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Before you can make things better, you have to stop making them worse... Have you considered that being critical, judgmental, or invalidating toward the other parent, no matter what she or he just did will only make matters worse? Someone has to be do something. This means finding the motivation to stop making things worse, learning how to interrupt your own negative responses, body language, facial expressions, voice tone, and learning how to inhibit your urges to do things that you later realize are contributing to the tensions.
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« on: March 29, 2018, 07:43:28 AM »

Greetings,

This thread has been helpful for me and for keeping my head clear on my current path. Unfortunately it became locked due to length so I am linking the original and continuing on. https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=321084

Last night we kept our scheduled appointment with our marriage counselor. She was strangely calm and it was a little unsettling with how she was speaking. We opened with the therapist with a recap of the last month and all of legal and clinical issues that occurred. She stated that she didn't know what she wanted out of the session, and I flat out stated that I want to know if she wants to continue in the house or if she wants to move out.

I am aware that they fear abandonment, often lash out when it is threatened, and I am now today bracing for what I feel will be either her slipping further out the door or a potential extinction burst that will lead me to having her removed from the house legally.

Currently I am drafting up a proposed separation agreement to formalize the arrangement. I do plan to be somewhat generous in accommodating her, however I am working out a roadmap to where she is not financially dependent on me and that I do not have to worry about her running up more debt that I am tied to. I do not anticipate any other end to this other than separation, and eventual divorce as I do not feel that she has demonstrated any capability to stay within a level of appropriate stable behavior for extended periods of time.

So now I am embarking on a new phase of this journey and am preparing (and bracing) for the emotional backlash that this is sure to trigger.

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2018, 03:34:12 PM »

Is there a possibility that you could serve her the papers after she’s out of the house?
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2018, 09:31:15 AM »

I'm not sure that it will work that simply. First off, she's still in the house. She isolated herself up in our guest room all day on Sat and Sunday and only came downstairs or opened the door to eat, use the bathroom or leave. Very minimal contact all weekend so it was a very low drama weekend.

Second, It is not locked in that I can get a protective order to keep her out of the house as since this is still a joint domicile and will be joint property until a divorce is finalized. In my state there is no "Legal Separation" though you can have a contract between two parties that defines a legally binding agreement for separation the law still regards the marriage as intact until it isn't intact.

The best option for a reduced conflict is that she keeps declaring that "she is done" and finally accepts that and moves out. I give up too much legal leverage for custody if I move out and I cannot risk that.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2018, 02:20:52 PM »

Hey there Tired_Dad,

Just chiming in to see how you are doing this week.
Having you been feeling a little better since the last time you posted?

She was strangely calm and it was a little unsettling with how she was speaking. We opened with the therapist with a recap of the last month and all of legal and clinical issues that occurred. She stated that she didn't know what she wanted out of the session, and I flat out stated that I want to know if she wants to continue in the house or if she wants to move out.

She might be just operating on a very detached mode from the entire situation. As you've mentioned she doesn't know what she wants... .which itself is telling. It is good that you've expressed your firm desire in wanting a response as to what she wants to do. Would you still be visiting the marriage counsellor to firm up any loose ends with your partner?

From your later posts, you have mentioned that she's been pretty much isolating herself to your guest room, and from what i see has been exhibiting avoidant or anti-social behaviours of the late. If your partner stays isolated for quite some time, then there maybe a possibility that she might show some level of irritablity as a result of all of the racing thoughts she may have trouble managing. As you have mentioned you might need to prepare for a potential extinction burst.


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Currently I am drafting up a proposed separation agreement to formalize the arrangement.

How is your proposal coming along for the separation agreement? Has your partner agreed to the terms?

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So now I am embarking on a new phase of this journey and am preparing (and bracing) for the emotional backlash that this is sure to trigger.

We'll cross that bridge when it comes and we'll be here to listen and support you in this process. Hope things have been holding up peacefully on your end so far. Keep us posted!

Spero.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2018, 12:19:19 PM »

Greetings spero,

I am feeling fairly well. Frustration is part of life and I do my best to not let that frustration pollute my overall state of mind.

On a note DCF has been involved since she last admitted herself to crisis and was in residential treatment for a short stay. I was informed by my wife today that they are opening up a case and that she is not to have unsupervised contact with our son until her support structure is verified. Pretty much if I am out of the house and my son is home, someone else needs to be there. As of now the DCF worker arranged in advance for my mother in law to take part in this today until I get home from work. Just not sure as to what needs to happen for the morning or how or if I should explain this to my son.

She might be just operating on a very detached mode from the entire situation. As you've mentioned she doesn't know what she wants... .which itself is telling. It is good that you've expressed your firm desire in wanting a response as to what she wants to do. Would you still be visiting the marriage counsellor to firm up any loose ends with your partner?

I will not stop going to the counselor with her any time soon. We were separated before and it allowed us to co-parent fairly effectively.

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From your later posts, you have mentioned that she's been pretty much isolating herself to your guest room, and from what i see has been exhibiting avoidant or anti-social behaviours of the late. If your partner stays isolated for quite some time, then there maybe a possibility that she might show some level of irritablity as a result of all of the racing thoughts she may have trouble managing. As you have mentioned you might need to prepare for a potential extinction burst.

Getting prepared... .please keep seatbelt fastened, remain in your seat with your hands in arms in the cart for the duration of the ride.

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How is your proposal coming along for the separation agreement? Has your partner agreed to the terms?

I am trying to do my best to be as equitable as possible. In my research it seems that it would be best for me to let her drift her way out of the house and then within a period of time file the paperwork needed to keep her out of the house and arrange for any temporary shared parenting and initial division of property.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 04:46:15 PM »

Hi Tired_Dad,

How are things going? You've been through a lot, and it sounds like there is more to come.

I read through your other posts and it is heartwarming to learn about the bond you have with your son. That will go a long, long way. You're a great dad  Smiling (click to insert in post)

Just not sure as to what needs to happen for the morning or how or if I should explain this to my son.

My son was roughly 12 when his dad had a psychotic episode that led to suspended visitation.

I recommend asking your son if he has any questions about his mom, how he feels, and just listen. "I don't know what's happening with mom. I wish I did. If you have questions, you can ask me. I might not know the answers, but I'm here for you -- you're not alone in this. It's confusing and we gotta stick together. For now, we're going to make sure someone here to pinch hit and keep things functioning for you while I'm at work."

One of the hazards of having a BPD parent or partner is the emotional isolation. If your son expresses how he feels, and you bear witness without judging or telling him to feel otherwise, he will learn to sort this stuff out in the presence of someone he loves and trusts.

I also made it my business to talk to the guidance counselor and family specialist at school. I did this during the divorce, and I did it again when then S10's dad was psychotic. We were lucky that all of the school professionals were excellent. They all had S12's back in a way that surpassed my expectations. Maybe it will be the same at your son's school. My son was encouraged to jet out of class if he needed to decompress, and just hang out in the counselor's office and draw, or read. He did that a bunch.

It could be that because of your stability, your S10 appears outwardly resilient. My son was like that to an extent, but then things started to break down a bit in middle school, with all the stressors that can go with that. He needed both parents and only really had one

I'm a researcher and can be very logical and strategic and grounded, and that helped me keep things together even when they were hairy. It was good for S12, just like your stability will be good for your S10.

If I can make a suggestion... I remember reading that it isn't our unmet needs that cripple us, it's our unmourned needs. There will surely be some embarrassment, grief, sadness, anger, self-blame, fear about his mom's situation running through S10's heart.

I didn't listen enough, or validate enough until I learned here how important it is.

You might be doing all this already. Just wanted to chime in with a lesson learned that I wish I could go back and shore up a bit. Those elementary/middle school years are developmentally wild. The things I thought my son processed at one age seemed to reappear at different development points, almost like they needed to be reopened and experienced as new tracks laid down in his brain.

Hopefully your son is genetically wired to be resilient. Sometimes, with BPD in the gene pool, that isn't the case.

Hang in there, you're handling things really well. I hope you're taking time to look after yourself and are getting good legal advice.
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