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« on: October 27, 2014, 12:33:27 AM »

Hi all,

I just have some questions regarding some of the techniques to cope with a pwBPD. I'm 8 weeks out of a relationship with my ex, and I guess I'm still going through a weird phase where occasionally I look back and assess things and how they could've been different. Although deep down I do know that things would've ended the same way.

I think at the start of the relationship I didn't have a very good idea of what she suffered from (like many others going into relationships with pwBPD). I knew something was a bit off, but had no idea of the condition... .didn't even know it existed. As a result, I wasn't equipped to handle it and I think there were definitely times where I could've handled conflicts better or not been so defensive.

As time went on, I learnt a bit better about how to deal with the situations... .learnt to try just listen and validate, not to engage as much, etc. However, I found that over time, even when I used this approach the same issues or problems would get brought up be her... .over and over again as if our previous discussions had never happened; also, often during her discussions she would imply that I need to "fix" the problem or deal with it, when in reality the "problem" is based off of her distortions and it cannot be fixed. We went to couples counselling together, and the counsellor described these techniques to me... .after which I had the following questions:

1) Yes, the non-BPD can validate and hear and be understanding over and over again. But where does that leave the non-BPD in the bigger picture? I mentioned how incredibly exhausting the whole process can be and how its so damn hard not to get defensive over time. When is there ever a soft place for the non-BPD to fall back onto?

2) How are these techniques applicable when the pwBPD has extreme behavioural episodes? My ex has fought with my family members, created dramas at special family events... .What the heck was I meant to do about this? Just validate and hear her out and everybody else must just move on?

3) How can one possibly deal with this when the same issues arise over and over again? It is like new information cannot be assimilated by these people. I'm a patient guy, but how patient does one have to be? It is like I could never win.

Just want to know what you guys think of these techniques... .if any of you have had any success using these them or experienced similar feelings as I've mentioned above.

Cheers.


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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2014, 02:25:17 AM »

It's tremendously hard even if you have all of the knowledge.  "Validating" and just communicating in language that they can understand is a herculean effort.  At the end of the day is it worth it to be in a relationship where simple communication is almost impossible.

It also depends a lot on the pwBPD.  I guess some are more manageable than others.

Regardless is it ever worth it,  it's just so difficult and such effort,  almost impossible to relax
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2014, 02:35:28 AM »

I have no intention to validate her ever ! She talks in circles, so there's no use trying.
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2014, 02:53:31 AM »

There are good validation tools on the Staying board if you're interested in understanding it more deeply.

Poor behavior isn't something that folks here recommend be "validated."  Validation has to do with underlying emotions only, not the behavior and not the stated predicate for the crappy feelings.  It's not "I can really understand why you'd want to ruin the dinner party."  It's "can you help me understand what was going on for you there?" and then "I get that when you're feeling really angry it seems stupid to have some social event where everyone is acting happy and like everything is fine."

On the other hand, the recommended approach for bad behavior or abusive rage is to remove yourself from it.  Don't try to validate in the middle of it, and make clear what your boundaries are -- and that you're not condemning the person, you just need not to participate in or be subjected to this bad behavior.  "I won't stick around to hear that I don't care and am selfish. I'm taking a walk and will be back in a few hours.  If you want to talk about things then I'd be glad to."

With some pwBPD, on the Staying board, it is reported that enough of this over time may cause the pwBPD to stop using these behaviors, which after all are meant to manipulate and achieve some sort of compliance and control.  If they fail, they may be discontinued.

I'm not vouching that after all that, one ends up with a relationship worth having, but the techniques truly are intended to "stop making it worse" and often seem to achieve that objective.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2014, 05:59:50 AM »

I had zero luck with doing any of that.  If I had, I might have continued to try.  In my situation, he never knew why he did anything.  I could never understand as much as I tried.  It was always a different answer each time I asked.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2014, 07:48:17 AM »

1) Yes, the non-BPD can validate and hear and be understanding over and over again. But where does that leave the non-BPD in the bigger picture? I mentioned how incredibly exhausting the whole process can be and how its so damn hard not to get defensive over time. When is there ever a soft place for the non-BPD to fall back onto?

I don't recall ever having a soft place to fall back onto. I feel like I was always supposed to be strong for him and support him in whatever he was doing/feeling but he did not do the same for me. I am trying to remember a time when he would support me and be there for me and I honestly can't remember much outside of the times when I was pregnant.

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2) How are these techniques applicable when the pwBPD has extreme behavioural episodes? My ex has fought with my family members, created dramas at special family events... .What the heck was I meant to do about this? Just validate and hear her out and everybody else must just move on?

I don't think that you are supposed to validate the invalid. If a family member is frustrating your partner, you can validate the frustration without validating the behavior. Something along the lines of "I understand that Auntie Weirdo is annoying." without saying that it is okay to pick a fight with Auntie.

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3) How can one possibly deal with this when the same issues arise over and over again? It is like new information cannot be assimilated by these people. I'm a patient guy, but how patient does one have to be? It is like I could never win.

It is very, very difficult. I have been married to mine for 16.5 years. The same issues keep arising between us because he will tell me what I want to hear but not actually do anything different. And, he is really good about twisting things and making me feel like I am being impatient or demanding. I continually bring up the lack of intimacy between us because it is very difficult to have a relationship with somebody that seems to be unplugged. I could spend lots and lots of time with him and would still feel like he wasn't really there. I know I am not making that up because I have had other people tell me the same thing about him.

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Just want to know what you guys think of these techniques... .if any of you have had any success using these them or experienced similar feelings as I've mentioned above.

Before I ever read the stuff on these boards, I was familiar with validation techniques from the parenting stuff that I had been reading. I didn't know there was a name for a lot of what I had been doing. The problem that I have had with the techniques is that the more I validated, the more he wanted validated. He was so hungry for praise that I could never give him enough. He wants praise for the tiniest of things. The more I gave, the more he wanted. It is infuriating and exhausting and I ran out of steam.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2014, 05:27:33 PM »

It is like I could never win.

you want to win?  DON'T PLAY!   
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