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« on: July 31, 2017, 07:25:03 PM »

My daughter and I went to 2 therapy sessions together, when I went back by myself the therapist said I think your daughter has BPD. I asked if she was sure and she said " pretty sure". I have read SWOES and a lot of the information on this site. It does seem to fit but I am not sure if I just accept this diagnosis. I really want to help my daughter and it seems the best way to do this is to change my behavior. There is a piece of me that wants to take her for all kinds of testing to see if its really true. If t is true should she know? I think it would be a hard diagnosis to accept about yourself.
I would like to know if your pwBPD knows and if so how that came to be.
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2017, 07:37:57 PM »

My potentially BP partner caught me reading a book on the subject one day (I'd been trying to do it discretely) and he was decidedly unimpressed. I got a bad reaction - mainly denial. He also accused me of trying to play doctor and diagnose him. You're in a stronger position there at least, since you have had a professional make that judgement. For me, I'm still at the stage where I have suspicions and he shows many of the traits. But he is not ready to accept or get help. From what I can tell from my own experience and everything I've read, it can be a difficult topic to broach and may not go the way you hope it will... .

I'd talk to the therapist about it, if I were you.

Good luck!
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2017, 05:43:56 AM »

Hi hopeful76

That is a great question you have asked and a good reply from Anne100.
I think talking to your therapist and also reading more will help you enormously.

I have 35 year old son, undiagnosed. We underwent therapy together, I initially thought he was suffering from ptsd. I had hoped that by seeking help for our damaged relationship, the counsellor would recognise that my son had some sort of problem, would tell him, he would get the help he needed and everything would return to 'normal'. How naive was I!
She had a few private sessions with my son but realised early on that she couldn't work with him and so concentrated her efforts on repairing the relationship. I did have a couple of sessions, just me, with her and when I asked her why she hadn't told him that he was ill, she said that she thought he would 'run', which was the last thing we wanted to happen. Our sessions finished when he moved to another country and that is when she told me she suspected BPD and she urged me to read up on it. I was full of hurt that the counsellor hadn't been able to do anything to help us and I felt that the time we'd spent with her had been wasted.
But now I see a different side to the story. I was all for letting my son know that he was ill, isn't that what any loving parent would do? But then I asked myself whether it would be the right thing to do. Yes, it would be great, the best scenario ever, he would get fixed and everything would be ok. But in the bigger picture I came to realise that my son being told what was potentially wrong with him could be catastrophic. I think it would hurt him far more than I could imagine. He is in denial that there is anything 'wrong' with him, this might sound weird, but he does know that something is wrong with him but not in that sense, he attributes his problems to us, his family, we are at fault, we are the ones with the problem, not him, and his solution is to remove himself from us.

You are a very caring mother and you have the ability to sense what it could feel like to be told such devastating news.

You have acknowledged that you are the one who needs to change as you see it as a way to help your daughter. I wish you well x
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2017, 04:55:00 PM »

Thank you Anne 100 and Feeling Better for your very caring responses. I have read your responses several times and will continue to read them. I know I have a lot to learn but in your responses I found comfort and I don't feel so alone. This journey isn't easy but I hope to find the gift in it all. When the therapist told me to read SWOES she also said my daughter can never see it. I will return to the  therapist for help sorting this all out. My thoughts are that perhaps it would be helpful for a therapist to let the BPD person know they have abandonment issues without putting a label or diagnosis on them. Not sure of anything just some thoughts coming from that place of wanting my daughter get help so she is not in so much pain.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 12:49:07 AM »

Hi hopeful76,

My husband was diagnosed with BPD at age 34.  I'd been with him for 4 years at the time.  Once he was diagnosed we recognised that a psychiatrist a year before must have known it was BPD but didn't tell us but had suggested the same treatment.  I got upset that we weren't told, but now understand that some clinicians believe that for some patients, it can have adverse affects (ie: use the BPD diagnosis as an excuse to self harm and other sufferer's deny it and remove themselves from a therapist who gives them the diagnosis).

However, in our case, diagnosis was met with tears of happiness and relief from both of us.  He was no longer confused or upset with himself for his behaviours.  Before then, he didn't understand why he was doing them and got angry at himself knowing he wasn't handling situations in a more appropriate way.  Immediately, even before we could get him psychotherapy, his self harm and aggression and splitting towards me decreased.

I am pleased to report that after only a few years of psychotherapy, my husband has 100% completely recovered. 

In my husbands case he was 'low functioning' (LF) (self harm type) and hospitalised often, so he was more willing to accept a diagnosis than much literature states about telling 'high functioning' BPD sufferers.

A great part of his therapy was recognising that, in his case, that both his parents were his triggers for self harm (must note parents are not the triggers in all BPD sufferers) and his mother has 'high functioning' (HF) BPD as well as NPD and his father has NPD.  This helped him to not get caught up in their mind games they played with him, that for a while, were life threatening for him.

Last year, we were caught up with a very big mind game with his mother.  She had spent all those years blaming me for her son's illhealth.  Even though we had known for years that it was impossible for me to be responsible for his self harm 20 years before I met him.

Blame games are so common with my MIL!

Well we were a heading into court hearing that had subpoened my husbands mental health files and for 5 years, the clinicians had written down in his 'family history' that his mother had BPD.  So she sort of had to find out before she was on the stand and got shocked by the news.

So we tried to tell her she has BPD.  It didn't go down too well, actually the reaction was exactly what I have read in so much BPD literature, when you tell someone, with HF BPD, they point the finger straight back at you and blame you for having BPD or another mental illness.  Her reaction was to call me a 'sociopath'  Smiling (click to insert in post)

My husband and I share the same my therapist and they also said the blame back at me was to be expected and noted how I was more like an empath than sociopath (an empath is a complete opposite of a sociopath) and it is impossible for a sociopath to stick around and help to nurse their husband right through intense BPD symptoms and well into recovery whilst at the same time, know that his family were blaming me in the background and not tell anyone because I feared their reaction to the truth could trigger my husband to make another attempt on his life.

He knew that if we told her she has BPD, that she would likely cut him off again, as she has done all her life whenever he says something she doesn't like and we weren't surprised when she did.  We haven't heard from her since and that was a year ago. 

So I have been around two people when they were told they have BPD. 

I will note here she hasn't had a diagnosis, but our clinicians (there were several from different health regions and all independent from each other) questioned both myself and my husband intensely and even cross examined us separately about her BPD behaviours because it was these behaviours that triggered my husband to self harm, so they needed to understand her to help him to stop getting upset with the games she played with him.

So in conclusion, my LF BPD husband embraced diagnosis and without diagnosis, I think he would still have BPD.  But telling his HF BPD and NPD mother, was met with denial and cutting us off as well as telling other members of my husband's family lies to make them cut him off too so they could never find out the truth.

So I believe telling a BPD sufferer is down to the individual and for some, you may want not want to be cut off from them leaving you unable to assist them at all. 

"Luckily", my husbands psychiatrist always tells him "You have your wife's family" and he does. Smiling (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 02:00:58 AM »

I wonder if age has something to do with acceptance ( or not !) of the diagnosis ? The younger the person is when first diagnosed , the more accepting of it they are ?
During the very first hospitalization when my DD was only 15 and up until that point we had had no idea she had any mental health issues of any kind , the psychiatrist told her she had clinical depression . She told him she had been doing a lot of reading and thought she was  likely either bipolar or BPD from her own research . This psychiatrist told her not to be so hard on herself , but a few months later ," BPD traits " and bipolar 2 were her diagnoses , and now her diagnoses are full blown BPD and being bipolar non specified or bipolar 2 ( though some DR's say they dont feel she is true  bipolar but is on the "bipolar spectrum ". I suspect they keep that diagnosis in there for ease of insurance reimbursement . Anyhow my daughter was pretty insightful and spot on with her self diagnosis 2 years ago and says she does identify more with BPD than bipolar .
Interestingly I have seen  two very different trains of thought across the different therapists in how they approach her diagnoses from the mental Health professionals . While some are very upfront with her and provide her with written education materials about BPD and have educated about BPD / need for Her to comply with DBT , and talk a lot about her diagnoses , her most recent therapist ( who specializes more in substance abuse ) did not like to mention BPD , and asked me to try and refrain from talking about it too often as it is her belief that once labeled ,because she is still under 18 and therefore still young and easily influenced , my DD is more likely to have worsening behaviors " because I'm BPD so this is what I'm all about " so living up to her diagnosis . This particular therapist felt that even though professionally she recognizes my DD is BPD and treats her accordingly , her approach was to try and not emphasize that my DD is so very different from other troubled teens . I can see the pros and cons of both sides of the coin .
In any case , I do wonder that if an adult is suddenly diagnosed , it would be far more difficult to accept .
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