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« on: April 24, 2023, 02:34:56 PM »

Hello all,
My DD 26yo seems to have BPD. My husband displayed those symptoms for 30 years but I thought that is who he is. We have 2 other children who are healthy and successful. DD was born with separation anxiety, started to have depression, anxiety at age of 16. It followed with different diagnosis like OCD, MDD, psychosis; including different meds to treat each symptom. Her behavior displayed following - highly impulsive, distrusting, verbally abusive, clingy, recent use of weed & alcohol to replace medication, lying, manipulation, high risk behaviors in love/sex life etc.
She consistently took Lexapro to manage depression. Recently she decided to go off medication at her own. It lead to hypo mania with delusions. Though we knew something was off and she needed psychiatric intervention, we could not do anything until "she was harmful to herself or others".  So she did harm me and is finally being hospitalized. No new diagnosis yet. I desperately need help with next steps.
  • What can I tell to the doctors that helps with BPD diagnosis?
  • what medication, if any, is most useful for BPD?
  • Who pays for the DBT? It is not covered by Medi-Cal. Are you part of the therapy? Should you insist to be part of it, if you are paying for it?
  • We have been highly supportive parents during her past psychotic episodes and then helping her getting back to normal routine. This seems like she has started using her illness as crutch. We have spent thousands of $ to give her a new start each time. We are still paying her under-grad parent plus fed loans. We paid for her lease for 6 months last year when she came back home sick, now again 3months of lease to be paid still left & so are her finals for the grad school. This time she made some real bad decisions without much thinking and got herself into trouble again. The worst decision was getting off meds without the supervision of her psychiatrist. Being adult, she can repeat this decision even after she is released from hospital with meds that stabilize her moods. Would it help if we practice tough love this time and let her figure out her life at her own or would it trigger 'abandonment issues'?

Thank you in advance for sharing what worked or not worked for you.
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2023, 04:55:36 PM »

Hi BMO3;

While I don't have a child with BPD and haven't experienced having a young adult child hospitalized, I'll toss some ideas out there, that maybe can give you a direction forward, for now. I know other parents here have had children hospitalized, so some of them may be able to speak more directly to your situation.

What can I tell to the doctors that helps with BPD diagnosis?

You could consider sharing the "definite" diagnoses that she has received in the past, plus the information that medication generally was not effective for those diagnoses, plus your observations of her behavior (perhaps organized clinically -- the "screening and diagnosis" section of this article could help). Kind of leading the team towards concluding "sounds like BPD" for themselves.

Another approach could be asking "What can we do to rule out BPD?" Not that you "want it to not be BPD", but I've heard that sometimes asking in the opposite direction can help get results, vs saying "Can you prove it's BPD?" which might be met with a "well, maybe, maybe not". So, you could consider asking "what definitive screening can be done, to rule out BPD?"

  • what medication, if any, is most useful for BPD?

What I have heard is that while there is no specific medication that is useful for BPD, medication can help with associated conditions, such as depression and anxiety.

  • Who pays for the DBT? It is not covered by Medi-Cal. Are you part of the therapy? Should you insist to be part of it, if you are paying for it?

I'm not sure about payment -- whatever facility your child is at should have transparent and helpful information or live receptionists who can walk you through the financial side. It would seem pretty normal to me for you to call the hospital and say something like "I'm new to all of this, and I need you to walk me step by step through who pays for what, and how."

I suspect that each facility might set its own policies about payer involvement. That would be a fair question to ask them, and you could also frame it as -- "We know that family support can be crucial for mental health recovery... can you tell me more about the parent groups/family groups/family therapy/skills groups you offer for family members here?"

I'd also suspect that clinics know that mid-20s are a tricky age for insurance/finances, as some 20-something year olds are covered by parent insurance and some aren't, and some are just transitioning off of it.

There was another parent posting here recently, about an experience telling the clinic "look, my child has a history of dropping obligations, and as far as I can tell from your policies, you guys (a) can't tell me whether she's actually participating or not, and (b) I'm on the hook for full payment, even if she doesn't go" -- it was for a 24-year-old, and the clinic was open to talking to the parent about options. So it seems like it couldn't hurt to be straightforward with the clinic -- just be direct and ask direct questions, they're probably used to that.

We have been highly supportive parents during her past psychotic episodes and then helping her getting back to normal routine. This seems like she has started using her illness as crutch. We have spent thousands of $ to give her a new start each time. We are still paying her under-grad parent plus fed loans. We paid for her lease for 6 months last year when she came back home sick, now again 3months of lease to be paid still left & so are her finals for the grad school. This time she made some real bad decisions without much thinking and got herself into trouble again. The worst decision was getting off meds without the supervision of her psychiatrist. Being adult, she can repeat this decision even after she is released from hospital with meds that stabilize her moods. Would it help if we practice tough love this time and let her figure out her life at her own or would it trigger 'abandonment issues'?

That's tricky, and it seems like the answer is always "it depends".

Probably at least part of your path forward depends on how things go at the clinic -- are you guys able to be involved in parent groups/skill groups, are you included in making a discharge plan, are you going to be the official housing for her after discharge, etc. If you can be involved with her team, then it seems like making a "step down" plan could work; "OK, let's all reach agreement together: D26 will live at home for X months after discharge, during which time she will apply for at least 1 job per week until she gets a job. Once she gets a job, she will stick with that job for Y amount of time, and she will pay Mom and Dad Z% of every paycheck for rent. After X months, the team and family and D26 will regroup and make a move-out plan, which will look like D26 applying for one apartment per week until she is approved... [etc etc etc]".

If you guys can't be involved with her treatment, then the plan could look different. Some parents do choose to continue to provide "bed and board" due to their own values and integrity, or if their child is lower functioning. Other parents are able to come up with contracts or agreements, and some parents have to evict their child or get a RO, if the child is dangerous. I wonder if you'll have a better picture of what is the most loving thing to do for her, by observing how she interacts with her hospital stay this time. Like you said, you're wondering if she's just using her MH issues as a crutch, and it's hard to know. But you might get some information about "well, it seems like she is not ready to seriously engage with treatment, so it is OK for us to save our money for later, when she might be more ready, and not pay for XYZ for her now".

Some members have noted that pwBPD are often more resourceful than we give them credit for. While many pwBPD don't solve their problems in a rational way or in a way we'd like, it is more common (at least from what I've heard here) for adult children with BPD to find themselves a place to live, albeit "unconventional", than to be cold on the streets. Your D may choose to live in odd, irrational, bizarre, quirky, or nontraditional places (camper van, tent, with friends, on a couch, etc), but unless she is very low functioning, she can probably figure something out herself. Maybe the hardest part would be coping with the fact that it isn't what you'd want for her.

I'm thinking that if she's been harmful to you, then it might be best for all of you if she lived elsewhere after discharge. Can you get that on the record with the hospital staff, so they don't just assume "hey, we can discharge D26 to Mom and Dad"?

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This is hard stuff, and I'm sorry I don't have more direct experience with your type of situation. I do hope you can feel empowered to be bold and direct with hospital/clinic staff, asking direct questions and getting helpful, clear answers to your questions. Let us know how things go;

kells76
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2023, 05:27:14 PM »

Thank you Kellls76 for your very helpful response. I will sure keep you posted.

It's not in my nature to practice tough love and I don't want to be an enabler either. So I am making sure that I am not getting myself in a situation that neither helps her nor me. It hurts but I will be tough & not allow her to come home, if it helps her. I recorded my feelings, took pictures to remind me when I begin to forget her this "ill side". She is otherwise a loving and respectful daughter.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2023, 12:29:06 AM »

Hi I am going through the same thing with my 21 yo daughter who just came back from school tonight and has already stormed off. She also has an eating disorder. She has gotten a lot of care and been in the best programs. The fight tonight was because she told us she wanted to do a residential eating program over the summer and her dad and I said we wanted to talk more about it this week. In fact, her dad and I were hoping she would get a summer job. She did this program 2 years ago and we are feeling like her real problem is the bpd and not the eating. She didn't have a single friend at school and went to the local hospital's ER when she was almost suicidal after getting a bad quiz grade (and spent four days in the psych ward).

We worry all the time that through our misguided attempts to support her, we have actually enabled her fragility and she is going to become a professional patient.

We love her many wonderful qualities but she can also be extremely mean and belittling and completely self involved and narcissistic.

You mentioned your daughter was 26 and the thought of doing this for another five years made me so exhausted.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2023, 03:55:02 PM »

my child is now 39. Unfortunately she was mis-diagnosed many times, given meds for to treat those wrong diagnosis and all. They didn't work, because she has BPD, not bi-polar disorder, or schitzphrenia.  BPD is hard diagnosis to get, and DBT is difficult to find, PUSH for both, demand a second or third opinion , refuse a therapist who isn't helping. and get therapy of your own.
Learn to communicate effectively with your BPD. Remember you never ever owe them an explanation for your decisions, and know that your BPD will always point the finger of blame on anybody but themselves.  they are master manipulaters, but will never admit it, and believe me when I say everything is either black or white with them. there can never be a grey area. Situations are either one way , or the other to a BPD. Never engage in a verbal battle, once you start, you lose! a true BPD will totally destroy with words and feel justified in doing so ( until they are regulated again) then the self loathing and sadness set it. They know what they are doing while they are doing it, but are wired so differently that they feel justified during a rage.
Protect yourself and your heart, and never show weakness, just love and understanding. Good luck
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2023, 01:36:11 PM »

My daughter has been diagnosed with Bipolar mood disorder and she refuses to take any treatment that involves medication.
She had overdosed on Aspirin before, I think she is afraid of meds.

She lives with her dad now. I have minimal interaction with her since she had conflict with me. She was hospitalized after that and I moved out while she was in the hospital. She was discharged couple of weeks ago and then she didn't take the medication again. She has been homicidal, with sense of entitlement, extremely mean, belittling and completely self involved and narcissistic. She does not want to finish the credential program she was in. She got misdemeanor a month ago when she first starting having hypo mania due to antidepressant syndrome. She agreed to go for assessment when we put her in the hotel for few nights. She was referred to the residential program but she refused to go since they need medication compliancy.

She is open to therapy when she is not triggered. I found a great place https://dbtcalifornia.com/ for this. How should I approach her so that she willingly takes the initiative to go for it.

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2023, 01:57:15 PM »

You mentioned your daughter was 26 and the thought of doing this for another five years made me so exhausted.

I'm so sorry to hear your struggle. My daughter was diagnosed with depression and anxiety. She stayed stable on Lexapro 20 mg for 10 years but she always had behavioral issues. She was also looking at people as if they are out there to get her. She was then diagnosed as OCD. And when she is suffering because of withdrawal symptoms of Lexapro, she is labeled as Bipolar.

She made no long term friends. She had no long term BF. She picked totally good-for-nothing BF 7 months ago. We believe she started using weed in his company and decided to stop taking her regular medication. All this lead to her becoming maniac.

She and I were very close and the only person she trusted in the whole world was me. I canceled the joint CC when she went all by herself to Disneyland charging this card. She got arrested there for trespassing, we still don't know the details. She was upset with me for canceling the card and held me hostage when no one was home. I had to call 51/50 on her when conflict escalated. So she had lost the trust in me whatever was left.

We are so exhausted within few months and I'm hoping for a miracle when she accepts the treatment that helps her. I believe she has been misdiagnosed and she has BPD. Her dad had similar issues with me but to a much lower level, just enough to end our marriage.

I wish you and your family good luck with your daughter!
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