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Before you can make things better, you have to stop making them worse... Have you considered that being critical, judgmental, or invalidating toward the other parent, no matter what she or he just did will only make matters worse? Someone has to be do something. This means finding the motivation to stop making things worse, learning how to interrupt your own negative responses, body language, facial expressions, voice tone, and learning how to inhibit your urges to do things that you later realize are contributing to the tensions.
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« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2013, 03:54:45 AM »

It's hard when we realize we can be victims of our choices.

It definitely can be and so we kick ourselves and feel guilt... .  and we also misplace the anger as well.

We're just as responsible for ourselves... .  if not absolutely 100% moreso.

How can we expect someone else to be responsible for us when they aren't being responsible for themselves?
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« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2013, 03:59:35 AM »

We can't be responsible for other grown adults.  We can only be responsible for ourselves.
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« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2013, 10:51:50 AM »

Hi GM,  

Thank you for this thread.  This is where I'm at in my own journey trying to look inward at the decisions I've made over the course of my life.  I'm working on the process of detachment in every aspect of my life, the idea that I can only control the decisions and actions of myself, not others.  I've learned something valuable from every relationship I've been in, they have all given me lessons to take into my future that have fostered my growth and taught me about myself.  My past is something that has only become really clear to me within the last year, so I know that proper healing for myself is the key to having a happy and fulfilling future.  My mother I realize is most likely NPD, my exh as well, I have a history of repeating unhealthy patterns due to my own decisions.  And the only one responsible for those repeated patterns is me and me alone.  My biggest challenge is to not allow myself to become so immersed in another person's life that I forget to also take care of me.  I take full responsibility for allowing myself to not be taken care of, for not expecting anything in return, which I'm only starting to believe that I deserve.  I also see where my own coD traits have made it difficult for me to let go of control in a relationship, again, I can only control my own words and actions, not those of another.  It is wrong of me to try to control another, the only person I can be responsible for is the one who faces me in the mirror each day.

This is where I'm at as of now... .  detaching, letting go of control and looking inward to fix, not outward.  I most certainly have been a willing volunteer.

Thanks again for this great thread!  
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« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2013, 01:38:55 PM »

Hi Faith. Good to gear you are going through and looking at ways to shore up your foundation.

Love to hear more on what you are doing differently in those choices.  It could help all of us.
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« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2013, 09:41:14 PM »

GM,

Honestly, I've always put all of my focus on the other people in my life.  I think in some ways that was my way of deflecting attention away from myself because I haven't ever been truly confident in who I am as a person.  I've been told that I'm a kind, loving, compassionate friend, mother, sister, etc. I've heard these things my entire life however I've never truly believed it.  I always question myself and give the benefit of the doubt to the other person, no matter who they are and even if they don't deserve that benefit. 

It stems back to my childhood, being a young girl who desperately wanted to be accepted and loved unconditionally by my mother.  I've never truly had that because my mother is uNPD and isn't capable of loving unconditionally because of her own issues.  Triangulation (read definition), regular criticism and constant attention seeking are her ways of interacting with family and others, so it's difficult to have a stable and loving relationship with her.  I'm a very affectionate person who has an enormous amount of love to give. The two parts of my life I haven't failed at are being a good mother and a caring teacher, those areas of my life I've been able to share that affection and love and have it returned in a way that's enormously fulfilling.  I have however failed at relationships with the men in my life because I've been trying to have that love I missed out on with my mother through them. 

I understand it now.  It's taken me a long time to reach this understanding because I had no knowledge of BPD (w/NPD traits) or my own unhealthy patterns until about a year ago.  I take full responsibility for the choices I've made and that I too contributed to the downfall of each of my relationships because I wasn't presenting a "healthy me" to any of them. 

So I guess in answer to your thought provoking words... .  I'm taking the knowledge I'm gaining about myself and starting to apply it to my life in hopefully a positive way from this point on.  I don't want to be a victim, I have too much of the survivor instinct in me to allow myself to be a victim.  I was absolutely a willing participant in my life and my choices, good and bad ones.  It doesn't matter how many issues or problems others have, those are theirs to control and change if they choose to, my own issues are the only things I'm in total control of and capable of fixing for the better.  Being alone for now is also a big part of gaining the confidence I need and solidly healing once and for all.  I can't offer another person 100% until I have given that to myself first.

So I will continue to read whatever I can get my hands on about detachment, about controlling my own destiny, about guiding myself to a happier future.  I also have a deep faith and I know that happiness must be found by looking inward, not looking outward for others to fulfill this for me.  I am getting happier each day and I'm doing it all on my own, it's a peaceful place to be, knowing that I can be content in my own presence and without relying on others for that contentment. 

Thank you again for this thread GM.  You always have a way of making me think deeply and challenging myself to be a better person.   
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« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2013, 10:10:05 PM »

Interesting question.

I do strongly believe it is a parasitic relationship. But, like a cancer or a tick infestation, the host often doesn't know the life is being eaten away from it until its too sick to get away.
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« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2013, 11:17:31 PM »

LoveNYC work with me here. What choices did you make?
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« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2013, 12:13:26 PM »

Yes, like the others, very poor boundaries. I think when you can internalize the fact that you are entitled to protect your human assets... .  the biological territory under your jurisdiction, boundaries and self concept form automatically.

If you always feel nervous or uneasy, it is your responsibility to determine why. It is up to you to keep track of the instances your feel uneasy when another person behaves a certain way, and make serious notes of these.

It is in your jurisdiction to remove yourself from moments of needlessly stressful situations. And you don't have to be sorry. But you have to really, really internalize these realities.

For me, when I started to do this, it was like the world had been lifted off my shoulders.
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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2013, 09:50:08 PM »

So I'm asking why do you think you volunteered?  :)id you give up your choices?  What were those choices?  And, why did you hand this over to someone else?

-This thread isn't about celebrating being a victim.  This is about the choices we've made.  If you want to talk about that kind of stuff, BPD folklore or trickery, or start blaming your choices on the other person don't do it here.  

I don't like the word volunteer when discussing abusive or dysfunctional relationships, and I really dislike the slogan There are no victims, only volunteers.  Sorry, but I didn't sign up to be abused when I was a child. I was a true victim (as is anyone who's suffered childhood abuse). A child doesn't have a choice.  I had no choice.

As a result of those childhood traumas and wounds I am psychologically and emotional configured -- wired -- in certain ways, which left me susceptible to the seductions of my uBPDxgf.  In a very real sense, I didn't have a choice. I was victimized, not by my uBPDxgf, but by the abuse inflicted on me by my parents long ago. I was compelled into this relationship, not by her, but by the after effects of childhood abuse and trauma.  I was -- and am -- emotionally impaired.

That said, I accept that I am fully and solely responsible and accountable for myself, my life, my words, my actions, my choices -- however I'm wired, wounded, or impaired.  I'm not responsible for having been abused and traumatized, but I am responsible for how it affected me (i.e., I can't blame my parents for my choices and actions). Which in this case, kind'a sucks, but there it is. I was victimized as a child but, as an adult, I choose whether to adopt a victim posture. I am not a wounded child; I'm an adult who was wounded as a child. I'm responsible for healing and recovering -- rewiring myself -- as best I can, and accepting my limitations. Unfortunately this inevitably involves some hard life lessons.

I think that's what no victims only volunteers is trying to get at -- we choose whether or not to have a victim attitude, whether or not to take responsibility for ourselves, whether to focus on what others have done to us or on our own healing. It's just that the slogan seems harshly judgmental to me, and comes perilously close to blaming the victim.

I have had to accept that I may not have chosen this relationship, may not have chosen to stay, that in a sense I couldn't have acted in any way other than the way I did. At the same time, I am responsible for the consequences for me.

I think we're asking pretty much the same thing here. I just prefer to phrase the question a bit differently.  Not why did I volunteer, but what compelled me into this relationship and to remain. My responsibility is, first, to seek answers to these and other hard questions and do my best to heal, change, and grow based on the answers.

The word host as sometimes used in these forums often carries a charge of resentful, aggrieved victimhood. And I can empathize with that.  I definitely have a proclivity for feeling like an aggrieved victim.  For me, the posture involves a certain superiority and condescension toward my alleged victimizer. However I perceive -- and emotionally and physically feel -- as intoxicating as it is, how toxic the aggrieved victim posture is for me.

I empathize with the anger. The pwBPDs in our lives have often acted very hurtfully toward us. It's healthy and necessary for us to feel angry about that, but we have to own the anger for it to help and heal us. Right now, I'm very angry at the way I was treated by my uBPDxgf -- and it feels great!  Like I'm reclaiming myself in some way.  However, anger which has festered into resentment is toxic.

The term host is useful in the same limited way the BPD dx is -- it helps us identify patterns and mechanisms and to understand and accept our experience. These terms may even indicate some ways we can or need to heal, but they don't help heal us.  Host and BPD are about someone else. Healing and growth are about ourselves.

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