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« on: February 08, 2025, 08:18:28 PM »

Hi. I am sure I found this board just like the rest of you - searching for answers and support.

I have a 19 yr old (almost 20) daughter who was diagnosed with BPD approx 1 1/2 yrs ago. She has always been challenged with emotional disregulation . Through Covid we had lots of depression and suicidal thoughts. This has spiraled from there and now so very very textbook BPD.

Because she didn’t have a proper diagnosis for a long time, she saw counsellors who were not very helpful. Now that we know she should be in a DBT program, she refuses to go as she doesn’t trust the system at all. And quite honestly I don’t blame her. There has been very little help offered even despite a 3 day psych hold. Zero recommendations or follow up.


Our biggest challenge is the rage and violent behaviour. Totally unpredictable and really really bad. Thousands of dollars++ damage to the house but also horribly threatening things that come out of her mouth. I might even be able to deal with that but the physical violence seems to be getting worse. I have been to the ER for a fractured hand. I have had multiple bruises, a black eye and a concussion over the past many months. Police have been called 4 times and 3/4 she was calm by the time they arrived and said ‘all the right things’ and they left. The violence is really only directed at me although she does yell at siblings. I can’t count on the fact that this will always be the case.

And then she smokes a joint and is calm and cheerful and moves on to be my happy girl while it takes me hours to calm down. Truly Jekyll and Hyde.

I am trying really hard to put boundaries in place but I don’t feel strong enough yet to deal with the horrific outcomes that will follow.

Two things keep going through my mind:
1) if she was literally anyone else in the world besides my baby, she would have been arrested and out of the house long ago. But I don’t know how to do that to my baby girl. I know it won’t  end well.

2) This can’t continue.

So many other layers as I am sure you all know. I am looking forward to being in an environment where people understand and don’t just say “be the parent and tell her this isn’t acceptable”. Thanks for listening.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2025, 10:33:14 PM »

Hello and welcome Mars!

You don't say if your daughter is working a job or is in school. Is she dependent upon living with you or can she move out?

I've been there, also with a daughter that did property damage and got physical.  My daughter is now 27 and lives with her boyfriend,  but would never be able to live with me again because she still exhibits these behaviors.

From what I read in your post, I am concerned about your emotional and physical safety. Your other children are at risk too. It's hard when they are our daughters, but she needs to be in treatment in order to live with you. You matter, too.

Regards,
Murmom
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2025, 07:38:49 AM »

Thanks. Agreed. I’m just still working on the challenge of what has to happen and the fear of what will happen when I follow through.

She is not working and so has zero way to support herself. She is technically supposed to attend college in September. I want to be hopeful but with no treatment I don’t know that will work.

On paper I know all the things. I just see her ending up on the streets or dead if I try to enforce some of the boundaries that need to be put in place. It feel like an impossible situation. I am 3 weeks into a family connections program so want to learn some more of the skills before doing anything drastic. And I am working on acceptance of the fact that she is an adult and responsible for her decisions now. I am offering her all the things but she has to be willing to do the work.
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2025, 11:50:39 AM »

I hear you on coming to terms with accepting what could happen.

My daughter is currently in jail for charges relating to DV and violating a no contact order TWICE. This is a DV charge related to her bf. She is in jail and I am not bailing her out. I bailed her out 5 years ago on the same charge.  I guess it's still not easy to accept the consequences of their actions, but I  feel less of a pull to intervene this time. So progress, I guess.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2025, 02:18:18 PM »

She is not working and so has zero way to support herself. She is technically supposed to attend college in September. I want to be hopeful but with no treatment I don’t know that will work.

On paper I know all the things. I just see her ending up on the streets or dead if I try to enforce some of the boundaries that need to be put in place. It feel like an impossible situation. I am 3 weeks into a family connections program so want to learn some more of the skills before doing anything drastic. And I am working on acceptance of the fact that she is an adult and responsible for her decisions now. I am offering her all the things but she has to be willing to do the work.

Hi Mars,

I was right where you are now when my stepdaughter was 19.  That seemed to be an age where she had adult freedoms and privileges, and yet she couldn't handle any adult responsibilities.  She had adult-sized problems, but emotionally, she wasn't ready to handle them at all.  She was bumping up against a world where she was expected to be an adult, and she failed miserably.  As she see-sawed between rage and despair, she made numerous self-sabotaging decisions.  She lost all her friends.  Alas, she became less functional than a kindergartener.  At least a kindergartener attends school, eats meals with the family, picks up toys, bathes daily and can say please and thank you.  My stepdaughter wouldn't do any of those things.  Worse, she'd self-medicate with marijuana, which fried her brain and sapped any motivation she might have had, as well as made her very paranoid and delusional.  It was the paranoia and delusional thinking that led to suicide attempts and landed her in the hospital a few times.

OK now I know you're hoping your daughter will go to school in September.  Right now it's only February.  My stepdaughter would be waiting for months on end like that:  expecting to go to school in the fall, but not doing anything AT ALL in the interim.  She was basically on an extended vacation, stewing, waiting, hating everyone full time.  You'd think she'd enjoy a vacation, but no, that's impossible with untreated BPD.  On the contrary, she experienced vacation in the sense that she completely vacated her life.  She gave up on everything, including herself.  That manifested as refusal to work, refusal to interact with family, sleeping all day and raging.  She was absolutely miserable, and she made the rest of the family miserable, too.  Let me tell you, if your daughter is doing nothing for months on end while refusing therapy, she WILL NOT be able to bounce back and be successful at college, no matter what she says or promises.  If she enrolls, and you pay tuition, you are setting her up to fail, and you will have wasted all that money you saved up.  Because if college is intense for normal students, it's an order of magnitude more difficult for someone with untreated BPD, who self-destructs in the face of mild stress and disappointments.  My advice would be not to throw away the tuition, like my husband did on his daughter, until your daughter demonstrates that she's ready.  She might demonstrate readiness by getting therapy, working a part-time job and maybe taking a course or two online.  Readiness might also look like respecting a normal daily routine, including getting up in the morning (consistently!), doing chores around the home, acting civilly with the family, attending therapy and volunteering.  In my opinion, ideal readiness would include working part-time to earn enough money to make a meaningful contribution to tuition, say 5% or 10%, plus money for books, so that she has "skin in the game" and won't drop out so easily.

I understand how hurt you are, and how you feel you can't kick your dear daughter out of your home.  My husband and I also felt that if my untreated BPD stepdaughter left the home without support, she'd soon be dead.  She was clearly unwell, and she wasn't thinking straight, as she'd make all sorts of self-destructive decisions.  She did experience a phase of bouncing from living situation to living situation, but invariably she'd mess up, burn her bridges and end up back at home with us.  And let me tell you, she was an emotional terrorist in our home, threatening suicide or attempting suicide if she didn't get what she wanted.  Worse, what she wanted was absolutely delusional--for example, she thought she'd be "discovered" as a top model, famous artist or internet influencer, but without putting in any work at all.  When nobody selected her for the runway, or when nobody purchased the one painting she made, she'd self-destruct, thinking her life was over (before it even started).  It was like she expected to be a quarterback at the Superbowl, rich and famous, the best amongst millions of aspiring football players, but without playing on the JV team in high school first.  The female equivalent would be to dream of being Taylor Swift, but giving up after taking one singing lesson.  Compounding this problem was a very tenuous, unstable sense of identity, which is a feature of BPD.  I think that doing nothing didn't help one bit, because when you do nothing, you end up feeling like nothing.

Anyway, my stepdaughter had to hit bottom before she decided to commit to DBT therapy.  And my husband had to give her an ultimatum:  either she follow doctors' orders and participate in recommended therapies, plus take any medications as prescribed, and do everything the doctors said (including stopping marijuana!), or else she'd be on her own.  The doctors also gave her an ultimatum:  since they had tried to help her but she refused the recommended treatments, there was nothing else they could do for her; if she attempted suicide again, she'd be involuntarily committed.  The good news is that she decided to do the recommended therapies, and she's doing much, much better now.  Since she had already tried and failed living on her own, and because she had burned all her bridges, I think her choice was an easy one.  One little point here:  I think my stepdaughter warmed up to the notion of getting professional help, because the advice was professional, rather than "tainted" parental wisdom (note the paranoia there); and because getting therapy validated her identity of being a traumatized victim, where only professional help can work.  And my husband liked this idea too, because nothing he had tried in the past to help his daughter had seemed to work. 

Now, if you can't let your daughter live on her own, you can decide to enforce healthy boundaries in your home, to protect you and the rest of the family.  I think that means if she's violent, you need to call 911.  That might land her in a residential therapy program, which it sounds like she needs.  Note that it might take more than one 911 call and one residential therapy program, because there's no quick fix to treating BPD.  But it is treatable, and I've seen living proof.  Moreover, I'd be more optimistic if treatment and intervention happened while your daughter is still young, so that she doesn't have to suffer needlessly for years on end, and while she can still count on you as an ally in her journey towards a healthier life.  I'm no expert, but that's my opinion, after seeing my stepdaughter make a great deal of progress in a relatively short time.  Yet I felt that her dysfunctional period of "waiting and hating" lasted longer than it should have.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2025, 02:27:36 PM »

Hi Mars
I really feel for you and your family - so many holes in the walls here etc etc and the physical violence against you - as the 'target of blame' - is really bad.

I'm also glad you mentioned the importance of an environment where people ‘don’t just say “be the parent and tell her this isn’t acceptable”. This was one of the most frustrating things for me. What is possible for one may not be possible for another individual with BPD.
My DD became very dependent on cannabis very quickly. There is no doubt in my mind that she functioned much better when using cannabis than when using other prescribed medications. The problem was the point of withdrawal – that was when things were much worse.
It became predictable: DD was okay when using – so that would be certain days of the week – then I would know that by Tuesday of the next week things would be bad. If I needed DD to agree to anything, I would choose my days!
I am just wondering if you can identify a pattern such as this?
The first time my DD went off cannabis – many years ago now – it was in order to get her licence back – it was a tough time for her. But I remember her saying ‘I don’t feel as angry’. She was surprised because there was no doubt using the cannabis helped her symptoms, but it also increased her anger when she had to go without.
The BPD journey with a loved child is a lonely one. I was feeling pretty desperate this morning when I read your post. Just knowing people are out there faced with a similar chaos and exhaustion was a help for me today.
When it is all overwhelming and there is no way forward, I find coming here is helpful because I don’t feel alone any more. It also reminds me to take any moment I can to focus on myself to try to unwind and regroup.
Thinking of you . . .
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2025, 08:59:16 PM »

Thanks for the responses. It’s funny because I don’t feel the same level of defensiveness when people who can understand tell me the things that I need to hear. I really do know that we are going to have to hit bottom before anything changes. That is absolutely terrifying for me.. I am in Ontario Canada and the system for calling 911 is so very frustrating because they won’t take her to the hospital under the mental health act unless she is suicidal. And she knows how to say the right things when police show up at the door so they leave her and then she is more angry because we called.. It will need to come to me having her arrested for assault and she will end up in jail and still not receive any help. . I have not had any luck in finding a residential treatment centre for BPD in Ontario. She did have one 3 day psych hold to ensure her safety - but there was no treatment involved. She saw 2 psychiatrists- one for admission and one for discharge and neither made any actual recommendations for help. Our family dr has not been successful in finding a psychiatrist who will take her on as an ongoing patient.  We have access to a DBT program that she can do but she is so frightened and let down by the system that she is not ready to agree to participate. I am doing my best at putting boundaries in place. She has told me that she will kill herself before she goes to treatment. I know that is likely just a controlling statement but it’s one that is super hard for me to gamble with.
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