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« on: November 17, 2024, 05:33:49 AM »

This is breaking my heart. Again. But she’s gotta go! The arguing with false information, the assuming knowing what I’m about to say and then arguing with that information- and my not being able to shut her up long enough to tell her she cannot read my mind and isn’t psychic and therefore is trying to argue with faulty “facts;” the topics she’ll freely discuss around her siblings- without a thought about how maybe it’s inappropriate. Getting my hopes up that she’s out of her room and coming to me- only to find out it’s because “mommy- can I borrow the car?” (Which no, she cannot, because I don’t know where she’s actually going because of the lies.) only to be let down by the sudden mood flips. I want off this ride!!

We love her so much, but do we really even know who she is!?  She’s had a psychotic break recently and went to the hospital for 22 days- convinced me she was going to talk to me and stuff when she got back/ that she was all better. She is still going on and on about her step-grandpa doing witchcraft and having alters etc. I just about 9@.9% dokt believe any of all that.shes convinced her friends mom is doing witchcraft against him too.  That her siblings dislike her because of the witchcraft and because of course, I’m evil and have always been hell-bent on making them “hate her as much as I do” (not my words).

I want off this ride!!! My fear is that she’ll go back to being an escort. She loves to remind me that she was gang raked and pumped last time we made her move out- and how it’s all my fault. It’s the company she keeps, if that’s true even, and not st all my fault!

She is so intelligent. (Age 22) she is funny, and can be sweet I guess. She loves her siblings in her way, but this is chaos. Helll



 
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2024, 05:36:04 AM »

Oh and another fear is that she’ll be strung out on drugs. Frustrated/Unfortunate (click to insert in post) completely homeless.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2024, 10:43:18 PM »

Oh Gubblebum what an awful place to be in! Of course so many of us here are dealing with similar stuff but it seems that your situation is at crisis point now.

Can I ask whether DD has been self medicating? Just wondering about the psychosis - and indeed whether there are still some elements of psychosis happening. I gather DD was quite unwell - 22 days is quite a long time these days for someone to stay for treatment.

I gather this is not the first time you have had to draw a line and asked DD to leave. What happened in that instance ie did she have anywhere particular to go/did she keep in contact during that time etc? Is DD on any meds since being in hospital and is there follow up?

It doesn't sound as though DD is stable and I can absolutely understand the dilemma you face. The situation as it is is unbearable and the only option ie DD leaves, is heart-breaking.


The chaos of BPD.

Thinking of you and your family . . .
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2024, 03:03:23 PM »


Can I ask whether DD has been self medicating? Just wondering about the psychosis - and indeed whether there are still some elements of psychosis happening. I gather DD was quite unwell - 22 days is quite a long time these days for someone to stay for treatment.

I gather this is not the first time you have had to draw a line and asked DD to leave. What happened in that instance ie did she have anywhere particular to go/did she keep in contact during that time etc? Is DD on any meds since being in hospital and is there follow up?

It doesn't sound as though DD is stable and I can absolutely understand the dilemma you face. The situation as it is is unbearable and the only option ie DD leaves, is heart-breaking.

Gosh I really should have checked my spelling and typos. And the mood I was in when I typed. I sound heartless in that first post but I was just in the throes of the downswing. Or is it an upswing—or another wor— When they’re angr, irritable and (for my dd) paranoid/suspicious?also, I almost forgot I posted here until I saw the email! Oops

Thank you for the reply and understanding, for not slapping my wrist for the way I talked about her and our situation. To answer your questions:

K smokes marijuana when she can get it. Street, and dispo. She says it calms her mind and helps her physical pain—and that I should “mom… get off webmd. marijuana is not going to exacerbate delusions or paranoia, I was just manic, it’ll be fine.” One of her favorite phrases, I bet that’s a common one here, huh? “It’ll be fine.” She does enjoy other drugs quite a bit, and od’d on fentanyl last December. She also sometimes took too much of her adderall. I knew, but there wasn’t anything I could do at the time. She stopped taking it a few days before she went into treatment - probably because she was climbing the mania/psychosis roller coaster. This was her first time. It was scary to see. She got to the point she was telling the police there was something in the shed they needed to check, was completely convinced we were all doing dark magic against each other, she was tearing apart my other kids rooms to prove it. She’d find the simplest thing and proclaim it evil and proof. Frustrated/Unfortunate (click to insert in post)

The more I read, it’s fairly common for those with bpd to also have schizophrenic tendencies? It’s like somewhere in her brain, she was trying to make all of her life problems not her fault- you know? Like she can’t see her son because her ex is doing witchcraft  on her son and against her. She can’t get along with the siblings because I’m a covert narcissist who has trained them not to like her. (I’m so not hehe)from my pov it seems like the bpd makes it impossible for her to truly admit to herself and much less to us, that anything is because of her own actions. It makes sense in an abstract way.

Yes, we’ve had to give her a 30 day eviction notice before, due to her attitude toward me (hugs for moms here, which led to a lot of yelling. We knew she didn’t have much of a place to go but she’d found a friend online whom she decided to live in with. I didn’t know it was allegedly a pim. I want to trust her but the track record, you know? And she’s done that sort of work before, but this one bothered her. She did stay in contact somewhat- enough for her to tell me she needed help moving out of there to another girls house. This woman’s landlord was always stopping by and didn’t want k there because the woman was always late on rent, so K was living in a state of paranoia constantly looking over her shoulder. Sooo against everyone e else’s wishes, I let her come back with the rules that she works on getting disability and helps around the house.  And a few other rules.

Yes she’s on seroquel at bedtime and she got a month-long shot of something when she left too. There are two other meds she’s supposed to have too, but insurance wants prior authorization and they’re taking their time.  Follow up is in a month. Ugh! Her doc is aware of her situation and isn’t giving her adderal,  which I think is great! I hope she can’t get it somewhere else because she’ll just doctor hop.

I just can’t imagine her ever getting fully stable financially, mentally- even physically- if we just throw her on the street essentially. I’m not surprised there aren’t more options for people like her. They are people!

On that note- the last 2-3 days have been nice. How can they be so neurotypical sometimes and then complete monsters at other times. It’s these sweet moments she confides in me and asks me to move back in, I get weak and give in. Idk if I mentioned it but we are a family of 8 and I’m the only person who’s ok with her staying. Sigh. And that’s probably because I’m a pushover. Of maybe just a mom?  

Thanks again, I know- this is a lot to take on and reply to, feel free to take your time Smiling (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2024, 07:11:00 PM »

Hi Gubblebum
Yes just a mum. It is such a different role - different relationship to the child. If you are like me you get flashbacks of the times your heart melted at what they say or do. It is a different perspective and it makes the current situation so much more difficult, so much more painful and exhausting - and especially in a family of 8!

The thing with BPD is the 'borderline' word. I think - and I am not sure here - but that title was given because the individual was sort of 'on the border' between reality and psychosis. In my experience I see my DD telling everyone all these things that have never happened, about me and about herself. I see this as crossing the 'border' into unreality. Try as I have, she doesn't seem to be able to come to agree that these things didn't happen.

The other thing in my personal experience is that marijuana is the substance of choice to ease the distress and chaos of their personal emotional turmoil. There are two problems with this: one is that the number of people developing schizophrenia linked to marijuana use is increasing - now at about 8%, which is pretty high.

The second problem is that if someone mixes with users of marijuana the likelihood of using other stuff increased. My DD got into speed, ended up not being able to sleep and in hospital. She was on seroquel and other meds when she was discharged.

After a while I realised the pattern of nice/awful was connected to substance use and withdrawal. I am wondering if you can observe and see if there is a pattern for your DD? The difference it made in my case was that I could predict when things were going to be tough.

It does sound like your DD is quite unwell, could be in pretty risky situations if on her own - and it's very, very challenging at home!

I am hoping the other meds are getting closer and you can see if they help at all. Do you know what DD's diagnosis is - or can you see what the meds they have prescribed are used for? It may be that schizophrenia  - or these tendencies  - are in the mix with BPD?

Let me know if you can see any pattern - and what that looks like.
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