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« on: January 28, 2018, 09:26:52 AM »

Hi!
Thanks to everyone for sharing their journey and offering help to others!

I am separated for the second time from my husband of 21 years, and live an hour away with our 3 children. My husband has characteristics of BPD and ND.  He has alcohol, porn and lust addictions, and lies about these addictions. I am finding out that he lies about a lot of things. He has extreme mood swings and anger issues.

I initiated both separations based on his addictions and mood disorder behaviors. Our children (17,16,12) do not want to live with him again unless he gets help and changes. They do not feel “safe”. They have not been physically abused, but are referring to the roller coaster of the Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde behavior. Walking on eggshells... .

I have not asked for a divorce - yet! Instead I’ve asked him to seek help to try and restore the marriage.  He is still not taking any of those steps, instead isolating himself and dipping into self pity and depression about being alone. Yet, he takes no ownership to move ahead and help himself. I have been in counseling for a couple of years and it has helped me immensely. I have learned a lot about how to interact with his issues and it has made a big difference in my communication with my spouse. I have come out of a lot of the confusion and fear, and have more clarity and discernment about my future. I cannot go back to the insanity.

I’m gettting my ducks in a row to prepare for divorce. I may wait and see if he will file first. Is there any benefit to filing or waiting for the spouse to file? I wondered if there is less anger on his end if he files?

My main concern is how he responds to the children. He does not call them or make any contact with them. I have to ask him to call them so they don’t feel rejected. He would not even check on them by phone after he coughed in their faces and gave them an upper respiratory infection. He had walking pneumonia!

When they do phone him, he will tell them how lonely and bored he is all by himself, “staring at the walls”. My children then feel guilty and sad for him. They don’t know what to say. He asks them why we (me, mom, included) won’t come spend the night anymore. They don’t know how to respond. These are questions for the wife, not the child. He is in denial.

I am trying to help my children stay emotionally healthy. I’ve asked him to stop talking to them in this way, but he clearly doesn’t change. In a way it is a blessing that he doesn’t call, because when he does it is so awkward. But, my heart grieves for them that their dad does not show them love as a father should.

If anyone has any advice for how to help the children, I would be thankful. It’s so sad for the children caught in the middle.

Blessings!
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 12:08:56 PM »

Hi.
Sorry, it looks like I posted this under the wrong category!
I’m brand new to the forum, and I can’t figure out how to move it. I was trying to post in the co-parenting or divorce section.
Thanks for any tips!
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 12:59:17 PM »

 

Welcome to the family G.G - no worries, I've put in a request to move you, bear with us.  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2018, 04:54:39 PM »

Thank you!  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2018, 05:56:23 PM »

vI initiated both separations based on his addictions and mood disorder behaviors. Our children (17,16,12) do not want to live with him again unless he gets help and changes. They do not feel “safe”. They have not been physically abused, but are referring to the roller coaster of the Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde behavior. Walking on eggshells... .[/quote]

Then you are doing right to separate and provide a more stable home for the children.  No one wanted this but that's the reality of your dilemma.

I have not asked for a divorce - yet!  Instead I’ve asked him to seek help to try and restore the marriage... .I cannot go back to the insanity.

The stark reality is that he's an adult and society will expect him to behave and deal with the dysfunctional family dynamic.  If he is to recover to a healthier mental state then he needs to Let Go the Denial, Blaming, Blame Shifting and seek therapy with an experienced professional for the loan haul.  There are no quick fixes or flashes of insight where it's all quickly fixed.  Anything less and if you take him back then the roller coaster up and down cycle would resume.

Yes, none of us are perfect, we all have some issues here and there, but his issues are on the extreme end of the spectrum of normalcy.

Most here have not tried Legal Separation, either the sabotage and conflict was too extreme or the legal risks were too great.  The members who successfully tried it were the ones who saw that their ex was in therapy and/or finally started respecting boundaries.

I’m getting my ducks in a row to prepare for divorce. I may wait and see if he will file first. Is there any benefit to filing or waiting for the spouse to file? I wondered if there is less anger on his end if he files?

Courts these days don't pay attention to plaintiff vs defendant as much as in the past.  However, there probably is an advantage to filing first.  You're more likely to control the overall tone of the divorce process and keep it moving.  He's likely to blame and delay.  In my case, I filed first, a very measured filing that was not inflammatory.  In her required response she made allegations galore.  I cast her allegations as sour grapes, her allegations were made only after we had separated.  Imagine if she had filed first, I would have had an even bigger uphill struggle to get a decent outcome.

As for his anger, there's little you can do to avoid that.  Maybe minimize it when we can.  We don't go out of our way to antagonize but we do what we have to do.

My main concern is how he responds to the children. He does not call them or make any contact with them. I have to ask him to call them so they don’t feel rejected... .I’ve asked him to stop talking to them in this way, but he clearly doesn’t change. In a way it is a blessing that he doesn’t call, because when he does it is so awkward. But, my heart grieves for them that their dad does not show them love as a father should.

He is what he is and he will do what he will do.  There's little you can do to change that.  Accepting that reality may help you to focus on properly validating the children's experiences, observations and conclusions in age appropriate ways.  Validation does not mean "but he's your father and he loves you".  Well, not precisely, because that's a bit contradictory and can be invalidating.  Validation is a skill you can practice and learn.  Help them to gain objectivity, guide them when they get it wrong and commend them when they get it right.  Others here will provide links to our lessons, articles and books on that topic.  Here's a sampling I found using the search button:

Workshop topics 1.11, 1.12, 1.13, 1.21, 2.10
Validating vs Enabling
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2018, 10:54:33 AM »

Hi G.G.,

It's a big step to initiate a separation. I hope you're managing the transition ok, taking care of yourself and appreciating the quiet  Smiling (click to insert in post)

My main concern is how he responds to the children. He does not call them or make any contact with them. I have to ask him to call them so they don’t feel rejected

I understand. It is so painful to see our kids being rejected by a parent.  

Do you feel you have the strength right now to lean all the way into their pain? I know it feels counterintuitive, but they may need you to emotionally validate their hurt more than maneuver to make things less painful.

I made the mistake of underestimating how alone my son felt, I didn't see how desperately he needed to express his deeply felt pain. By trying to put a positive spin on things, I taught my son that I was not prepared to handle his true feelings.

We are in a better place now, but during the early years of divorce my good intentions did leave him feeling terribly isolated  

To your other question about filing -- in addition to what FD said about setting the pace, I do think that in messy custody battles, court gives you a small advantage for recognizing the depth of the dysfunction. My ex was also a combination of BPD/NPD and abused prescription drugs and alcohol. There are many pieces involved in getting a favorable ruling, but it certainly doesn't hurt to signal to the court that you initiated the divorce to protect the kids.

Your situation is a little different in the sense that you are separating. It's possible that the conditions you have in place now will be considered status quo. In which case, the longer you live like this, the more likely court will rule to keep things the same.

How often does he see the kids right now? Do they ever stay with him?


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