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« on: February 16, 2014, 01:42:11 AM »

Im not sure how to go about going from the New Members forum to here (my thread was closed) so I guess I will post a link to my original situation and then as my question.

https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=218573.0

So basically I have not seen her in a month.  The most NC I can go is a couple of days and then I feel the need to text or email her how much I truly love her.  I NEVER ever get a reply which still I don't get how a human being can do that to another who she supposedly "loved more than anyone before".  I have been reading about BPD for the month on here and other sites on the web.  I get it, im better off without her but darn Im crushed and it doesn't seem to be getting a whole lot easier.

Now what confuses me is this... . I read one of the threads on here about us "normal" people complaining that their exBPD's are sending emails or texts trying to express their love and how they want to try again.  The non's explain how they do not respond and continue the NC.  So my question is why do I seem to have the opposite situation going on in my life.  Why is it so easy for her to ignore me and I keep thinking and trying to tell her to give us another chance because I believe overall we had a good relationship with excellent chemistry?  I know she has not seen anyone else the past month we have been apart and as far as I know never cheated on me the year and a half we were together.  Her reason for ending it when she left was we don't get along.  I asked her if there was someone else and she says no she just needed to get her life back in order which for her is finding a place to live so she can move out of her parents place.  I just cant accept its over after we constantly told each other we were our future.  So am I the BPD person in all this for continuely trying to get her back.  My therapist tells me the fact that I go see her and question if I am at fault in all of this shows I am not BPD.  I don't know what to think anymore.  All I know is its 2:30 am and I cant sleep.  Been hardest month of my life.  Very little sleep, lost 15 lbs and cry often and anywhere.

When does this get easier?

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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2014, 02:01:34 AM »

It takes time love2give. I lost weight too in the beggining. I can tell you this that my ex was good at hiding r/s's with another man and I suspect that there were more. I can't take anything at face value. Since she has left with her paramour and she was having an affair that she hid, I have been split black, hence the no communication on her part because she doesn't need me. She has a replacement but may contact me again from what I understand. Are you positive that there's no one else? Is there anything that you can think of that she may of been hiding something?
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2014, 02:09:55 AM »

Okay love, First off my ex is definitely an extreme case of BPD. I'm certain of this. She has not contacted like you have been reading about on here. She will have the occasional weak/drunk moment every couple of months. She is passive. She knows that drives me nuts. She starved a rabbit when she was a little girl just to watch it die but that's another story. My point is that your ex knows this is eating you alive and she is getting of on it.

She knows you are not going anywhere because you make contact every couple of days. Even if she were not BPD this would drive her away. I don't like saying this and I'm probable going to get ripped for it but you have to have some game here. My ex broke up with me all the time and I puppy dogged her back like a little b!tch. I'm mad at myself for that now. Things would have been different if I had walked early on. She owned me and relished in torturing me with that. You don't do that to someone you love. Your ex would not either. Mine told me all the same BS... Love of her life, blah, blah... The all do. We would not be wanting them back if the mirroring thing was not  so great.

I obsess like crazy, have revenge thoughts, feel sorry for her, love her, hate her... the whole gamut but I don't make contact. You have to stop that. And why wouldn't you at this point. What do you have to lose. She will never respect you when you are texting and emailing how much you love her.

The other thing, man is if she is BPD you need to hang this up. You not only don't want her but there is no way you can have a relationship with her. The very nature of this disorder is that they can't have relationships Literally, by definition, she will destroy anything you have and likely enjoy doing it. If you were with her a year and a half and have just clued in on this BPD thing that sounds odd. I'm no therapist.

I know exactly how you feel. the silence is terrible, especially when you are suffering but go silent on her and see what happens. I mean go completely NC. Block her ass from everything. You want different results? Try something different. Do the opposite of what you've been doing. Just my two cents.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2014, 02:13:30 AM »

L2G... It does get easier. Just know that it does. There is no when. There are basically three frames of reference. Past, present, and future. As the human goes we have only now. We can not experience anything other than Now if you have the strength, it can be better now. Can you say to your self it's better NOW.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 02:15:27 AM »

It takes time love2give. I lost weight too in the beggining. I can tell you this that my ex was good at hiding r/s's with another man and I suspect that there were more. I can't take anything at face value. Since she has left with her paramour and she was having an affair that she hid, I have been split black, hence the no communication on her part because she doesn't need me. She has a replacement but may contact me again from what I understand. Are you positive that there's no one else? Is there anything that you can think of that she may of been hiding something?

Thanks for your reply.  I am 99.9% sure she did not cheat on me while together (cant really explain how I know) and I know she has not gone anywhere with another man in the month apart.  Weather she is chatting someone up on facebook I cant be sure but she is spending a lot of time with her sister who is family oriented so Im pretty sure she is just trying to figure herself out and trying to figure out why SHE always meets the WRONG GUYS.  Can't be anything she does of course.

I messaged her Thursday again explaining how over all we were great together cause we really did enjoy being together.  It was the ridiculous petty fights she would start, like me dosing off in front of the tv at 11 pm with her next to me, that were the problem.  She never realizes she started these silly fights.  She just focuses on my reaction after trying to explain to her that what she is picking at is wrong, she goes ballistic, we both get loud and she leaves cause Im the monster (louder).

I was reading the texts from the past few months and we had a silly argument pretty much once a week, again for things so pointless.  She would constantly ask me if I was on facebook a lot WHICH IM NOT.  Well the past month ive been bored and what do I see, her LIKES and COMMENTS all over facebook while we were dating.  Its crazy.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 02:22:47 AM »

Okay love, First off my ex is definitely an extreme case of BPD. I'm certain of this. She has not contacted like you have been reading about on here. She will have the occasional weak/drunk moment every couple of months. She is passive. She knows that drives me nuts. She starved a rabbit when she was a little girl just to watch it die but that's another story. My point is that your ex knows this is eating you alive and she is getting of on it.

She knows you are not going anywhere because you make contact every couple of days. Even if she were not BPD this would drive her away. I don't like saying this and I'm probable going to get ripped for it but you have to have some game here. My ex broke up with me all the time and I puppy dogged her back like a little b!tch. I'm mad at myself for that now. Things would have been different if I had walked early on. She owned me and relished in torturing me with that. You don't do that to someone you love. Your ex would not either. Mine told me all the same BS... Love of her life, blah, blah... The all do. We would not be wanting them back if the mirroring thing was not  so great.

I obsess like crazy, have revenge thoughts, feel sorry for her, love her, hate her... the whole gamut but I don't make contact. You have to stop that. And why wouldn't you at this point. What do you have to lose. She will never respect you when you are texting and emailing how much you love her.

The other thing, man is if she is BPD you need to hang this up. You not only don't want her but there is no way you can have a relationship with her. The very nature of this disorder is that they can't have relationships Literally, by definition, she will destroy anything you have and likely enjoy doing it. If you were with her a year and a half and have just clued in on this BPD thing that sounds odd. I'm no therapist.

I know exactly how you feel. the silence is terrible, especially when you are suffering but go silent on her and see what happens. I mean go completely NC. Block her ass from everything. You want different results? Try something different. Do the opposite of what you've been doing. Just my two cents.

Buddy,  thanks for saying it like it is and putting me in my place.  Your 100% right.  Sometimes I think about it, with everything I gave her she should be begging me back but then I all back into my old ways.  And oh im sure she is loving the texts with no replies.

I have read it everywhere that it will never work with these women.  I just have to get it into my THICK SKULL.

Perfidy.  Thank you.  I have certain moments where Im ok but I realize its when I believe she will come back.  I should be dreading her coming back.  I just feel I got so taken.  I don't know what was and wasn't real about her anymore.  Wow what an experience this has become.

Thank God for all of you
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 02:33:51 AM »

I'm the same way. I was talking to myself as much as you. We have to get assertive with ourselves sometimes. My ex has literally destroyed my life in every possible way and treated me like sh!t the whole time we were together yet I long for her to be back every day. Why do you think I'm on here at 3:20 am.

Below is a post from Changingman on here that helped me. I still haven't done the quote function here so I copy and paste. My apologies.

"She is leading you to some pretty f***** up places. This will haunt you for life. Radical acceptence... . this is the c*** you were with, no ifs no buts. No changing no closure no discussion no respect no human being.

You have two choices:

Contact! Feel all the pain, betrayal and humiliation she can give you, the victim to her sadism


Or refuse to let her hurt you anymore. Nothing, gone, she is this demon in your life and the key is contact. You'll sweat and grind and be terminally bored. This is cold turkey. And what she has abused  inside you will shout and scream and demand another hit.

Hey maybe a magic trick will change her back into the pantomime princess she made herself for you while she started to eat away at your life.

She is now! This is the absolute truth, this is the hidden passenger that was staring at you from behind make up and dresses and lies. She can hardly understand her own emotions, YOURS? Ha you're a doll for her play, you'll be left broken while she laughs.

No More Oks

It's not ok what she does! No contact

You cannot change her or the situation! No contact

There is a life more beautiful for you ahead, you're not a 13 year old girl. Man up. No crazy

No more excuses or apologies, whatever you did or didn't do was and is meaningless to her. That's vanity.

Stop beating yourself up, you're out of the cage and it feels drunk to wander away from the containment. You've been conditioned to polish the bars. No contact.

Cry, ache, feel your emotions. Your body is not a temple it's a machine. Don't be ashamed of your feelings.

Don't harm yourself or anyone else. If you feel like it change the thought to exercise or healthy eating or something positive for you.

Well done you know you are capable of love and commitment, now find someone f****** worthy of you.

Good luck my friend, the journey is more complex than we had imagined.

Angry is good, but get out of her script. She has such plans for you.

It is not the sun the moon and the stars it's just her, what a ... . "






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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 02:43:02 AM »

Tausk reposted this post from someone with the handle 2010. It helps me also. It's long but one of those things I read daily to try in ingrain into my psyche.

In some relationships, the idealization phase is the partner being in lonely child stance and the Borderline being in abandoned child stance.*Both need saving* Both need attachment to stave off the pain of being alone.  This is one type of bonding seen in this community.

In this bond, both people bring core trauma to the relationship. Mirroring reenacts the earliest childhood experiences to rise up and emerge into consciousness.

In idealization, there is a dual identification and projection for both people that they have found a perfect love- however, one partner (the “lonely child”) does not yet realize that the other partner (the abandoned child= Borderline) has no whole self- and is utilizing a fantasy of a part-time good in order to fuse with the partner's part time good and become one.

The lonely child has spent much of their life becoming “one.”  When a lonely child finds an abandoned child, both parties feel needed. However, rather than truly loving the individuality of both parties- the sad, fantasy aspect of mirroring magnifies the unhealthy *needs* of both people.

When the lonely child begins to question the reality of mirroring (reality testing) this raises core traumas into activation concerning both the questioning (uncertainty) and the hope (unfulfilled expectations) of the unrealistic attachment. "Lack of inherent trust" is found in both parties at this stage.

Reality testing causes the lonely child to pull away because certain things don't add up- as you say, "the idealization phase slowly erodes."

Pulling away, even while in the lap of comfortable luxury- triggers the abandoned child issues of the Borderline. This causes panic reactions of clinging behaviors by the Borderline to prevent the retreat of their desired love object. These immature demands can look like entitlement to others, especially to a lonely child, who has learned early on to be self sufficient and to self soothe- but the entitlement markers are highly charged and emotional to a Borderline, which isn’t Narcissistic grandiosity- it’s ego deficiency and panic.

The entitlement phase brings a hidden "angry and aggressive child" out from hibernation and into full view and this usually occurs when the lonely child least expects it.  The angry child that emerges is pissed and has delusions of persecution that are ideas of reference from earlier childhood trauma. It’s at this point that the angry child (Borderline) will become enraged and try to cast off shame.  They may attempt to harm himself/herself in order to scapegoat the lonely child- who unwittingly stands-in for the earliest attachment.  This triggers the lonely child's trauma from their earliest attachment as well.

The Borderline wants so badly to be whole that they demand that the lonely child create wholeness for them- which the partner succeeds in doing early on but then relaxes. The Borderline temper tantrum, with its ideas of reference being so very childlike and fantastic, perceives the relaxation of the partner as though the attachment is split up. In order to cope, the Borderline must now find another part time perceived good object to self medicate the emotions of feeling badly from the split.  If this cannot be accomplished, the surge of limbic fear concerning anger and abandonment causes such great pain that self harm is often inflicted for relief.

The lonely child is often very surprised by this. The anger and dysregulation are in contrast to what he/she perceives are necessary for the circumstances. (The lonely child fails to see need disguised as "love."  Therefore, the lonely child seeks to understand the Borderlines ideas of reference concerning "love" in order to cope with the neediness and begins a line of questioning.  The Borderline retreats.

Lonely child is "understanding driven" and gets drawn into the Borderline acting out. The lonely child now has a mystery- the Borderline dilemma of "who am I?" This is very likely the same way that the lonely child came into existence as an “understanding driven” child. Especially when he questioned the motives of his earliest attachments during infancy and adolescence.

The lonely child *understands* the need to be held, loved and understood – because that’s what he longs for in others. The lonely child feels that in order to deal with acting out of the Borderline- the lonely child must project the aura of grace, compassion and understanding upon the Borderline and also guide, teach and show the way- because after all, that’s what the lonely child would want someone to do for him. There was a large reason that the initial mirroring (of this fixer /rescuer ego) worked so well in the idealization stage- the relationship really WAS the projection of lonely child that was mirrored, not the deficient ego of the Borderline.

In the "upside down" world of the Borderline, the lonely child is the perfect attachment to fuse to and the hypersensitive Borderline is the perfect mystery for the lonely child to try to understand.  This is the reactivation of a childhood dynamic- that forms a needy bond.

The Borderline is a perfect template with which to Header and identify with as a good object and also one to invest in to feel better about the “self.”

The understanding driven lonely child "imagines" (projects) onto the Borderline what he/she feels the Borderline identifies with. The lonely child often fills in the blanks with projective identification and the Borderline attempts to absorbs this- but it's impossible to appear as a self-directed person while taking cues and mirroring another self directed partner.

The Borderline scrambles to keep up with what is projected in a chameleon like manner.  All of this pressure to adapt and conform to the projection smothers and defeats the Borderline’s yearning for a perfect bond and triggers engulfment failure. 

Engulfment also means loss of control, annihilation fantasies and shame.  Shame activates the punitive parent that resides in their inner world, their psyche. The attachment failure has now become shame based for the Borderline.  It will soon become guilt driven for the lonely child partner.

Engulfment makes Borderlines very frustrated and angry- but Borderlines fear abandonment and choose to stuff away their fear and compulsively attempt to manage their pain. The impulsive gestures are a form of self harm that fixes the bond in a permanent chaos of action/reaction. 

Borderlines can be avoidant and passive aggressive and will do everything in their power to hide their strong emotions until they implode.  They swing wildly from abandoned child to angry child until they deflate into detached protector- who is basically a mute that doesn’t speak- or worse, speaks in word salad when confronted.

The swinging dysregulation pattern is unable to be separated and individuated and self directed. Because it cannot be self directed, it cannot be self soothed. There is no ability to defer these emotions to logic and reasoning with introspection *without* another person to blame.  This is where Borderlines are showing you the maturity stage at which they are developmentally arrested and remain stuck and frightened.

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Devaluing is the BPD going into the punitive parent role to switch up the control ~ control was relinquished in the idealisation phase so we will attach. The further along we get in the rs ~ the BPD then feels like we are the persecutor for their failing part time self ~ devalue. Devaluing is more about projection ~ because there failing self makes them feel woeful, scared, fearful.

We all have punitive parents that exist in our heads. This is our Superego.  The criticism felt by both parties exists as guilt and shame inside our heads. This tape plays over and over and is a re-working of former traumas. It is also a huge part of what makes complementary traumas so attractive as binding agents to each other.  The lonely child has the “tyrannical shoulds” while the abandoned child has defectiveness schema- together they interact and drive each other crazy.

The understanding driven child cannot fathom how another human being does not have a “self.”  The understanding driven child has had much childhood experience with strong selves and has created a self to understand the motives of others. Lonely children have a need to have some sort of control over their destiny because so much was out of control in their childhood.

The Borderline’s idea of destiny is being attached to others for protection. The Borderline cannot fathom what it means to have a stand alone “self.”

Both parties are human “doing” for others rather than being- but there is more impulsivity in Borderline in the “offering” of themselves as objects.  (The lonely child is very particular concerning who he gives his heart to and makes decisions based upon careful consideration.)

The failure to find a healthy mature love activates the punitive parent in both people’s psyche- one for persecution and the other for failure to understand others (cloaked in rescuing behaviors)- this is the “flea” of each others psychiatric trauma that really is a very strong obsessive bond, and one of endless victimization for both parties unless one or the other becomes understanding driven toward self direction.  Guess who has the best chance?  Unfortunately, the mirrored good that the Borderline provided was a very strong drug- and the obsession is outwardly projected (as it always has been) by the lonely child in order to understand and consequently, control it.

It’s at this point that spying, engaging in testing and push/pull behaviors occur as both parties fight for control. Each pours salt in the others core wound.

The understanding driven child tries to understand the Borderline and the Borderline feels misunderstood and persecuted. The understanding driven child retreats to repair their ego and the Borderline lashes out and tries to shame him. The pendulum swings back and forth in clinging and hating and disordered thought and chaos. 

The lonely child tries to uncover what they think the Borderline is hiding from them (triggering bouts of paranoia) or missing (creating dependency issues.)  The angry child threatens to destroy the relationship (as well as themselves = self harm) which triggers immense anger and outrage for both parties. Their love object is broken.

Both parties are in pain- and their egos are easy to "pinch" because they both fear abandonment.   At this point, both core traumas are exposed and the partners are no longer interacting with each other except to arouse each other’s trauma wounds from childhood.

The false self of the lonely child, that the Borderline mirrored, has more ego- as it is directly tied to a “self” which involves coping mechanisms from childhood that mirrored back good.  It was a self that was capable and seeming to have all the answers in the beginning.  When the Borderline tries to destroy it as a failed attachment, it begins to crumble and the lonely child retreats and tries to repair it- essentially wounded to the core. This is also part and parcel of the injury of the smear campaign- and the lonely child may try to return to defend the "self" from being attacked.

Trauma for the lonely child occurs mainly because of perceived failure they cannot “understand” enough (essentially an obsession at this point) and trauma for the Borderline occurs because of anger and abandonment and shame that existed since infancy- and persecution by their inner parent superego for not becoming whole. 

At this point, both parties feel like failures.

Unfortunately, the repair for the lonely child’s self consists of trying again to fix the Borderline "mirror" to reflect the good.  Many attempts will be made by the lonely child (once again) to effect an outcome other than the failed attachment.  The lonely child will try to re-build the self and get the love object (Borderline) to return and resume their compliant mirroring.

Eventually, the fantasy begins to unravel for the lonely child, that they are alone- and the person that the lonely child fell in love with, (the person in the mirror,) was actually YOU.

Who really is the Borderline? Someone who needed you for awhile because they were scared to be alone.

They’re still scared. Forgive them if you can- they are modern day recreations of their own childhood fears.

Now- after reading all of this- You can’t keep going back for more trauma.  Thought The trauma bond must be broken.

After we've let fantasy go- we can turn the focus to healing.  It's good to wonder what our attraction must have been to this person. Whatever clues you have are generally good enough to give you reason that you’ve had experience with this type of personality before- perhaps within your family of origin.

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Radical acceptance comes when you realize that what was mirrored really wasn’t you- it was what *you wanted others to give to you*   It was <<Understanding.>>

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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2014, 07:45:12 AM »

Buddy thank you for your reply and all the info. 

I will read and reread it to try and get a little closer to internal peace inside myself.
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2014, 08:35:57 AM »

Right on target! Buddy I like your posts. You are spot on.

2010 is a legend here. Read every 2010 post you can. It will

help immensely. I'm still here 17 months out of a one year r/s

and I struggle every day longing for one more hit off the crack

pipe. Don't do it. I'm 23 days NC ( again!) and let me tell you

It's the ONLY way. It's painful but so much less than continuing

to be used and manipulated by my BPD xgf. God Bless all of us here.


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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2014, 08:45:25 AM »

I agree Buddy!

Love2give... . reading that post from 2010 has given me a greater understanding to the part that I played in my r/s with my exBPDw

It allowed me to touch the surface on the issues of my codependency so I could open up to understanding of all of it!

I have reread it countless times so I can journal more of my own thoughts and feelings about who I was... . and who I am!

I would say that if you can journal AND work with a T then it will help you tremendously!

Yes and God Bless you and everyone else here... . it is a long and winding road for all!

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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2014, 09:32:34 AM »

Its ironic. I went to so much therapy after my bitter ex wife accused me of terrible things all in an attempt to get full custody of my kids and hence more $$$.

After many sessions I was finally at peace and a much better person in my soul. At peace.  When I met my BPD girl i told myself all that work and therapy paid off as I finally found someone who want me for me.  She was so impressed that I worked so hard on myself.  Near the end she kept telling me I have issues and I needed help.  She was perfectly fine of course.

All this to say I now feel more damaged than ever before.   To think about the rebuilding I have to do to my soul again is discouraging.  I cant even afford therapy anymore cause of my on going custody battle.

Life will get better right? If it weren't for my kids I dont think id be here anymore.
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2014, 10:03:31 AM »

Its ironic. I went to so much therapy after my bitter ex wife accused me of terrible things all in an attempt to get full custody of my kids and hence more $$$.

Life will get better right? If it weren't for my kids I dont think id be here anymore.

I can relate to $$$ as my ex used the kids as a levearage for a means because she didn't work.

She pays attention to the paramour and the kids are neglected. I took her to court and got shared custody.

My kids are therapeutic for me and keep me grounded. Good luck in court love2give.
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2014, 11:16:21 AM »

L to G,

When my current relationship ended with my PD  after I left. I eventually wound up looking for answers for the unusual characteristics of my partners behaviors. I wondered too why my ex wasn't trying to suck me back in like what seemed to be the norm. As I think back now that she had started to devalue me from her behaviors and gave me the silent treatment more frequently, communication fell to a new low, she was pulling away, yet kept pulling me back, trying to keep me at a distance... . just opposite of what I was wanting to occur. Being hip-deep in my codependence at the time, I struggled to understand and fix it, writhing about on the hook that was tearing me apart emotionally. The pain was great enough I knew I had to end my relationship with her. I was the one to break up, and it infuriated her. She attempted to Charm me as I ended it, but became enraged when the attempt failed. Her last words were all damaging... . "I hope you know what you've done" , " we have nothing in common now", "never contact me again", " don't waste my time". No good bye or closure.

I'm not sure closure would be anything any better than the rest of the relationships story. If they could somehow, in the unlikely event, be aware and communicative enough to say why they feel it wasn't working for them, from their own perspective, I don't believe I would have been capable of understanding it at that time, having no knowledge about the workings of a PD's thought processes and emotions. I had so much of my own emotion to deal with at the time, I just don't think I had the capacity to worry about her at the time anyway. I needed to focus on my survival first. And really the only thing I would have been able to be happy to have received from her was that she had come realize that she needed professional help and was wanting to commit to taking the many difficult steps toward understanding her own behaviors and being aware of what I needed. Obviously the odds of that occurring were unlikely. No contact was a gift for me, and for her as well, giving me the time to gain insight and feel the loss of my relationship. I know in my heart I would have tried to fix it, but there are some things better left off being left broken.

I went thru individual and couples therapy in the mid to late 80's after my undiagnosed wife who was probably a PD, had an affair and abruptly left me for several months. We started to divorice, but she eventually charmd me, threw me a few crumbs and I gladly took it as an opportunity to "save" our relationship and family. The therapies I went thru seemed to be designed to put patches and fixes on the relationship to hold it together to keep the family intact. The truth is it should have died, and both of us gone our separate ways. Individual therapy alone would have been much better for me, especially if it would have been able to get to the point of working on the underlying core issues from my FOO. I'm working on it now, 30 years later.
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2014, 12:20:43 PM »

All this to say I now feel more damaged than ever before.   To think about the rebuilding I have to do to my soul again is discouraging.  I cant even afford therapy anymore cause of my on going custody battle.

Life will get better right? If it weren't for my kids I dont think id be here anymore.

Oh Love2give, it will get better   

It is so discouraging I know, I was in a really good place (I thought) when I met this one, the man I believed was the one for me for the rest of my life, the culmination of all of my hard work and therapy!  He turned out to be the opposite, my nemesis in fact.  But in a strange way it's as if the wall of mist that I couldn't quite see through has been blown away.  Although I'm battered and broken, I feel strangely whole.  There is no more illusion.  I am here alone with just me.  Reading that post by 2010 is another clue, a big one, in the rebuilding.  I think the thing is, I've been rebuilding the same mess over and over.  This time I'm going to make something completely better and shiny using all this new information.

Just put one foot in front of the other, one tiny step at a time.  Appreciate every little bit of warmth and happiness you feel, however fleeting.  I ask myself all the time where I am exactly at this moment?  Am I warm, dry, safe, fed, do I have people who care about me, is my body healthy, have I still got some dreams?  Am I capable of loving?  Am I capable of letting myself feel pain? 

Stay strong and stay here... .

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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2014, 04:48:12 AM »

Feeling I never got closure from my exBPD girlfriend I figured after a month of waiting, wondering and reading about what might be going on in her head, I would create my own closure.

This past Thursday I wrote her an email explaining for the last time how I felt about her and also pointed out all the positives we had.  Seeing as she ignores all my messages I added that I think we should have supper together Monday night (tonight) and to let me know by Sunday (yesterday).  I also added that if she answered "no" or if she ignored my message I would give up on us and move on as I can not make us work alone.

Well of course Sunday came and went with no answer.   So yes its a downer right now.  The reason I am writing this morning is this... . Shortly after we started dating she started getting paranoid about me being on facebook a lot which is furthest from the truth. In fact after a few arguments about it I deactivated my account only to reactivate it when she moved out.  We got back together about a week after (living apart though) and again she would question how often I was on FB.

Since she decided to end us I have been quite down and have been on FB more often.  I have noticed so many LIKES and comments on her friends FB (male and female) that were done all WHILE we were dating. So here she was accusing me and she was on all along.  I also noticed around the time of her last two break-ups from her ex's how she PROUDLY writes that when guys don't appreciate what they have in her she gives them the  "ROYAL AXE LOL".  She actually laughs about dumping them because she says they don't realize how great she is and then they want her back because they only realize when its to late.

She would also question if I LIKE other womens pics on FB.  I explained to her that out of respect for her and because I loved her I never would and only LIKE kids pics and family pics of my FB friends.  She agreed and said she felt the same way.

Well I found her liking pics of a male friend fishing with his shirt off (built guy) yet not a single like on the next five pics of his kids.

I know this Is out if hurt but seeing as it is completely over now I get the urge to let her know I know her true colors and game now.  Her other boyfriends weren't looking for these things so she laughed at their break ups.  I want her to know that I have seen who she really is and that her attitude is heartless and wrong.  It's over so why shouldn't I end it by letting her know this with an email?

Sorry but Im just really hurt.  Want some opinions and pros and cons on sending her a final email on this.

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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2014, 01:56:54 PM »

Speaking of his exBPD ‘Buddy1226 said’:

“She is passive. She knows that drives me nuts. She starved a rabbit when she was a little girl just to watch it die but that's another story. My point is that your ex knows this is eating you alive and she is getting off on it.”

I agree, love2give – you’ve contacted her just enough for her to know she’s in control, so she’s starving you, and likely enjoying it.  Ya know, the reason I’m here is to get over my 2.5 year BPD affair, and reading something like Buddy mentioned about starving a rabbit (any worse than boiling one?) … I need to hear that - they are sick human beings …and at times, nowhere near ‘humane.’  

Mutt had said:

“I can tell you this that my ex was good at hiding r/s's with another man and I suspect that there were more.”

I’m convinced as well mine wasn’t sleeping with other men, but she constantly teased and trolled for them.  Just receiving their ‘loving, wanting looks’ was enough for her… and this would happen in front of me   If yours simply has another ‘love prospect,’ that’s enough for her to ignore you while pursuing ‘him.’  And there again, having you hanging on gives the reassurance that if it goes nowhere with a new one …she’s still got you…

Buddy1226 said:  “The other thing, man is if she is BPD you need to hang this up. You not only don't want her but there is no way you can have a relationship with her. The very nature of this disorder is that they can't have relationships Literally, by definition, she will destroy anything you have and likely enjoy doing it.

After seven recycles, I’m in total agreement with Buddy’s statement.  They just can’t do it – no matter how hard they want to.  Initially, I believe they always want to make ‘this one’ work – but they can’t.  And, they’re willing to blame it on you?  How dare them!

…I’m responding as I read, having followed your prior post (that got blocked), and agree with Buddy1226’s entire first response here…  If what you’re doing hasn’t worked – do the opposite.  And if you get nothing - you had nothing.  That’s the overall conclusion from my affair with uBPDexgf  – there was/ is nothing there, she’s fake – she’s whatever the guy she’s talking to ‘wants her to be.’  You’d moved in with yours, I never got past playing house on weekends.  When you’re in such close proximity they don’t have the energy or ability to remain ‘fake’ fulltime.  And once you’ve seen the real them – behavior, not only without makeup – they can’t take that back or live it down.  So they run, to find someone else to fool …then feed on their admiration until they’ve gobbled them up as well.  Their lives are cycles of pain that we can not control ... . or in most cases even help…  

Love2give, you described the petty fights she’d constantly pick.  My take is that shortly after they’ve put you on their pedestal - they begin looking for flaws…  They have to first pretend they’ve found perfection in order to put forth the energy it takes to be fake.  As their fake behavior becomes unsustainable, they look for ‘reasons’ to throttle back.  It’s not us that’s changed, so we’re confused as to why all of a sudden they’re upset?  It’s a no-win scenario.  They just get their fix, and move on …I’m afraid it’s that simple.  And like a hard drug, we’re left to detox from withdrawals alone in the gutter … as they’re likely watching   because apparently they like to watch things suffer, as they do.  They are sick, and there’s no cure.  

I also find pasting ‘quotes’ difficult, and apologize - this was from Buddy1226 again:

“…you're a doll for her play, you'll be left broken while she laughs.”

As I agree with everything being said -- that’s so accurate!  With the emotional maturity of a six year old – we are merely their dolls.  And, they’re not very nice to their toys…  Is that the kind of adult we want, or deserve … someone perhaps capable of killing us in our sleep?  They don’t even know who they are – so how can we?  And in the case of ‘mine,’ she wouldn’t even admit having BPD – as it’s ruined and continues to rule her life.  

They know they’re messed up deep and perhaps don’t want or can’t accept finding out just ‘how deep.’  I know they peek at places ‘like this,’ they know we’re right.  So having exposed themselves to us, then deathly afraid we’ll blow their cover – they begin attempting to undercut our credibility by painting us black, targeting their next prospect and running away.  Our expectations of them had become too high, so it’s easier to flee than face the facts.  As adults, we’re left to face those facts, and it’s not always pretty…  But that’s what adults do.  But, we also live and learn, and the lessons we learn are productive and healthy.  What BPD’s appear to learn is how to more quickly capture and feed on their next victim – if in record time

--- looks like I’ve a big post to read of ‘2010’s’ … I’m looking forward to it, as well as those that follow…  I’m closing in on 3 months NC, after 7 recycles.  And there’s a reason I’ve now hit 200 posts here -- it keeps me grounded in the reality of what I had – nothing but false promises and unfulfilled dreams.  An honest woman will not lie to you, she will work toward fulfilling her promises and your combined dreams.  It’s a much longer process but creates a stable foundation.  We have not dealt with stability or honesty.  Perhaps our BP’s tried, but, as their life histories attest – they’ve yet again failed.  And while we must think ‘we’re the one’ capable of seeing them through and finally making it work …all we’ve done is provide more of the temporary hope they feed on.  

…and when they refuse to proceed in a healthy direction and return to their familiar destructive patterns, we have a choice.  We can follow, further damaging ourselves while ultimately providing little real or lasting help to them – or forge ahead into what appears to be a very dark, cold and scary night alone.  But as you can see (my friend), you are no alone – and you will never be!  Your children will mature and your family will remain there for you.  Your BPDex will eventually have neither …her pleasure, however perverse, is only and always temporary.  Focus on and prepare yourself for what you deserve – and though at this moment, ‘she’ (the healthy woman you deserve) may not even know who you are … some day she will – and ‘she’ will be worthy of your love.  You’ve simply missed a curve … so treat your wounds …and proceed with caution.  There are plenty more curves out there – but I’ll bet you’re gonna see them coming from a lot further back.  And – your straightaway lies ahead  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2014, 04:55:22 PM »

L2G – just finished the entire post… and am yet again impressed by the compassion, competence and camaraderie around here.  …but then what would one expect when supposedly surrounded by enabling care giving co-dependant’s Smiling (click to insert in post)  

Regarding an email describing what you know and understand about her, please don’t.  As so clinically described by 2010’s description, they’re wallowing in guild & shame as is … so let her.  And if she wants to feel you’ll always be there for her, again, let her.  Granted, there’s no way we can move on faster than them – cuz we hadn’t been targeting their replacement while convincing them we loved them…  So don’t feel you’re damaged goods or defective in any way just becauses she’s apparently latched on to someone else … just wait for him to begin posting here along with us

And wow – some powerfully insightful stuff from ‘2010’ … I may also copy and add that to my … five or so ‘Word documents’ of collective wisdom.  …and though reading most of his paragraphs three times before thinking I ‘got it,’ here’s one I found relevant to where you’re currently at:

2010: “Unfortunately, the repair for the lonely child’s self consists of trying again to fix the Borderline "mirror" to reflect the good.  Many attempts will be made by the lonely child (once again) to effect an outcome other than the failed attachment.  The lonely child will try to re-build the self and get the love object (Borderline) to return and resume their compliant mirroring.”

We (lonely children) can not ‘repair ourselves’ by repairing them.  They ‘appear’ forever broken, thus their refection of our needs will always be skewed and temporary …as the mirror will soon be shattered.  

To capture us, they pretend to be who we project as needing … so let’s project someone who actually surpasses our needs!

And I guess we need to stop trying to understand and/ or repairing damaged beings … and move on to those who aren’t damaged?  …my fear is the time it takes to build a healthy relationship.  But I suspect when given the time I’ve/ we’ve wasted (and continue to waste) on this one …a healthy one is worth the wait.  Another fear is that of those my age and unattached being of sound mind & body has become quite limited …as I now envision Border-lions prowling the paths of life.  And though we’ll likely spot them now … how many other PD’s remain lurking for in the jungle of life?  

But no – don’t reach out to her in any form.  She deserves nothing, and if you care to be punitive –  No Contact will speak louder than words!

Here,

Stay strong and stay here... .

Janey xx

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2014, 05:00:41 PM »

Thank you very much.

I will not send anything.  Time to at least try and focus on myself and my family.
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2014, 01:02:31 PM »

L2G


…as I now envision Border-lions prowling the paths of life.  And though we’ll likely spot them now … how many other PD’s remain lurking for in the jungle of life?  

Inside, I love this... . all of your post actually, but I will be on the lookout for the prowling Border-lions from now on!   

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