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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2020, 08:50:11 AM »

As of a week ago I am now working from home. I am fortunate to live in a pretty rural location so the kids have been able to be in the garden and there have been some walks in local countryside as a family unit... my W and the kids. I was given a screen to plug into my laptop but realising what was coming and realising that wasn't going to be good enough I bought 2 more screens from ebay. I'm now parked on the kitchen table almost fully functioning as I would be in the office. I'm VERY glad I acted early as things progressed pretty quickly.

I bought quite a bit of pasta in late Feb having watched covid spill out of China and into Europe. Alas I suspeted that I'd be able to continue to go to the shops to get normal groceries, however, my D11 had a temp late last week so we're now self-isolating for 14 days which means we pretty much can't leave the home. uBPDw has been walking/running/bike ride in the early morning in local countryside. People have been delivering food although most people have had to go to multiple shops to get what they needed. I went to the local supermarket last weekend and I can't say I have seen anything like it. Meat and dairy fine, fruit and veg a little depleated... Not a single tinned food on the shelf, no eggs, no flour, no soft drinks, no pasta or rice, no toilet roll (since beginning of mar), no beer, very little wine, no paracetamol or ibruprofen. Completely wiped out.

My mother is over 70 so has self isolated and plans to do so for the next 12 weeks. My sisters and I now do regular 4 way whatsapp video calls, it works very well and she likes it. We're thinking of smart ways for her to interact with others whilst staying safe. I had a 7 way Skype 'lads drinks' on Friday night. That was the best solution of the lot, we tried a few but were either limited to the numbers of people or functionality was rubbish. That was quite good fun.

The situation with my W baring in mind she gave me an ultimatum to move out or she would back at the beginning of feb (I decided not to move out) is like a pressure cooker. Simple things like common courtesy that might make the situation more tolerable are seemingly beyond her and instead we're osculating between vitriol and silent treatment. I just get on with my business, try and minimise the 'wake' I leave and yet I still get barked at for "putting a breadknife back when she was going to use it". I bit back yesterday (mothers day) where she was especially contemptuous and since then things have been a little calmer. I don't know what the status of OM is at the moment, self isolation rules would make contact a no no, however I would guess that they hook up on her morning exercising. She went for a walk with her friend on Saturday (safe distance apart apparently), after baulking at me for going to a supermarket to get supplies the day before. She's conveniently merged the rules for 'self-isolating' and 'social-distancing'... the latter being okay if you don't have a person in your family with a temp. I have also been GIVEN responsibility for getting laptops for the kid to do home school, yet when I did so the choice was criticised and she because the most informed person about IT hardware on the planet (yet clearly wasn't).

I'm pretty chillaxed all things considered, and her behaviour makes sense... this must suck for her, it's the last thing she wanted... like the absolute last thing on earth. One MASSIVE plus side to this is working from home. Skip told me months ago to start being proactive about seeing how that would work and finding solutions... well God works in mysterious ways but this is an absolute home run on that front, Our whole office has been told to work from home for the next 12 weeks... and if you can do it for 12 weeks, it becomes a thing!

This is life for the next 12 weeks min... and likely more. This is a global nuclear bomb, way way worse that 2008/9 economically... it's huge... cash flow (killer of most businesses) has ceased... not slowed down... ceased. It WILL have unimaginable consequences. Some smart people I'm inclined to listen to (Not those who just say it just like seasonal flu) suggest this could be with us for 18m to 2 years as we gradually get herd immunity. These actions aren't about the masses, they're about our vulnerable parents. I was watching a program last night which put things in perspective a little... Seasonal flu has an R of 1.3... i.e. if I get it i'm likely to infect 1.3 people... so after 10 iterations I'm responsible for infecting something like 14 people. Covid19 has an r of 3... so after 10 iterations I am responsible for infecting 59,000 people... THAT'S SERIOUS

Stay safe and remember, your actions may well not be for you but for someone you care about.

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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2020, 11:14:22 AM »

Isolation is all well and good but has anyone considered things like your mail could be contaminated or food packaging?
They say don't touch door handles, atm's, petrol pumps, money.
People have to go shopping, the supermarkets are crowded, you have to go every few days because of the restrictions on the amount you can buy...Contamination is everywhere.
Not everyone has a car, buses and trains are therefore deadly, seems to take the point out of isolation and social distancing.
Now if everyone was locked up and someone delivered your food that had been decontaminated and they were wearing an hazmat that had also been decontaminated then it might work.
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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2020, 01:22:05 PM »

but has anyone considered things like your mail could be contaminated or food packaging?
 

of course.   of course they have considered things like door handles, gas pumps and plastic and metal surfaces.

that's why you are being told to wash your hands.   wash your hands like you are doing open heart surgery in the next 15 minutes.

social distancing is not going to stop the virus,.. it's an attempt to slow the spread.   to give the medical industry (in all its complexity) time to respond.   it's trying to buy time for hospitals to gear up.   treatments to be developed.
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« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2020, 02:17:37 PM »

Prepare for lockdown. Stuff like public transport, Slovenia suspended all of it 2 weeks ago already.

My hope here is, playing by the rules, 3months of strict restriction in liberties is a small price to pay than for this to get out of control. Who knows what will happen, military on the streets to keep order and distribute food more ration-like, so be it, the alternative is letting it become some apocalyptic free-for all. for having the best trained military in the world etc etc, now is the time to make use of it. 3 months is not much, sit home watch some telly, most of the population enjoyed for years the prepackaged entertainment stuff anyway.
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« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2020, 02:53:41 PM »

I think 3 months is a very optimistic figure being banded about to make us feel better.
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« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2020, 03:59:46 PM »

a complete long term lockdown is not sustainable the economy would completely collapse, no one will loan to us on the bond market, there would be no choice but to print money thereafter. Perhaps in one way an element of ignorance or denial and other of the behavioural science stuff has a collective function of helping to transition through this. We both saw what happened, how quickly the London and Manchester riots started and I cant even remember what for

this really is "us" together because no-one is safe from it, it does not discriminate beyond wanting a human cell. 3 months is a prediction based on documented advice by experts. It does involve that there is compliance to make it work. If it goes longer, they have (and I think it is reasonable) argument that some did not follow the official guidance put out and caused it to spread, thereafter taking longer to contain. Makes sense to me.
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« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2020, 04:35:39 PM »

You are very right re printing money. Inflation is a non-issue. I too agree that 3m is optimistic and this virus and our response to it will move in waves as and when our national health services are able to cope with the next wave of patients.

The UK is now on official lockdown. My W is officially in her worst nightmare for the next 3 weeks at the very minimum.

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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2020, 04:39:35 PM »

I believe the three months figure is speculative due to virologists postulating that there might be a seasonality in this virus, similar to the Spanish Flu in 1918. Possibly the number of infections will significantly decrease in the Northern Hemisphere, while the Southern Hemisphere will see an increase, similar to how flu season waxes and wanes.

It would be nice to get a break before it returns with a vengeance in the autumn here in the Northern Hemisphere.
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2020, 07:11:02 AM »

take extra care of securing your IT stuff and have contingency plans. For the first time my screen froze with some "your operating system is infected call us to unlock" and the only thing I could do was power off. It worked, and thankfully I have two computers but it got me thinking just how more precarious we are relying more on IT to work from home as a nation.

A system admin at my college said its normal to get - thousands - of attempted attacks each day on their servers.

countries out there hate us and this is an opportunity to cause even more havoc.

I decided to smoke my last cigarette today, being for the meantime isolated is a good opportunity to wean off for 3 months in relative peace. (from other people)

Besides going to work I find it increasingly peaceful, there has been far less disorder and it has made me reflect how much anxiety I have had due too much urban life stimuli.
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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2020, 07:46:24 AM »

Covid doesn't seem to mind the summer sun of Australia.
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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2020, 08:49:25 AM »

the Spanish flu of 1918 came in three waves,  the Spring of 1918, the very deadly second wave in the fall of 1918 and the last wave of Winter 1919.   there is one theory,  (and it's only a theory) that the waves were a consequence of humidity more then temperature.   humidity impacting the spray of a sneeze or a cough... 

there is also a school of thought that the Spanish Flu virus mutated extremely rapidly to a less lethal strain.     

of the existing (not novel) corona viruses they have shown evidence of being reactive to temperature... but there is no firm evidence of causality.     
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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2020, 07:24:36 PM »

I’m taking the advice that I’m currently reading. Discussing it with trusted friends and going about life cautiously as has been prescribed. I’m not hoarding or freaking out. This thing is bigger than me. It does help to learn as much as we can about it, but it doesn’t help to overreact to it. Remember the tools, everyone. Also remember, the tools work outside of BPD. Stay grounded out there. Make mindful decisions. Don’t overreact.
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« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2020, 08:43:17 PM »

 Covid-19 in the U.S. and around the world as it’s currently being reported. It’s going to cycle everywhere, so it helps to pay attention to what experts are saying, as opposed to media sources that would rather cause a stir than report the facts. Keep in mind that we’re also in the midst of a major election cycle, and the propaganda is thick.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Here are the stats. The mortality rate is very low. As testing increases, so will the numbers, but there’s a good chance that the spread will be consistent. Be safe everyone.
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« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2020, 09:00:49 AM »

Covid-19 in the U.S. and around the world as it’s currently being reported. It’s going to cycle everywhere, so it helps to pay attention to what experts are saying, as opposed to media sources that would rather cause a stir than report the facts. Keep in mind that we’re also in the midst of a major election cycle, and the propaganda is thick.

Here are the stats. The mortality rate is very low. As testing increases, so will the numbers, but there’s a good chance that the spread will be consistent. Be safe everyone.

Well said, the media and governments are hell bent on feeding us doom. They are massaging the numbers to scare the s**t out of everybody.
You don't hear on mainstream media about the recoveries, they don't tell you that millions have got it and have had it with no or mild symptoms.
They don't tell you that there is a difference between dying with it and dying from it.
The headlines in the UK today are that a 13 year old boy died from it, it's very sad but they are milking it. The facts are that high numbers of young people die every year from the flu as well as older people.
Another headline is that they are turning ice skating rinks into morgues. Another way to scare the s**t out of people.
They should be comparing the death rate to a normal days and weeks death rate so we can see the difference.
They should allow independent experts to air their views on the news rather than the government puppets with their doomsday scenario.
The media hype started all this and it turned into a runaway train which nobody knows how to stop for fear of looking stupid.
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« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2020, 09:51:01 AM »

If you believe it's being overhyped by the media and the government, I would suggest you speak to someone who lives in Italy and ask their opinion of how serious it is.
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« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2020, 10:08:50 AM »

It is, there are the positive stories coming out of this about the thousands of recoveries, the only one reported here is prince Charles if you believe that.
Not to mention the contradictions by our government.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid?fbclid=IwAR0ydJPJE78ERCQqZM1eX71qfs51a1NTl3w0SFpWsgMxmBlYKtYmL2omGk0

"Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK."
 
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« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2020, 10:59:48 AM »

I feel less anxious and stressed because there is less chaotic scenes and people are following the guidelines these past few days. Result, plenty items now in the shops, people being sensible and keeping safe distance. Also heard the infection rate was dropping since the measures put in place. Hopefully if things continue this way there can be a return to a bit more liberty and life as we once knew it.
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« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2020, 11:21:45 AM »

interesting report thanks in a bad way

way I read it is basically they discovered more about the virus than they knew before (they figured out the genetic make up of it), they know how to treat it (ventilators) and a few other aspects, made it go from defcon 5 to defcon 4 in the criteria boxes.
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