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« on: September 15, 2018, 06:18:20 AM »

Spouse has not been officially diagnosed, however, family therapist is confident that spouse is suffering from BPD. Behavior is concerning and scary, had to leave Home based on threats made toward me. Spouse woke up one day this Spring and just stopped speaking, she had deteriated and is on a campaign to very obviously harm me, threatening false police contact. Most hurtful of all, immediately prior to this episode, we were in therapy and she told me she was the happiest she had been during our 10 year marriage. We have 3 young girls, who she has been able to convince that I am a danger and they are now “scared of me.” Also, refuses to let me see or speak with our girls. She has commenced a divorce action, and is impossible to speak with, displays no reason, and has verbally “attacked” me. It’s as if my wife is literally gone. Says she does not remember any of the good memories we used to cherish, and is trying to convince me, she hated me our entire marriage. I am very much in love with my wife and fear for her safety, and the safety of our girls. Any insight or shared experiences would be appreciated. Thank you.  Paragraph header  (click to insert in post) :  Paragraph header  (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2018, 08:42:29 AM »

Hi Thiggs  Welcome new member (click to insert in post) and welcome to the site.

I'm so sorry to hear of the painful situation you find yourself in.  That is so hard for you.  You're in the right place for help.  It's really good that you reached out.   Do you also have any other support from friends, family and professionals?

What threats is your wife making towards you that caused you to leave?  You talked about her waking up one day in spring and stopping speaking.  Is this before or after she made the threats?  Just so that I understand how long you've been moved out of the family home.  Can you identify anything that happened to cause her sudden shift in behaviour?

Hearing that your children fear you has to be so tough.  I feel for you.  You mention fearing for their safety.  Do you have reason to believe that they are at risk of harm from your wife?  Is she also a risk to herself?  I'm sorry to ask such tough questions.  It will help us to know how we can best support you if we have as much information as possible.  Maybe you can give us some examples of the most concerning and scary behaviour that your wife has displayed in order for us to fully understand the safeguarding aspect of this situation.  

Meanwhile I can recommend taking a good look at the Tools as a starting point to help you in any interactions with your wife.  Reducing conflict is a priority at such a highly emotional time.  

I know others will want to pitch in and offer you support.  We're here for you.  

Love and light x  
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2018, 09:09:32 AM »

My ex made a false claim that I assaulted her. I was arrested and later found guilty of disorderly conduct even though I did absolutely nothing wrong. I had no witnesses so I had no way to defend myself except to tell the truth. I went to jail for two weeks and had to take a leave of absence from my job until I could get the disorderly conduct expunged from my record ( 5 years).
The day I got out of jail I purchased a small video recorder and a small audio recorder. It is not allowed in mt state to record without a judges consent and it can not be used in court. I figured I could use it if the police showed up and I would not get arrested. Eventually my attorney told me to stop recording or I would get in trouble. I thought about it and decide to point the video camera at myself whenever ex and I were physically present somewhere.
My ex changed into someone I did not know. I tried for a while to work things out. Eventually I realized that things would not work out between us. We divorced in 2010 and ex is still the same towards me. We have two boys so we have to communicate still. Our youngest is 15 now. I only communicate through email to have a paper trail and to protect myself.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2018, 09:51:56 AM »

There's nothing more baffling than experiencing a quick flip from affection to repulsion. It can really mess with your sense of reality.

Can you describe some of the interactions you've had? Maybe we can help walk with you through the communication and relationship pitfalls that happen when a loved one is dysregulated, and work through this with you together.

Have you been served with divorce papers, or is she mainly threatening to at this point?

What kind of communication is happening right now? Is it by email/phone/text?

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2018, 09:18:55 PM »

Spouse has not been officially diagnosed... .Behavior is concerning and scary, had to leave Home based on threats made toward me. Spouse woke up one day this Spring and just stopped speaking, she had deteriorated and is on a campaign to very obviously harm me, threatening false police contact... .We have 3 young girls, who she has been able to convince that I am a danger and they are now “scared of me.” Also, refuses to let me see or speak with our girls. She has commenced a divorce action, and is impossible to speak with, displays no reason, and has verbally “attacked” me... .

These were behaviors my ex exhibited too.  These and other behaviors are not uncommon for the Cluster B acting-out personality disorders.  Most of us members are Nice Guys and Nice Gals who were so very unprepared for such high conflict and oppositional attacks.  Here you can learn how to communicate in less triggering ways (SET and DEARMAN are two of them) without necessarily caving to the other's demands and ultimatums.

She is trying to separate your children from you.  That's alienation, there's a new approach to alienation advocated by Dr. Craig Childress.  Also, Richard Warshak has an excellent book, Divorce Poison, that identifies how the children are impacted and strategies that can help.

It’s as if my wife is literally gone. Says she does not remember any of the good memories we used to cherish, and is trying to convince me, she hated me our entire marriage. I am very much in love with my wife and fear for her safety, and the safety of our girls.

I suspect this phrase I highlighted is why your post was moved to this board.  Even though your spouse has started a divorce, you haven't addressed this emotionally.  A divorce has been started, right?  The fact is that though you could delay it a bit, court is not there to fix your marriage or make her stay in the marriage.  Court's task is to be the (somewhat passive) referee while your marriage is undone... .regarding finances, custody and parenting schedule.

In other words, you may love your spouse but you also have to realize she is making herself your worst opponent.  That is a reality.  Can you find a way to defend yourself well and also step up for your children?  The reality is that your priority list during a separation and divorce is far different than in a healthy or even struggling marriage.  You and your children have to be top of the list.  Your spouse must be lower or else you will be sabotaging yourself (by opening up ways for her to sabotage you).

Can you accept the reality of a divorce?  With an acting-out PD involved and a divorce started, it's unlikely the pieces can be taped together again, at least not in a healthy way.  The typical exception to such a stark reality is if the disordered spouse gets into meaningful therapy (DBT or CBT are good ones), makes solid improvement to thinking, perceptions and behaviors over a long period of time, years.  Does that sound like her?

So, for how you feel about the impending end to the marriage, good to post here.  For the divorce questions and practical strategies that can help you, yes, you can post on the Family Law board.  We've been there, done that.  We can help but also realize that turning things around is a process and will take time.  Some things need to be done now or ASAP, other things can wait.  We'll help guide you on the priorities.  For example, right now you need to find yourself a good, experienced and proactive attorney, the usual form filer and hand holder attorney will soon be floundering with the unrelenting obstruction and conflict.  Also good to have a counselor who has dealt with difficult cases like yours.

Regarding counselors and lawyers, with both searches it is okay to get consultations or interviews so you can pick ones that have the best experience, strategies and approaches.  They know they won't get everyone walking in the door as clients.

Have you read Splitting: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing Someone with Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder?  William Eddy's handbook is top priority for you.  You may think that court will be fair.  Sadly, it's not, it follows laws, case law, procedures and policies that often ignore how good you are and how obstructive and negative your spouse is.  So thinking "I will show how fair/nice I am" is not a good strategy on it's own.  You need many good strategies working together for you.  And a good lawyer, a good cousnelor, good local support (family and trusted friends) and of course peer support such as here.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2018, 10:30:34 PM »

Dear Things,
I just want to reach out to you in empathy.  Last November, I came home one Sunday from a short weekend trip to a husband who actively psychotic and in full devaluation/discard mode (texts from him a mere two hours earlier were normal and gave no hint of what was to unfold).  I went from being the best of partners to being a personification of all that was evil and wrong in his world.  I suffered through 14 days of complete and utter psychosis and raging from him.  Prior to this episode, my husband and marriage was relatively normal (although there were many red flags for BPD in hindsight).  I simply had no template for the insanity I endured.  In a matter of 14 days, my entire life was completely upended and my marriage imploded.  I'm still grappling with the reality that he walked away from our marriage of 21 years almost a year later.  The BPD psychosis was terrifying, baffling and it almost broke me. 
Honestly, even though my ex has now stabilized for the most part, I frankly consider myself more of a widow than a divorcee.  The person that I knew as my husband disappeared last November and the version that I interact with now (we coparent my son) is a stranger to me.   I still can't really wrap my brain around it all and I have so, so much sympathy for fellow sufferers on this same crazy road.
Please take the best care of yourself, lean on anyone who can provide support (you WILL need professional help from legal and mental health specialists - you can't go it alone) and try to stay strong for your children. 
Warmly 
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