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« on: April 02, 2016, 01:58:47 PM »

Hi guys - i feel really bad ul b so disappointed at me but i just stopped any attempt of being the better person - but enough is enough - im well and truly going to detach full steam now! Cannot believe last night was crying going through old texts - was just about to send the text about when ur ready il reach out - ive found out from his sister he is seeing someone! I feel like such a mug so i sent a message saying what i thought of it! Somthing like i cannot believe u didnt tell me wheres ur balls - i thought u wernt in a state to be with anyone - at least i can move on now --- but now i feel guilty that he will self harm or something cos ive sent that now! I just didnt want to use my wise mind - i cant believe it he told people he still loved me - i still had hope i thought he was going to focus on himself! 
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2016, 07:34:18 PM »

Hi guys - i feel really bad ul b so disappointed at me but i just stopped any attempt of being the better person

Why would we be disappointed CB? We all go up & down in trying to heal.

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Cannot believe last night was crying going through old texts

I think everybody here has done that. Natural thing to do in grieving.

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was just about to send the text about when ur ready il reach out - ive found out from his sister he is seeing someone! I feel like such a mug so i sent a message saying what i thought of it! Somthing like i cannot believe u didnt tell me wheres ur balls - i thought u wernt in a state to be with anyone - at least i can move on now

Hmmmm... When we broke up the 2nd time my ex said he could never be in a relationship (a rare moment of clarity on his part I guess). Two days later I hear from a colleague he said that when he got a permanent contract it would be time to get himself a girlfriend. I felt devastated. I had no real idea of BPD back then. I made him see I was hurt, but wasn't honest about the why, as I didn't want to get into the "but you said that you could never" argument and because I didn't want to betray my colleague for telling me. He would have shunned her. So I *so* get how you feel. If he would have gotten himself a gf back then I probably would have wanted him and expected him to tell me. But if I'm honest, he didn't have any obligation to do so.

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--- but now i feel guilty that he will self harm or something cos ive sent that now! I just didnt want to use my wise mind

Are you responsible for what he does or his wellbeing? No.

Besides you don't know for sure he will. Maybe he's so into the idealization phase of this new relationship he has no urge to self harm. Did he self harm a lot?

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- i cant believe it he told people he still loved me

It's the same as with the "I'm not in the right state for a relationship now". He probably meant it when he said it. Because it felt like he did then. Five minutes later he feels different so he says something else. It's BPD. They change their opinion, their view, their emotions more often than you can keep track of. And meanwhile you're thinking "WTH? Didn't he just say A? And now he says B? Am I deaf? Did I mishear? Am I nuts?"

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i still had hope i thought he was going to focus on himself! 

Ahhhhh... .What exactly was your hope? To get back together? Do you realize it takes many years of therapy and incredible dedication of a pwBPD to get any progress in managing their BPD? Were you planning on waiting for him for years? What idea/vision did you have of the near future?
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2016, 08:34:50 PM »

That stinks... .so sorry. We all seem to continue to worry about them after we break up. It's like we think we have to protect them after they were so awful to us. The besting to do is no reaction, but if you said something mean... .oh well. I have done it too. It just shows you care. It's drama... .they like it. But don't beat yourself up and I doubt if he is with someone else, he is upset about anything you say... trust me- I have been there. Be strong.
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2016, 03:05:03 AM »

Quote... .Ahhhhh... .What exactly was your hope? To get back together? Do you realize it takes many years of therapy and incredible dedication of a pwBPD to get any progress in managing their BPD? Were you planning on waiting for him for years? What idea/vision did you have of the near future?


Hi guys thanks for the support and solidarity!

Ok I do get the above quote - but I had the impression or the hope he was going to do the above - I cannot quite convey just how close we were and how at 2/3rds of relationship he was focused on healing- he had a setback yes and led to him ending things-but I genuinely hoped he would be starting that journey again -instead he is getting caught up with some female -who god knows what she is getting out of that mess-he was drinking heavily and self harming at the end of our relationship -part of the reason for splitting up is that he has ocd as well and relationship ocd that was difficult to manage -so again cannot believe he has gotten together with someone

It is a blessing in some ways as I can properly let go now -before I was wondering how the hell I was going to move on-and had fears I'd waste years and my chance of meeting someone better for me -the power of my connection to him is insane 

I knew I'd have to make changes and be strong and I thought we would work through things -he is an intelligent degree educated person -people can recover if they put effort in

quote------because I didn't want to betray my colleague for telling me. He would have shunned her. So I *so* get how you feel----

to the above quote I didn't say where I got the info from -but I feel guilty now as it was his sister---but end of day I got on well with his sister and she told me woman to woman-I haven't said where I got the info from -  I asked her directly about whether he was back with his ex as I saw a picture of them all on facebook -but that was a very old picture--- and she decided to tell me -he doesn't communicate with her now and she's had a new baby -I think because he knows his sisters think how he has treated me is bad -they have all offered him money for therapy etc... .I was close to them all -especially after he was in crisis after a suicidal gesture back in Jan 2014 - I didn't know it was BPD then -only at end of relationship -and it's almost as though he has taken the diagnosis as an excuse to act like a ***** rather than any genuine way of making any understanding and seek appropriate treatment

--do you think it was wrong of me to contact him about the new female? I just couldn't stop myself

I realise i am as bad as him -I should have just sat on that info - I m at least seeing just how in the thick of it he is and there is no hope in a reasonable time that he will get things together or attempt to -which will help me detach

Im not going to lie -I did at points feel like we would be like johnny cash and june carter
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2016, 03:16:54 AM »

Please don't waste time worrying about them. Have concern for yourself first of all. When the discard happens you are emotionally beaten up, bruised and reeling from it all. Be easy on yourself and forgive yourself if you feel your standards are compromised. You will recover in time. You will also be a stronger person.
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2016, 07:52:45 AM »

It seems you're feeling somewhat free. I'm happy for you:)

--do you think it was wrong of me to contact him about the new female? I just couldn't stop myself

Nope, not wrong. Just ineffective for your wellbeing and more trouble for you.

I m at least seeing just how in the thick of it he is and there is no hope in a reasonable time that he will get things together or attempt to -which will help me detach

Some people recover, some don't. Takes some 3 years, takes some 20 years and things get worse.

I realise i am as bad as him -I should have just sat on that info

If you're feeling reactive remember one thing that we learn as nons is that we have greater control over our feelings than they do. If a BP is dysregulated, simply sitting there stewing isn't going to work for him; as a non, what else can you do for yourself at times like that?
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2016, 08:11:27 AM »

Quote... .Ahhhhh... .What exactly was your hope? To get back together? Do you realize it takes many years of therapy and incredible dedication of a pwBPD to get any progress in managing their BPD? Were you planning on waiting for him for years? What idea/vision did you have of the near future?

Ok I do get the above quote - but I had the impression or the hope he was going to do the above

And he probably meant it when he told you he would. Because at the time he felt he needed or wanted to work on himself. Five minutes later he will feel something else and the working on himself is out the window.

That 's one of the reasons being in therapy is very difficult for a pwBPD. When we go into therapy there might be days we think "I don't feel like it" "I'm not sure the therapist gets me" "it's too hard" but overall we will have a rational little voice that says "but it's good for me. Come on, get up, and go". When a pwBPD feels the therapist doesn't get him, or it's too hard, or he doesn't need it, he stops going. The rational voice isn't there. Feelings are facts.

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- I cannot quite convey just how close we were and how at 2/3rds of relationship he was focused on healing- he had a setback yes and led to him ending things-but I genuinely hoped he would be starting that journey again -instead he is getting caught up with some female -who god knows what she is getting out of that mess-

Every time a pwBPD meets someone that they think is the answer to all their pain, the one that can save them, the one they have this super connection with, they go with that. "Why go through therapy? This person holds the key to my happiness" He felt you were the key to his happiness. He now feels she is the key to his happiness. After her there will be many other keys. What she's getting out of this mess? Maybe he hasn't shown her his life is a mess; pwBPD are very good at hiding things and spinning a lovely picture in front of your eyes. So probably she's getting exactly the same out of it you were. And so will the one after that, and the one after that. Don't focus on him or her. Focus on you. What did you get out of it?

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he was drinking heavily and self harming at the end of our relationship -part of the reason for splitting up is that he has ocd as well and relationship ocd that was difficult to manage -so again cannot believe he has gotten together with someone

The drinking, self harming and OCD (getting worse) are signs of stress. He doesn't know how to handle all these emotions (it's a non-stop tornado inside) which gives him stress so he looks for things to suppress the emotions and alleviate the stress. Or people. So finding someone else he feels has an amazing connection with, that can save him, makes him feel better. Hey presto! Problem solved! Or so he thinks...

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I knew I'd have to make changes and be strong and I thought we would work through things -he is an intelligent degree educated person -people can recover if they put effort in

That's what we all thought. We all thought with our support we could save them. We can't.

And a high intelligence doesn't mean a pwBPD has any more control over his internal tornado than a less intelligent pwBPD. Smarter doesn't mean anything in this respect. Apart from getting better at hiding stuff.

And no, pwBPD cannot recover. BPD is not the flue or a broken leg. It does not go away. Ever. It isn't something you can take out. Their personality is disordered. You cannot take out their personality and put in a fresh one. They can learn with medication, therapy or both to manage their BPD. How to handle it so they don't go overboard all the time.

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I didn't know it was BPD then -only at end of relationship- and it's almost as though he has taken the diagnosis as an excuse to act like a ***** rather than any genuine way of making any understanding and seek appropriate treatment

You're expecting him to act and think rational about his diagnosis. As you would if for example you got a diagnosis for diabetes or any other chronic disease. He doesn't think like you do.

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--do you think it was wrong of me to contact him about the new female? I just couldn't stop myself

I don't know. I know it cost me a lot not to confront my ex with his remarks about getting himself a new gf, and I still couldn't control my emotions I just lied about why I was emotional. So I understand you couldn't stop yourself. But wrong... Wrong in what respect?

That you confronted him and he now thinks A, B or C about you? That you confronted him and now you think he won't come back to you? That you contributed to the drama?

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I m at least seeing just how in the thick of it he is and there is no hope in a reasonable time that he will get things together or attempt to -which will help me detach

Good. Focus on yourself. Focus on healing from this and what you got out of this. Why you thought you could or should save him.

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Im not going to lie -I did at points feel like we would be like johnny cash and june carter

The film about their romance was nice. But it's a romanticized film and it ended when they got together. We didn't get to see if there was emotional or physical abuse in their 35 year marriage.

Love isn't supposed to be about saving someone else. Love isn't supposed to hurt. Just because films, books and songs (all made by creatives, the people who usually suffer from some kind of mental imbalance) describe it that way doesn't mean that is healthy love.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2016, 04:22:34 PM »

Thanks for replies peeps

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I'm feeling so much better with the knowledge I have been given by his sister. She is a godsend. I know I'm going to have days where I cry and feel bad still but no where near what I've been feeling -I can actually let go! I was frightened I'd never get over him properly and he would always have a hold on me

I knew things did not add up about the reasons why he was splitting up with me and the silence since -----His game has been thwarted! -I cannot believe he was going to leave me hanging like I was for god knows how long --hedging his bets -keeping me on the roast in case things go tits up with this new piece -or if he starts to regret  his impulsive decisions----the manipulation is deep! The pain he would know he was causing is immense ---- I want to know when he started devaluing me to such a level where this is even possible behaviour for him to contemplate against me-there is no integrity there --I cannot work it out at all-he convinced me to move in with him and that he was dedicated to recovery -we were so close / in love-and he threw it away for what-something more meaningless I guess as that's easier to handle... .I met his family, nephews, he showed me his grandparents grave, he introduced me to his surrogate father figure, bought me really meaningful beautiful jewellery, wrote me beautiful cards and messages, put messages in my lunch that I'd find in work, we'd laugh at everything, we loved nature, music

He was doing well in therapy -the next stage was psychotherapy and he just threw in the towel and said he didn't want to do it anymore--it didn't make sense? ( probably thought he could get an easier ride with this dumb female instead -without needing to do any work on his self )

I sent him numerous texts yesterday describing my disbelief and shock etc... .I had one reply back from him -not apologizing -not comforting me -just: " I am at work I'll try to contact you later -I will pay money when get internet access -can you please tell me how you know anything about my current situation"

For a bit I got paranoid and panicky worrying about impact on his sister etc... .I got in touch with her with my worries-she got straight back to me and said to me just tell him the truth exactly as it happened -she said she has nothing to hide -as she was unaware it was a secret -she is so lovely -she has been really supportive of me

--I haven't told him where I got news from yet -I sent another message saying I want him to answer my questions 1st

I know many of you will say its a disorder etc -it wont make sense -don't expect too much etc... .but he was aware he was repeating dysfunctional behaviour -I. e the reasons for getting help -yes recovery is hard -and I'm well aware that it means the symptoms don't disappear but are managed-but if someone is truly dedicated they will do it--it takes balls but it can be done - the human mind is fantastic new neural pathways can be created all the time -with repeated focused work -that's why stroke victims recover with repeated re learning of tasks ---that's why brains change after meditation -that is why mindfulness is a tool for BPD recovery

There is a movement within the field of mental health called anti- psychiatry ----labels and diagnosis are useful in order to categorise people -however every human being is unique and the western world suffers from a lack of spiritual focus ---people can regain a connection to the vital divine nature within all of us the black or the dark does not have to prevail ---with courage, responsibility and focus people can make change --these are my beliefs I know may not be shared by all on here

I want you to know when I got with him there was no sign of mental disorder what so ever for around 6 months -we met in a band -everyone thought he was lovely -he had a job, car, shared a flat ---I was not looking for a boyfriend in particular -I was not looking for someone I could "save" quite the opposite- which is why he appealed to me as he appeared very independent -he did say he had drank a bit in past but I assumed this was student day type drinking which lots of people do -I thought he was being conscious and awake person by sharing all this so openly--- he disclosed about ocd after 6 months-I was the only person he had told -I didn't think that a reason to split from him -I advised he seek help I know cbt helps with that -I lay my cards on the table and said that I feel people have to take responsibility for their own issues-we had similar foo experiences -he was against his dad's irresponsible behaviour -he agreed ---I was very in love with him -when the crazy controlling type behaviour started I thought it was linked to ocd so ignored it and assumed he would work on it and it would get better -he did a suicidal gesture Jan 2014 -my instinct was to leave then -but hope kept me prisoner -and kept me prisoner ever since ---even up to Friday night -it is only with this info from his sister I can let go as I know he has crossed a line now -the depths of the manipulation are low -he had the choice of recovery or impulsive reactive behaviour -he doesn't have the strength at this time obviously ---but seriously I don't know what this other female is getting as he has upped his drinking he has anger issues when drunk, he has let himself go physically --ah well its her issue now not mine




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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2016, 04:31:19 PM »

but she must know his life is a mess as he got banned from playing in the band as he caused a scene when drunk last time he did -people at his job knew what band he was in -so would know he suddenly couldn't play in it -unless he has lied about why he is not in it anymore -
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2016, 04:34:43 PM »

I doubt he has amazing connection with her he is probably using her - this is why he had me on the roast I believe -in case he changed his mind about his reckless impulsive behaviours -why not brag to me and others about her then?
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