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« on: November 15, 2010, 03:04:08 PM »

I ignored red flags and stayed longer than I should have.  I can accept that now.  When things were great I'm beginning to realize that it was probably because my uBPDexbf was mirroring me.  That's what made my feelings for him so intense.  Who doesn't fall hard for someone who appears to be EXACTLY what you want?  When things turned bad all I wanted was for him to give me what he gave me earlier when things were good.  It really is like a drug.

If he was mirroring, will we ever feel those amazing and intense feelings again but in a healthy way with a healthy person?
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2010, 03:56:23 PM »

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If he was mirroring, will we ever feel those amazing and intense feelings again but in a healthy way with a healthy person?

Hopefully not. Those feelings of comfort and joy are your earliest memories of your Mother's face, before you realized that other people existed separately from yourself. When you did discover this, you entered into a depression, which split your Mother into good and bad. You were angry, but you eventually learned to deal with the separation, discover you were one person, not two- and grow into an autonomous human being with the free will to become whatever you wanted.

Because you have free will and can decide what you want and where you are going- you would never request that another human being follow you and think exactly like you. (The only people who do this- and can mimic successfully for a few months, are people with attachment disorders, i.e, Cluster B)

The fantasy of a merged object (you and he together) is what Borderlines crave. Borderlines have not learned how to separate from others, so they mirror and mimic for valuation. (This valuation resides deeply in your own psyche as a past memory of your first objectified human, your Mother. It also resides in theirs.)  The fantasy that you've found a soulmate resides in the emotions that surface from mirroring. Mirroring involves a surface- mirroring stays at the surface and it doesn't go deep.  If it went deep you would see ripples in the lake that would mess up the mirror. Borderlines cant allow any chance of that to happen.

Unfortunately, this is news to you. It looks and feels like love. You want to dive deeper. You want to leave the surface and go into the depths.  You've finally found the one who get's you. You feel safe.  A Borderline has you right where they want you: ISOLATED.

Borderline valuation works with two people isolating themselves from reality while they work on the coveted valuation (presented by the Borderline as sexual presentation or intellectual, whatever works best.)  You see, this is a choreographed drive function- it's about feeling valued and using people as objects to eliminate anxiety. He's got an attachment disorder.  Somehow this repetition compulsion of his doesn't fulfill it's desire to feel better about himself. It is a fantasy solution to reality.

Reality = the outside World and the rest of humanity that watch you go down this hole with the Borderline. Fantasy thinking involves a regression from reality. That's deep down there and you're diving down, meanwhile, your partner is still staying on the surface.

You wont find this out until it's too late.  You will not get back to the surface without getting the bends.  You will, however, survive after decompressing.  It will become a life changing experience for you if you let it.  Given time you will understand what the meaning of mirroring provides, what it allows for (in a bad way) and what it supposes as a break from reality.

None of us will ever truly find a person that is exactly like us. We each have differences, outlooks, ideas, upbringing. We each need to make our own decisions. Those decisions may not be supported- but they are ours. It is a painful existence, but we have the ability to make it better with our choices.

The beauty of being mirrored gives an everlasting gift. One where you see yourself reflected back to you in loving admiration. That came to you when you needed it. Take what you remember and move forward with the thought that you are a pretty great person and the World is open to you now. There isn't much else you can do except be yourself and be open to meeting people who are different.  Let go of the expectations that you'll ever find a person to mirror you again and if you do- run. It's the first sign that someone is manipulating you.

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 05:25:08 PM »

2010 your posts are very insightful. I'm 8 mths out of my r/s. I am dating again,I think my subconscious is looking for that high I felt with my ex. Is this normal, do normal r/s start like this? Funny thing is I think I had an affair with a borderline also. I must really be sick. Am I spoiled? Will I ever know or want a normal r/s?
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 05:53:08 PM »

The only people who do this- and can mimic successfully for a few months, are people with attachment disorders, i.e, Cluster B)

The fantasy of a merged object (you and he together) is what Borderlines crave. Borderlines have not learned how to separate from others, so they mirror and mimic for valuation.

So this explains why my wife starts to act like new friends she makes? She quickly adopts what they like and what they like to do. The latest social circle all about good time girls and all about bling and other material things. I have even noticed that she will speak like them. Literally sound like some of her friends while she is talking to them.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 06:38:14 PM »

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I must really be sick. Am I spoiled? Will I ever know or want a normal r/s?

I don't think you're sick. I think you just met a Borderline and got hit with the devaluation stick. Technically speaking, there really isn't much you can do about valuation/devaluation when it occurs- except take things slower next time and ask allot of questions during valuation- sort of like buying a new car.

Valuation and Devaluation are horrible things to experience. Painful, awful, hellish. We see ourselves reflected in the surface of things- and that reflection, that persona, is what matters to us when we see it reflected in the eyes of another person.  It becomes our drive to become that person. A Borderline will mirror what you value, and they do that by scanning for clues, which you provide to them. This is mostly done without your knowledge- but if you look back in hindsight you'll see instances where you felt comfortable enough to open up about these things. That was not unintentional as far as the Borderline is concerned- it was information that the Borderline used in order to evaluate their valuation. That was on purpose. Discovering how and when this happened is not as important as discovering what the clues you gave were.

Investigating the persona that was reflected, valued and then devalued is the work you must undertake.  :)o not resurrect an open dialogue with the Borderline- you will only get more confused by their inability to take responsibility for any of their choreographed drives to mirror your values.

Instead, you must declare the information from them inept and ridiculous. They live in fantasy. That is your only reality. The job now for you is to break the spell that this person holds because of mirroring. You must become the undertaker of the post mortem, and find what it was in your persona that was easily manipulated by the Borderline. Was it your good guy persona? That's been taught to you from childhood. You found value in being a good child and grew up into a good man. That feeling of responsibility you have for others was manipulated.  Eventually, if you do the work, you will become depressed about this perceived flaw. That is to be expected. It would help if you had a trusted confidante at this time who understood your drive to be responsible and good- so good that when someone called you bad you felt shame and anger and returned over and over again to the Borderline who gave judgment that really wasn't logical or realistic. Perhaps that's with a private therapist or in the L5 board where you can make a personal inventory.

Given time you will come to a remarkable sense of introspection. And like the Desiderata reminds us, don't worry about love- it does exist. And things will work out when you want them to- as long as you turn the focus to yourself.

"Be yourself.

Especially do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love,

for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment,

it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years,

gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.

Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline,

be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe

no less than the trees and the stars;

you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you,

no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should."

www.fleurdelis.com/desiderata.htm Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2010, 07:18:11 PM »

Wow is all I can say and thank you. My ex has a thick british accent like her grandmum and she isn't from britain.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2010, 08:16:06 PM »

what happened in the affair to make you think she was borderline?
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2010, 08:22:47 PM »

In the beginning she idealized me, she even told me later she thought I was perfect. She raged a lot with her bf. She told me that she can't stand being quiet because bad things went through her mind. No matter what her bf or I did it was never good enough. She told me bad things happened to her in her childhood. She hardly slept, she obviously was promiscuous, I felt as though sometimes there was someone else apart from me. Our honeymoon lasted about 3 months. Her views change very often. She was often depressed and had only fleeting moments of happiness.
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