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Author Topic: What's the use of calling it abuse?  (Read 10046 times)
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« Reply #90 on: May 26, 2026, 02:40:40 AM »

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But in my humble opinion, I think that deep down, pwBPD know full well that they are acting badly.  That's why the feel such deep SHAME, which is a huge feature of BPD.


CC43, your comments on shame are on the money. With uBPDx, the day after he cheated, he spent the entire day walking and walking without eating (and then came home and tried to deny what he had done, by retrospectively claiming we were not in a relationship). When I first told him that this wasn’t true and that his actions fit the definition of cheating, he nodded and said ‘sorry’ and seemed so ashamed he could not even lift his head.

Then, just over 2 weeks later and seemingly apropos of nothing, the lashing out began - accusations, word salad, demanding that I move out, etc.

It’s not really possible to logically reconcile uBPDx’s seemingly genuine deep regret for destroying his previous relationship through cheating, and his actions in our own relationship. But in emotional terms, it makes sense. uBPDx was able to emotionally paper over his previous misdeeds by telling a story to himself and others (me) that it was a special circumstance, his former partner’s fault for being ‘horrible’ and so on. I think when that story becoming unsustainable, the shame became unbearable and anything, to the point of treating me appallingly and telling desperate, stupid lies, became justified to him.

About two weeks after the cheating, and a few days before uBPDx started painting me black, we were talking about another situation. Someone being dishonest and seemed to live in two realities at once, both believing and disbelieving their own claims, even contradicting their own accusations at the same time as they were making them. I told uBPDx that I found this extremely destabilising. uBPDx looked at me with what seemed like great compassion and said, “Is it because of me?”

At the time, I didn’t understand. I didn’t know yet that he’d been lying to me, but he obviously did and it was preying on his mind. Which wouldn’t be the case if he was entirely incapable or not cognisant of his own actions.

There was another thing I might have mentioned before – uBPDx accused me of making him feel ‘guilty for existing’. I pointed out that a year ago, he had described another friend as making him feel ‘guilty for being alive’. He looked at me with hate and said, “Are you trying to make me feel guilty for wanting to kill myself”. Which is obviously nonsensical – pointing out that his mental health spirals were following a cycle, is not the same as trying to make him feel guilty for wanting to kill himself. These are two different things.

In this case, the reality – that he was mentally ill, that there was a problem in his own head, not just the outside world – that no-one else could save him from it – was completely intolerable to uBPDx. Blaming and projecting onto me was easier.

So to summarise, I believe uBPDx, and maybe many BPD people, know exactly what they are doing cognitively, but are unable to handle the truth emotionally because they don’t have the distress tolerance or other skills. The shame or awareness they have done wrong, or that they have responsibilities to fulfil that they don’t want to, feels like an assault to them. Lashing back feels like self-defence against the assault. Thus the projections, blame shifting, distortions of reality, etc.

But then, because they aren’t actually (for the most part) psychotic, they do know they are harming others tremendously. That their actions are bad and look bad to other people. Cue more intense shame. Which feeds into more desperate attempts to relieve shame. Which leads to more lashing out. And the cycle continues…

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If you went to the store to get a can of soup and it was the wrong brand by mistake- she'd feel you did it on purpose to upset you and she'd rage at you.

NotWendy, my mother was just the same! There was an incident in my childhood just like this but with fish, not soup.

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« Reply #91 on: May 26, 2026, 10:06:48 AM »

I look at this behavior through victim perspective and projection. I think in the moment, they feel as if someone or someone else is causing their distress, and they then feel justified in their defense or relaliation. So they have a sense of right or wrong but in the moment, they feel attacked.

I think most people who do have a sense of right/wrong would not deliberately do hurftul things but if they felt attacked- they may "fight back" in that context. The difference with a pwBPD is the situation and how it affects the other person. With my BPD mother, the smallest slight might trigger her and so her response would be out of proportion, and excessively punitive.

She was very exact in her requests. If you went to the store to get a can of soup and it was the wrong brand by mistake- she'd feel you did it on purpose to upset you and she'd rage at you. Sometimes one didn't know what it was that she was angry at.

Whatever her motive was, being raged at for something minor - that was experienced as abusive, whether or not she intended it to be, but in her disordered thinking she felt in the moment that we were abusing her.


It seems to me that as disordered as their thinking gets - and I agree they're not entirely all there when they perceive things in a way that makes them the victim somehow, and therefore justifies their rage about them - they're still overall aware of the fact that they're treating you this way and it's wrong, or unfair, or an aberration.  And the distinction I'd make is that they would not treat a stranger the same way (especially a stranger they wanted something from). 

That's why I'd make the distinction between the behavior of a schizophrenic and a BPD; I think we can excuse the former: they truly have no ability to control what they say and do.  a pwBPD does.  It's why I noticed when talking to other people she'd adopt this really fake tone and repeat platitudes she'd hear, as though like "oh, all us girls can understand how it is to have to deal with their husband and his annoying family"... but her behavior toward me and my family was absolutely uncalled for.  I would sometimes be surprised when I'd find old letters or cards they sent to her and see how unhinged her claims were that "everyone always hated her" as justifying her ongoing hostility toward them (and me when I'd defend them).

Whenever she got called out for this stuff, she'd react the same way, lies, anger, rage, etc. Or if she couldn't bully the other person, like the MC we saw for example - complete avoidance. 

She knew what she was doing; it might have been irrational, thinking she could completely control and dominate another person or persons like that, but she was still trying it.  I wouldn't say "she was unwell" because of this.  To me that excuses her behavior. 
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« Reply #92 on: May 26, 2026, 10:23:11 AM »

So to take it back to the original question in the thread, I think that's the use of calling it abuse. 

That defines it as intentional: it has a purpose, and that purpose is to terrorize another person or persons.  It can be physical abuse, emotional abuse, or verbal abuse, but it's all the same in the end, and has the same end goal of wearing the person down enough that over time they submit to the abuser's demands and put their needs first.  From the standpoint of the abuser, it's even more ideal if they can submit without needing to be told; they instinctively begin to understand what's expected of them. 

the label of BPD - whether diagnosed or not - may be misleading to focus on, since the traits of BPD, can be hapless or neutral.  If you read the diagnostic criteria of it on this site (link: https://bpdfamily.com/content/borderline-personality-disorder) there's nothing there about abusing others (the word itself only appears in the context of substance abuse by the pwBPD).  A person can have irrational and/or extreme emotional reactions to events, mood swings, etc. but whether they are also be manipulative and cruel is another issue.  Whether this is a result of comorbidity with another personality disorder like NPD or ASPD, or just normal human ego and id out-of-control because of BPD, I don't know.  But I think when you're in the unenviable position of having to live with someone like this, to focus on whether they're unwell, or what's wrong with them is ultimately just an academic question, when your first priority should be responding to their behavior, addressing it, not letting it overwhelm you (and your other family and kids if you have them). 
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« Reply #93 on: May 26, 2026, 12:01:18 PM »

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That's why I'd make the distinction between the behavior of a schizophrenic and a BPD; I think we can excuse the former: they truly have no ability to control what they say and do.  a pwBPD does.  It's why I noticed when talking to other people she'd adopt this really fake tone and repeat platitudes she'd hear, as though like "oh, all us girls can understand how it is to have to deal with their husband and his annoying family"... but her behavior toward me and my family was absolutely uncalled for.  I would sometimes be surprised when I'd find old letters or cards they sent to her and see how unhinged her claims were that "everyone always hated her" as justifying her ongoing hostility toward them (and me when I'd defend them).

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I wish there was still an edit button.  I meant in my case, my exW did these things. 

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