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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: December 07, 2016, 08:58:04 AM »

Hi, I have been in a relationship with this man for 13 years, the last four of which he lived with me. He had a stressful job and I put his somewhat irrational behaviour down to this and felt when he retired this would be resolved. I was totally wrong. He came to live in my property and everything was negative, he hated where we lived the area, the place we lived in and the people. He criticised my family calling them disfunctional, which they are not, they are just normal and he ranted and shouted for no apparent reason. The slightest thing seemed to upset him, and seemed to think the world had to revolve around him. He was always threatening to leave, packing suitcases and then putting everything back and acting as though nothing had happened. On the last occasion he booked a B and B and I took his key away and told him he couldn't come back. Since then he has weeks when he wants to be in a relationship and the next week he doesn't. I have tried to distance myself from him as I know my health was suffering as I was walking on eggshells every day never knowing when he would start ranting and losing his temper. He knows there is something wrong but says he is ok now and won't seek help. I am pretty certain he has BPD. My problem is that I still care about him and want him to get help. Even though I don't contact him he is still sending me text and emails about irrelevant things like the news etc. I can't understand why or how he is feeling. Does this mean he still cares about me? Do BPD's have feelings and empathy for others? How is he feeling about our relationship ending? It's several months now but I still feel tied to him by an invisible cord. To everyone else he appears to be a happy, outgoing guy and I don't think my friends realise what he did and how hurt I am. Any advice please.
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2016, 09:36:57 AM »

On the last occasion he booked a B and B and I took his key away and told him he couldn't come back. Since then he has weeks when he wants to be in a relationship and the next week he doesn't. I have tried to distance myself from him as I know my health was suffering as I was walking on eggshells every day never knowing when he would start ranting and losing his temper.

Hi Alice!

Not an unusual story by any means.

Are you feeling that you want to help him and possibly rekindle the relationship.

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2016, 11:51:09 AM »

After 13 years in what I now realise was an abusive relationship, I still care about him and want to help him to get well. Is it possible that he could improve with help or am I clutching at straws. I can't move on. I need to know how a BPD feels after a long relationship ends and how he feels about me. Also why does he texts me about irrelevant things, but not personal things if you see what I mean. It's as though he is afraid to talk about things that are important. He blows hot and cold from week to week.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2016, 09:10:29 PM »

Hi Amelia Alice, and welcome to BPD family. Your experience sounds very familiar and thirteen years is a very long time to be in a relationship with someone. It's difficult breaking those ties for that reason alone, but even worse if they keep contacting you. I can relate as my ex has never stopped contacting me. I understand the confusion it causes, wondering if they still care and it makes moving on so difficult. You say he instigates all the contact. Do you always respond?  People with BPD don't like to lose their 'attachments' and maybe he is comforted by you still being there. His contact may be about soothing his feelings. I also still care for my ex and want him to get well. As far as improving goes I believe it is possible for some pwBPD, but very difficult and can take a very long time. Would he be willing to try therapy do you think?
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 12:17:02 AM »

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To everyone else he appears to be a happy, outgoing guy and I don't think my friends realise what he did and how hurt I am. Any advice please.

They don't because they aren't close enough to trigger engulfment and abandonment fears; only when a PWBPD gets close enough to someone do they start to hurt (devalue) them in order to push them away to sooth their fear of engulfment, then they pull them back to sooth their fear of abandonment. The push/pull tears us to pieces, decimates our self esteem and confidence.
Only people who have lived what we have can fathom it.
My advice to you is to do what you really feel is best for YOU.
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2016, 02:45:43 AM »

Thanks Larmoyant and Lovenature for replying. He says he is ok now (which I know he isn't by his mood swings). I know that he won't get help.I've avoided seeing him for a couple of months but, I know this sounds silly, but I feel worse for not seeing him. We split up seven months ago and I still feel really bad. I need to known if BPD's feel any remorse for what they've done as he has never apologised and blames his environment, my apartment, the area we lived etc. for his bad behaviour. I just want to try to get into his head to see if he still has feelings for me or if this texting is just to keep in contact with me and if that's the case then why? I do try not to reply but sometimes, well mostly, I do. Is this good or bad? We live in a small community and it's very difficult to avoid him and I know I must move on - but I don't seem to be able to. I need to know why he blows hot and cold, what is going on in his head when he rejects me. Also he says that he can't remember saying things - is this a trait of BPD's? Thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2016, 05:12:27 AM »


Hi Amelia Alice,

I would like to join the others in welcoming you here.

We all know how hard it is to get over a relationship like this. Because of the push-pull cycles and how used to we got to those, there is often an on-going feeling of incompleteness. This lack of resolution, or closure, can leave us in a state of confusion and limbo. Not knowing if things we experienced were real or meant the same to the other person as to us is very hard.

I need to known if BPD's feel any remorse for what they've done as he has never apologised and blames his environment, my apartment, the area we lived etc. for his bad behaviour.

This is pretty typical behaviour, I am sorry to say. It is always someone else's fault. BPDs might know deep down that they are somehow damaged and the common denominator in all their close relationships. They might recognize that there is a pattern and have moments of insight into themselves. The thing is, these recognitions are very painful and link in to the deep sense of shame that is felt, which will lead to a self-protective move of blaming things on someone or something else.

With my own ex, the remorse came and went. It seemed deep and genuine at times but never lasted long enough to get past the "I'm a terrible person, I told you so right at the start" to actually try to fix any of the underlying issues.   I very rarely got anything like an apology, just the quick move from "It's your fault" to "I'm evil / sick / rotten to the core" and then back to "It's your fault". I was, for a long time, taken by the admission and remorse that I saw and thought that I could 'work' with it. It was only when I realised that the pattern was that the feeling, whatever it was, would never last for very long, that I realised there was no way to move forward with something like that.

So, yes, there can be remorse, but what good is it to anyone if it is not used to change the situation? That requires honesty, hard work, and courage. You have more of that than a person with BPD.

I just want to try to get into his head to see if he still has feelings for me or if this texting is just to keep in contact with me and if that's the case then why?

We can't get inside anyone's head and know why they do things. However, it is also an established fact that pwBPD have a very hard time letting go of attachments and try to hang on to them, no matter how toxic or unstable or hurtful these relationships are. Many members here, myself included, struggle with this for a long time because we don't understand this fact and interpret the continued contact to mean something deeper.

I do try not to reply but sometimes, well mostly, I do. Is this good or bad? We live in a small community and it's very difficult to avoid him and I know I must move on - but I don't seem to be able to.

It depends on how the communication makes you feel and what it does to the inside of your head. If it confuses and hurts you, when do you decide that you've had enough?

I was able to make that decision for myself only once I realised that I was getting nothing positive any more. I also saw that neither was my ex. But at that stage, I also understood that I could not do anything to help him, I could only try to help myself.

I need to know why he blows hot and cold, what is going on in his head when he rejects me. Also he says that he can't remember saying things - is this a trait of BPD's? Thanks.

He blows hot and cold because he both desperately needs and is terrified of an attachment. That is the root of the behaviours associated with BPD.

And, yes, not being able to remember saying or doing things is a frequent feature. Sometimes that is true, other times it is a lie.

All these things make 'moving on' hard.

You might find this workshop helpfulf: https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=95860.0


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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2016, 10:44:20 AM »

Thanks for your detailed reply VitaminC. It's helpful to know that his behaviour is typical of BPD. For years I have made excuses for him, pressure of work etc, until he took early retirement and came to live with me when things escalated. I am trying to distance myself from him and move on but, even though I know he is bad for me - in fact positively toxic, I somehow can't. I feel that I need to know if he still cares about me and if he regrets our breakup. Stupid I know. I also feel that I want him to feel the hurt that I feel. Do you think he does or are BPD's without feelings which we understand? Thanks again it helps to know I'm not alone.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2016, 09:04:58 AM »

I also feel that I want him to feel the hurt that I feel. Do you think he does or are BPD's without feelings which we understand?

people with BPD experience the same emotions we all do, but with a great deal of intensity, to the point of distortion, coupled with limited ability to regulate emotions or impulses. these feelings may change rapidly as well. it can all be very confusing to us.

it is fair to say that we are, at least less than we tend to think we are, often not on the same page with our partners. he is and has experienced things "differently".

hope this helps!
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2016, 04:58:25 PM »

I'm still confused. what I'm asking is why is he texting me? Does it mean he still cares? Does he want to be in a relationship with me? It's been seven months since we broke up and his texts are about mundane things such what's in the news, nothing personal, no clues as to what he is thinking. Why do BPD's want to keep in contact with an ex when there is no hope of ever getting back together? I just wish I could block all thoughts of him.  He treated me so badly for over 13 years so why am I so obsessed with him. I keep thinking that maybe I'm afraid of being along as I could never have a relationship with anyone else because I will always care for him, it would feel as though I was cheating on him. How pathetic is that?
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2016, 10:59:52 PM »

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Why do BPD's want to keep in contact with an ex when there is no hope of ever getting back together? I just wish I could block all thoughts of him.  He treated me so badly for over 13 years so why am I so obsessed with him. I keep thinking that maybe I'm afraid of being along as I could never have a relationship with anyone else because I will always care for him, it would feel as though I was cheating on him. How pathetic is that?

A PWBPD keeps in contact with an ex. to maintain an attachment; they usually have a history of failed relationships, and want to have enough attachments available to avoid being alone.

What you describe is not pathetic, it is what we non's have lived; we spent so much time trying to make a relationship work with a mentally ill partner, someone who distorts reality to fit their current emotion of the moment. Our perception of actual reality got turned upside down, once you are out long enough you will be able to see clearly, and not want to return to the craziness.
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