had stopped at the grocery store on the way home and picked up a few items. DD was very upset that I had not come home first, she stated that I was rude for not considering her when I had been told earlier that she was bored, why hadn't I thought to bring her along so she could get out of the house. I was a little bit shocked by her sudden outburst, but let it go. Honestly I hadn't thought about it, I wanted to get the groceries and go home, but I apologized to her anyway. She carried on for a bit, but I let it go. Then we had the 4th of July fireworks conversation, I was pretty vague in that description, but she had boughts of crying and hysteria, there was of course barrage of dirty words and name calling to go along with it. I decided that I had  to put on the brakes and make her understand that she would not be allowed to treat me or anybody in my home with such dis-respect. I understand that she was upset and miserable and that when she thinks I don't understand her feelings she will try until she thinks I do. I explained to her that I heard what she had said, and even repeated it back to her,  but I did not agree with her, therefore we needed to agree that we were not going to agree on this subject, and of course she was hearing, you suck, you don't matter, who cares what you feel etc... . In trying to talk reason with her she became more and more out of control, so I put my foot down and gave the choice to respect me and my home and live by the house rules or to live elsewhere. So the question here is, Could I have handled that differently?
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2014, 03:21:18 PM »

I understand that she was upset and miserable and that when she thinks I don't understand her feelings she will try until she thinks I do. I explained to her that I heard what she had said, and even repeated it back to her,  but I did not agree with her, therefore we needed to agree that we were not going to agree on this subject, and of course she was hearing, you suck, you don't matter, who cares what you feel etc... . In trying to talk reason with her she became more and more out of control, so I put my foot down and gave the choice to respect me and my home and live by the house rules or to live elsewhere. So the question here is, Could I have handled that differently?

Thanks for the update, tristesse... . Actually, I think the answer to your question is explained in the paragraph above. Have you checked out the links to the right-hand side of this page yet? Especially the TOOLS section? It sounds like your daughter needs validation of her feelings. Something that we forget lots of times is that validation isn't actually agreeing with those feelings; if we had to agree with the things that our BPD loved ones feel, we wouldn't ever be able to communicate with them in a way that doesn't push all of their buttons. What validation helps us do is listen to their complaints, acknowledge that they feel that way, and let them know that we understand they feel that way. We don't need to tell them that it is right or wrong, just that we know that's how they feel.

Are you familiar with TOOLS: S.E.T. - Support, Empathy and Truth? That is a really good technique to use in navigating a situation like you were dealing with. Instead of telling her that you hear what she is saying, that you don't agree with her and therefore need to agree to disagree (or even trying to reason with her), try S.E.T.:

S=Support: Daughter, I understand that you were upset when I didn't come home and ask you to go shopping with me... .

E=Empathy: If I was bored and lonely, and thought my feelings were being ignored, I would be upset too... .

T=Truth: I just needed to pick up a few items and it was the quickest thing to do on my way home from work. I wanted to get home as soon as possible and hang out with you and grandson... .

Something like that? In the first exchange (in your first post) you mention that you had told her (about the 4th of July) that you meant what you said, nothing more nothing less. Was there a way to validate her feelings about feeling like she was playing 2nd fiddle to her upcoming neice/nephew, without promising to take her out for the 4th of July no matter what?

S=Support: I know that you and grandson want to go out to the 4th of July fireworks... .

E=Empathy: I think that would be fun! I would love to go, too!

T=Truth: If all goes well, and the new baby doesn't come that day, it should all work out fine.

Then (if she rebels with hurt feelings):

S=Support: I can understand that you feel like the new baby is coming before you and grandson... .

E=Empathy: If I felt that I was playing 2nd fiddle, it would upset me, too.

T=Truth: There's really not a lot I can do about it, though. I need to be there for the birth, and no one can tell a newborn when to make their entrance... .

The thing to remember when using Validation and S.E.T. is to never J.A.D.E.: Do not Justify yourself, Argue the point, Defend yourself or Explain yourself. Now, you did follow that advice when you refused to engage the arguments, but I'm wondering if you forgot to add the S.E.T.? Without the Support, Empathy and Truth (as you see it, reasonably), not engaging can just inflame our loved one's emotions because they feel like they aren't being heard or taken seriously.

My scripts above are just ideas to follow; you know your daughter better than I do    so maybe you'd word them differently. You should know her buttons, and S.E.T. and Validation can help you stop pushing them... . What do you think?  Being cool (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2014, 04:18:20 PM »

Rapt Reader,

I think you are right, I did not use S.E.T. and I have used it successfully in the past. I am still pretty new to these tools and I do forget and get all caught up in the situation. I also did not properly validate her feelings so she spiraled out of control quickly. I know she is worried that the new baby will take the place of her son in my life, and I have tried to re-assure her that will never happen, he's my guy... . a little silly thing we have been saying he was about 2. She acts  like it's no big deal, but I know she worries about that. The baby is only one possible thing that could happen to spoil the fun, I also care for my elderly father who has health problems. He fell one day last week and was injured, so there is that scenario too. I do see where I made some mistakes and need to practice  a little more, but hopefully in time it will just become natural. Thank you for taking the time, your advice has been helpful.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2014, 07:08:00 PM »

Thank you tristesse and Rapt Reader for posting this!

Your detailed post helped me really see how I can use S.E.T. to validate my BPDD too.  I get the basic idea of S.E.T., but your post reminds me it is easier said than done, especially in the heat of the moment.  It is so much easier to see how good/bad dynamics work with someone else's situation, so thank you for sharing yours!  I know I get too emotionally drawn in when those BPD moments happen with my DD and I can't see a way to handle the situation better when I'm in it.  Rapt Reader, your wonderful, clear reply was soo helpful!  I appreciate you taking the time to describe the actual language of S.E.T. 

Thank you!

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2014, 09:24:52 PM »

@healingspirit, I agree, rapt reader gives very clear descriptive examples. It was amazing how simple it sounds but how difficult it really is. I am learning daily thanks to the support I have found here.
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2014, 06:35:56 PM »

First off, congrats on the upcoming grandchild. Second, I thought you handled the exchange wonderfully, I didn't think you needed to clarify anything.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2014, 03:23:29 PM »

@healingspirit, I agree, rapt reader gives very clear descriptive examples. It was amazing how simple it sounds but how difficult it really is. I am learning daily thanks to the support I have found here.

It really can be difficult sometimes, tristesse, but I promise you that once we can use it successfully--no matter how clumsily or tentatively at first  --the improvement in our BPD loved one's reactions to us, and the improvement in their behaviors towards us, will give us the motivation and positive reinforcement to continue. That improvement serves as a reminder to do it the next time, and the next... . It's not always the "magic wand" that we would like it to be, but S.E.T. has truly turned my conversations with all of my BPD loved ones (especially my BPD son) into better, happier experiences. I'm glad the examples were helpful... .

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