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Author Topic: The Mirrors that Got Us Involved and to Stay in the Relationship  (Read 372 times)
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« on: July 29, 2017, 09:49:49 AM »

It is true that not everyone fits into a particular model when it comes to finding a partner and entering a relationship. There are some characteristics of these are common for the members here however. Just like BPD is a spectrum disorder and thus not every one of our situations are the same but have many overlaps; the same can be said about the non side of things.

We are all unique individuals. We all have our own traits and reasons for getting involved with and staying in a relationship with a pwBPD. This is why we are here.

It is the reasons that we get involved and stay in the relationship that need to be looked at and addressed. We each own our own reasons for doing so. Several years ago, a member here, 2010, wrote a post that gives some insight into what we are talking about. It is reply #7 in the workshop From idealization to devaluation - why we struggle. When viewed from this perspective, we own just as much culpability as our pwBPD does for the relationship.

When we deny this, we deny that we have our own issues that got us involved and kept us involved with a pwBPD. If we deny those, then we cannot grow and work to move past them and there is a very real likelihood that we will repeat the patterns of our past.

The approach that I took to this was to figure out what my x did during the idealization phase that was so captivating to me. Then, I was able to figure out why those things were so important to me that I was willing to overlook her behaviors in order to try to keep those things in my life.

  • Body image issues  Bullet: completed (click to insert in post) she made me feel like I was the most attractive man in the world
  • insecurities about my creativity  Bullet: completed (click to insert in post) she made me feel like everything that I did was outstanding
  • Not good enough  Bullet: completed (click to insert in post) she made me feel like I could do no wrong
  • unworthy  Bullet: completed (click to insert in post) she made me feel like I was the the best and finest person she had ever had the opportunity to be involved with

The list goes on. My point is that pwBPD mirror. We show them what we are looking for by treating them as we want to be treated and they mirror it back.  Clearmind's post in the workshop (reply #15) provides another example of what I'm talking about.

As a healthier and more confident person, there is no longer a need for those to be mirrored back. But, I had to know what the mirrors triggered within myself to start to take that power away from others and give it back to myself.

What mirrors did your pwBPD show you during the idealization phase that affected you and caused you to make the choices that you made?
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 04:17:42 PM »

Meili, I enjoy your insight. For me, the word 'mirror' doesn't fit; I have to replace it with 'need'. When uBPD person came closer to me, my husband had just died. I had spent 2 years where every thought was about trying to keep him alive; I didn't exist as a person in my own right any more and had no idea what I liked or wanted. All around me was death and end of life, and my in-law family was busy with my sick mum in law. I had no-one close to me and felt I could die and no-one would notice. I wouldn't even have minded. So I needed somebody for whom I was important. Someone to sit with me and listen to me and talk to me and find me interesting. Someone to fill the massive hole left... .someone to look after. Someone to show me that life still existed. He needed exactly the same. He also gave me the feeling I was attractive at a point when I thought the next stage is death. He flirted with me. My reaction was stronger than merely falling in love, he became life itself to me. A totally unacceptable role for someone who suffers from whatever it is he suffers from.
Sensitive as he is ( and I don't mean 'delicate', and with antennae that can detect all of this, but lacking the ability and maturity to deal with it, it must have been very difficult for him. At twice his age I should have known better than to get closer to him - well I did try not to. For a long time I rejected the idea and pretended not to understand his innuendo. However, I was in too much distress to cope normally, and then I started to apply the usual relationship ideas, and see myself as a victim a lot of the time. And yet all the time I knew there was an element of abuse from me too... using someone to hold on to, get life from. Someone unsuitable - for us both.
The issues that got me involved are still there to some extent, but now I think I can see them better - and not just see them superficially but also with my emotions. It isn't easy to take the responsibility for my part in it... .but I was a willing partner in this. ' I saw the danger and I trod along the enchanted way, and I said, let grief be a falling leaf at the dawning of the day.'
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2017, 10:41:27 AM »

it was kind of difficult for me to see how some of these things applied to me, like the concept of buying into the idealization, or the mirroring (they are not one in the same, but theres some overlap for me).

for example, the over the top praise was off putting to me. it didnt ring true, i had seen it in past partners, and it kind of raised some flags.

and as far as mirroring, my ex appeared a strikingly different person with everyone, as if she did not know who or how to be. i found this unattractive. as it applied to me, there was copycat behavior (which is not exactly the same thing as "mirroring" mimicking, repeating phrases that had come directly out of my mouth. i journaled at the time that i felt she was trying to mold herself for me. of course, especially in the beginning of a relationship, we all do that on some level. we try to present our potential mates with our best version of ourselves.

i liked another post from 2010 that i will paraphrase. the suggestion, as it applied to the mirroring, was that we bought into a person who appeared to love us for the reasons we desperately wanted to be loved and maybe more importantly for me, understood. seeing it that way was very powerful for me. i desperately wanted to be understood by a romantic partner, and appreciated (even idealized) for those things.

meili, i checked off those same boxes. my ex made me feel as if i could do no wrong. i had never felt so confident in a relationship, with anyone really. i felt as if i could not shake her attraction if i tried. i must have heard from her thousands of times that i was a "badass" and such a "man". that particular brand of idealization certainly had an effect on me. i had/have body image issues myself. she was my first girlfriend who had even seen me with my shirt off (in fairness and for context, she was my first girlfriend that lasted longer than three months). shed take and post photos of me and talk about how sexy i was. its really nice to know your partner feels that way, and i felt the same about her.

the creativity stuff was more than important to me. i cant even begin to relay all of the examples of how she drilled this one down. i can remember even early on in the relationship, she told me that whenever she was angry with me, that i should remind her that i play the drums.

i dont want to boil that all down to mirroring, either. my ex can be very supportive and encouraging, and nurturing, and she is that way toward everyone in her life. she is the most thoughtful gift giver that i have ever met in my life. she bought me a few pieces of equipment that id never thought of, had no idea i could even use, but that i was so grateful to have even after the relationship ended. i was always so touched by the thoughtfulness and appreciation. i would most certainly look for aspects of that in a future partner.

i also think that on some level she was doing her best to be her best version of a "good girlfriend" (and we all do this to an extent as well). when we broke up, and she got in another relationship, she immediately called the drummer of her new boyfriends band "the best drummer ever"  Smiling (click to insert in post).

in most of my previous relationships, i had been pretty insecure, generally feeling like i liked my partner more than they did me. all of my exes had left me, even after idealizing me, and i struggled so much with feelings of rejection. i never deliberately sought out someone that i felt was incapable of leaving me, as i thought that was an unhealthy level of dependence. then again, id never been in a relationship with someone who seemed incapable of leaving me, or was so dependent on me. id never been in that one up position. i rationalized it as "while unhealthy, i still think we belong together, so what difference does it make?". i bought into this idea so strongly that when she did leave, it shattered my world.

in terms of my struggles with going from idealization to devaluation: i did not experience, for example, the classical scenario where my ex started off idealizing me, i became intoxicated, she withdrew it, devalued me, and i chased the high. the idealization and devaluation did not really occur in "stages", in fact my experience was probably 80% idealization, 20% devaluation - the latter would occur when she would rage, and when it did, i would withdraw. i would (usually) be completely dismissive, and she would only get the best of me when things were "ideal".

phew. great exercise meili!
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2017, 05:59:07 PM »

Hello Meili.

I had read that post once before. It's a hard one to read for me. Yes, it describes me and my complicity. I knew early on that things were not well with my xw, but I exactly did the mirroring thing, thought, hey we are here for each other after all.

She: 1) Made me feel good about my appearance and sexiness; 2) Made me feel good about my creativity (although this was one of the first illusions to fall as she felt 100% abandoned whenever I really put myself into anything - singing, writing, mountaineering); 3) Made me feel that I was worthwhile.

I had been alone and out of RS for 6 years before I met uBPDxw. I was lonely. I was/am driven by understanding. I have been looking at the shame I carry in me wrt sex, and the very low self esteem and self love that I have had since childhood. I can see how my xw filled a need within me, how I wanted her to do so, and how I abdicated responsibility for filling that need for love myself.

It hurts. But there's a lot of hope in this pain. If I don't yield to the anxiety, there's a lot of openness and possibility. So many of us have learned such hard lessons. Knowing now that I really care about how people speak to one another, that I really believe that we all do deserve understanding and acceptance - these are things I didn't believe I could protect. Now, I know I have no choice but to protect them because they are a big part of me, and I am worth protecting. Hard lessons but easier coming out of the FOG. Thanks for this post.
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