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« on: January 05, 2015, 11:31:14 AM »

New Year, old situation, same problems. So my wife is back (well never left the thought process really) of need to find a differtn job or career for herself. Sh eis back and forth with this porgram or that program. She knows 1 thing... she hates curretn job. I rather liek my job very much. Its my safe place. However I am tempted to apply to a new one that would pay enough to support us without her having to work. To say "There now you don't get to complain about hating your job!" But I know that won't fix anything. That job means to relocate again.  I hate this I really really hate this!
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2015, 01:21:29 PM »

Cipher,

Happy new year!   Smiling (click to insert in post)

You said, "I am tempted to apply to a new one that would pay enough to support us without her having to work. To say "There now you don't get to complain about hating your job!" But I know that won't fix anything."

You're right, it wouldn't fix anything b/c she would definitely find or invent something else to complain about.  So when you consider applying for a new job, my advice to you is not to think about how it would prevent your wife from complaining, or in general, don't think of it in terms of how it might "cure" certain BPD symptoms because you can't cure any of it.  If you want to apply for the new job for your own benefit and believe it is consistent with your long-term career goals, I would suggest discussing the idea with your wife the same way you would with a mentally healthy spouse since the job change would affect you both.  Then make a decision from there.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2015, 01:35:35 PM »

While it's advisable to have finances that don't require dual earners to survive, at the same time, in your case, she's been trying to get you out of that job for ages.  And you like your job.  She doesn't like she doesn't have access (ie - control) when you're there, so she wants you somewhere she can perceive she does have control.  Under these circumstances, if it were me, I'd not switch jobs unless it's a great opportunity for you and one that you will enjoy as much as you do.  

Make your decisions based on not what just benefits her, but you too.  It's okay for you both to benefit.  It's okay for her to benefit as long as it's not really requiring you to sacrifice something that you shouldn't.  I firmly believe some sacrifices you should be willing to make for a spouse.  Some you shouldn't.  Based on the information in the post, it sounds to me like this is one that if you don't want to make it, then you are justified in saying no to her.

It's obvious you don't want to relocate either.  The only thing I'd say about that is if you could work a job relocation back to local to your family.  Beyond that, if you like where you're at, be careful not to let her exert this type of control.  It will not satisfy her.  It will only embolden her and make things worse.  That's what it did with my uPDxw.



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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2015, 01:23:15 PM »

I had an awakening of sorts in the middle of the night. Even when things are going "ok" with us I still want to leave. Because I know that is temporrary based on her mood not my mood.  And the things that I do that set her off are not anywhere near the severity she claims or complains about how ai am "always" this or that.  That wasn't the break through.

A lot of people here have asked me a one word question... ."why?"  The big question is why do I stay?  or why do I put up with it?   Is it fear, FOG what?   Then it hit me. Even if the situation is the worst of the worst (aside from violence, thats the "no go" I stay becasue I know she can't take care of herself $ wise and emotionally and with day to day stuff. Because she helped nurture that trait I have always had. I fell for it. Now I day dream on wining the loto so I can use that as a means to leave. Meaning I can't leave her without a good sum of money to make sure she is ok.    Soemthign is wrong with that on some level isn't it?

 
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2015, 02:41:58 PM »

A lot of people here have asked me a one word question... ."why?"  The big question is why do I stay?  or why do I put up with it?   Is it fear, FOG what?   Then it hit me. Even if the situation is the worst of the worst (aside from violence, thats the "no go" I stay becasue I know she can't take care of herself $ wise and emotionally and with day to day stuff. Because she helped nurture that trait I have always had. I fell for it. Now I day dream on wining the loto so I can use that as a means to leave. Meaning I can't leave her without a good sum of money to make sure she is ok.    Soemthign is wrong with that on some level isn't it? huh

Sounds to me like a combination of feeling guilt and obligation towards her.

Here's where my T would point out something, where you say she can't take care of herself, replace that with won't.  The fact is as adults, we all can do just fine by ourselves.  It really is a choice to do so or not.  Therefore, it's a matter of if someone will or won't do it.  Not can't.

You can't help someone that won't help themselves.  If they won't take care of themselves as a healthy adult should, you're escalating efforts only amount to enabling.  Sometimes the thing that ends being the most help to them is to leave and not be a their target anymore.  That way they are forced to figure out something else for their well being.  They might just go find another victim, but it won't be you.  And they just might eventually figure out how to take more responsibility for their own care.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2015, 06:27:14 PM »

This may sound harsh, but she to date, she has shown that she can take care of herself.

She hooked up with you and got you to support her.

If you leave, isn't she likely to repeat the process as fast as she can with somebody new?

Like waddams says, what you are seeing is that she won't take care of herself.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2015, 11:45:39 AM »

I can see now she is tryign to use guilt that would normally tug at me. I have to go out of town on another work trip. She is livid. I told her about a month ago. She has been looking for a new job another state again. I kind of said I would try to also. Eventhough I didn't want to. I applied to a couple but didn't really want them. Today she emailed me saying I agreed to it and thats final.

We were able to get through it the last time without any issues. Well major issues. There are always issues if you are held hostage to remain on skype fromtehtime you are done working until you fell asleep.
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2015, 02:47:01 PM »

There are always issues if you are held hostage to remain on skype fromtehtime you are done working until you fell asleep.

Excuse me but... .

YOU ARE NOT A HOSTAGE.

Tell her that you will contact her once (or perhaps twice) a day while you are gone.

Then do it.
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2015, 10:00:53 AM »

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I kind of said I would try to also. Eventhough I didn't want to. I applied to a couple but didn't really want them. Today she emailed me saying I agreed to it and thats final.

Cipher, I struggle with this a lot too, but the wishy washy-ness causes more problems than it solves.  I get saying "I'll try" and basically having an inner, unspoken intention to not actually succeed.  In the moment, it seems like a good idea when confronted with the emotional person badgering you for something you don't want to do.  Basically, tell them what they want to hear, and then later be able to say "I tried, but it didn't work.  Nothing I can do about it."  In our minds, we think that they won't have a leg to stand on to get angry about it again later.  

But that's just not true.  There will be drama about it later.  And here's why - when we do the wishy washy thing, we aren't living true to ourselves, and it's going to come out.  We'll be bitter and resentful about it, and it will affect our behavior.  We also just seem weaker, and when they sense weakness, they pounce.  You come off as stronger and more assertive if you just state up front "no i wont' do that" or "I'm going to do this".  And stay away from the word "can't".  Can't implies less choice.  We always have choice.  It's always "I won't" or "I will".  It's more assertive.

And be prepared for the anger and the attack on the new assertiveness.  It sets a boundary and she will try to break it down.  You have to hold it, no matter how hard she tries to break it down.  And if you hold for a while, and then give in when she escalates really bad, all that teaches her is the level of aggression she has to go to break you.  She'll go straight to that level of intensity in the future.  So you have to hold the boundary no matter what.

Case in point, I'll use a recent example:  I'd been thinking about buying a .22lr caliber plinking rifle and teaching my son how to shoot.  I'm interested in getting into hunting and having my son along side as a father/son thing.  SO, in her prior marriage, had been threatened with being shot, the kids being shot, etc. by her PDxH.  She has this strong emotional reaction to anything firearm related.  I had decided not to buy the rifle as I had other expenses and it didn't really fit in the budget, but not because of her issues.  I had told her this.  She interpretted it though as I was doing what she told me to, and just not admitting it.

Well, for Xmas, my dad passed on my grandfather's .22lr rifle to me.  Totally out of the blue.  My grandfather taught my dad and uncle to shoot on it, and when he was backwoods TN, that rifle put a lot of rabbits in the pot to feed their family.  It's a sentimenal heirloom thing, but I let SO know (she wasn't present at the time), and she got super pissed at me for "going back on my word" and "not respecting her".

In the past, I might have tried to come up with way of playing all sides, but this time, I simply stated I'd said I didn't buy one due to budget, not because I'd agreed not to get one for her, then told her I'm keeping the rifle and I'm going to clean it up as it hadn't been fired or cleaned in 40+ years, then teach my son to shoot on it, and start going to the small game hunting instructional events at the local state parks here with him.  The words "those were not my words" came out of my mouth several times.  

I did tell her how to keep it safe (take the bolt out and lock it up!), and it would be kept like that.  She wants no ammo in the house, etc.  I've simply told her no, I have an ammo box for my pistol ammo that stays locked, inside a locked footlocker. The bolt, ammo, etc. will all stay locked up safe.  I simply won't allow her to tell me I can't do something I have an interest in if it doesn't involve and isn't hurting her.  

This was 3 weeks ago.  She's just now starting to talk to me again and be affectionate.  In the process, I never yelled back, I never retaliated, I've made sure to be affectionate and loving to her, even when she was being a real b*tch to me.  I just kept my distance when she was being ugly and reduced my target profile basically so she couldn't "score a hit" so to speak and otherwise stayed good to her.  

In the end, it's a control thing.  She has a fear rooted in a prior trauma that's very real, and it's triggering her.  At the same time, her trigger has nothing to do with me, and I'm not going to let her acting out behaviors cause any kind of issue in me where I don't live true to myself.  I'm guilty of that in so many ways in the past, and it's only cause more problems later when I've allowed it to happen.  It doesn't mean her feelings and emotions don't matter, but you don't have to sacrifice your own wants either.  

I'm as hard headed as anyone in figuring this out, but these situations really do require being willing to take what they dish out in order to not be controlled.  Eventually, they will either learn your trustworthy if you stay consistent, weather the storm the bring, and still be good to them, or they'll decide, in their minds, you don't respect them or any number of other rationalized justifications that turn into painting you black, and they'll leave.  

You still have live true to yourself first, within the boundaries of not hurting anyone else.  If you let them scare you or guilt you into doing otherwise, all it does is set up more conflict down the road.  The sooner you put your foot down and set and maintain boundaries no matter how she attacks them, the better for you, and for her.  In the end, she wants a strong person to feel safe with.  But she also has issues with developing that trust.  In order for it to happen, you have to be strong and kind at the same time, even when she's being horrible to you.  She won't respect you until you assert yourself and maintain it (in a kind and loving manner of course, but also in a firm and no nonsense manner).
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2015, 04:52:59 PM »

What he said!

Seriously, Waddams, that was an awesome post, thanks for putting that out there. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2015, 04:30:39 AM »

I just want to echo that the post from Waddams is awesome. Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

Cipher13 there's nothing I can add to it so my advice is, print it out and put it somewhere safe and read it often. Smiling (click to insert in post)  It encapsulates a fantastic example of how to live your life within a relationship with someone who has BPD and remain true to yourself and uphold your personal boundaries.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2015, 05:27:21 AM »

Thanks fo rthat post Waddams that was great. It also touched a nerve in a good way in that I have fond memories hunting and target shooting with my dad. He and other family members and friends still have a weekend grouse hunt they plan at the cabin. I haven't gone in over a decade. I really miss it. Your post has given me a lot to think about. Again thank you for posting that. I hope you and your son have years of enjoyment with that gun. .22LR was my first introduction to shooting guns. We would go to my grandfather farm where we built a outdoor range. Then when I got older the guns got a little bigger and we also shot clays there. Super great memory. Thanks again Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2015, 11:34:23 AM »

THIS!

He and other family members and friends still have a weekend grouse hunt they plan at the cabin. I haven't gone in over a decade. I really miss it.

When is the next one happening? Can you plan on going?

That kind of change is the best kind of thing you can do for your marriage!
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