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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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Marianne-11
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« on: June 27, 2020, 06:54:40 AM »

Hi all,

It’s been almost a week since I wrote about my divorce and how things went when my STBXh had the kids with him over the weekend. It was so painful, but thanks to the support from this group, I got through it. Having S3 and S11 at home with me this week has been so much easier, knowing that they are safe and well and they can talk with me if anything bothers them.

For me this past week has been heavy in a different way. I get flashbacks of the marriage and feel guilt, could I have somehow made things better if I was more skillful in dealing with BPD behavior. My brain says I could not have, but emotionally I have a hard time. I also know that I could not take anymore of the rages, lies, silent treatment, cheating, drama, blaming, manipulation, delusions (me and people at work wanting bad things to happen to him), you name it.

Even though I’ve studied by now a lot about BPD, I still have a hard time really, truly understanding how the same person can be so convincing that he needed and wanted me as his wife and still his actions were totally opposite and finally I felt I had no other option but to divorce him. As a high functioning BPD he can be very charming to the outside world. He could be with me too, if he was in a good phase. I guess that, and the kids, have kept me in this marriage for such a long time, 11 years.

I understand and work on accepting that I let this relationship happen, I allowed the behavior. I should have ended the marriage way sooner. I most definitely have to work on my own codependency issues.

He had ”lows” every time there was any kind of change in our lives. It could even be a positive one, moving to our dream house, having kids etc., that resulted in terrible behavior. As an optimist, I always tried to understand his reasons to act that way and believed things would get better. At some point, though, I realized that things are only not getting better but instead every time he seems to go a bit lower than before.

And then there were the details, like him refusing to look me in the eyes when we should’ve talked about any serious adult stuff (be it related to kids, finances, house, our relationship etc.). No eye contact. He would always turn his back on me or focus on a newspaper or tv or ipad or anything but never look at me while we spoke. Is this familiar to anyone? Does this have anything to do with BPD? I said many times I would really appreciate it if I didn’t have to talk to his back when we needed to talk about something that concerned the both of us.

All in all, I felt many times there was no room for my feelings in the relationship and over time started to feel worthless and small because of this. Then later when my ex got diagnosed with BPD, his psychiatrist had written in his statement that my ex experiences me as a very strong person. I don’t know what to make of that.   

Many times when we had bigger decisions to make, I asked that could we sit down and together think through our alternatives and discuss how we both feel about them. That was never ever an option for him. I was left to make decisions and then later blamed for those. If I made the right decision, that also somehow backfired in his mind. Instead of the win-win situations I wanted for us, it seemed like I was never ever doing the right thing. And that I was solely responsible.

Then there was one time when I had just given birth to our younger son a week earlier but had a really bad infection and had to be in the hospital for a week getting strong antibiotics. There was a really high risk of sepsis. My husband took me getting sick as something that I had deliberately done to make his life difficult (can you imagine how that feels when in reality you were so happy about having a child with someone you loved while at the same time experiencing a painful physical health issue!). My mother came to help him with the kids and he gave the silent treatment to both my mum and me. Learned later that my ex was worried he would not be able to go out to party with his friends and girlfriend at the time.

At present, he has found someone else but still seems to do everything he can to keep me hanging in this situation. In terms of finances, apartment, child care, and other practical stuff, I am looking for a lawyer because he refuses to agree on anything and refuses to talk with me, no matter how nicely I ask. He has said he hates me, cannot control his anger towards me and will not talk with me. He has made sure I know he has a new person in his life.

At the moment I feel pretty tired and sad. It’s hard to accept that my life centered around somebody else’s problems for 14 year (of which 11 married). And how could I let this happen from the kids’ perspective. Of course there were also really good times, which I do miss.

I am left with questions like; was the love ever real from his side? How stupid am I because I guess I thought I could help him and solve his problems and we would be happy? What’s more, why do I still care, how do I stop caring and rather focus on healing myself? Why give any more years of my life to this mess.

So many irrational and abusive stuff happened during the years that these are only some events that I share here. I could probably write a book about these. Unfortunately many of us could, I guess Frustrated/Unfortunate (click to insert in post)

I have done concrete actions like talked with a lawyer (will talk to a couple of others), agreed to start a new job in August so that I’ll have less travelling and can spend more time with my kids. I started therapy myself in hopes that it will help me heal better and hopefully quicker as well. If this emptiness is anything like the borderline feels, it is, well, unbearable.

After these years and experiences, I don’t think much of myself. I used to be a very positive person, but now I feel empty, (at the age of 40) first time in my life don’t have much of a vision of the future and feel honestly a bit hopeless. Also afraid that what if the divorce is too hard on the kids - what will this do to their sense of security. Will I ever be ready for a relationship and if that should happen, what is a normal relationship like, will I just be afraid that this kind of torture happens again. 

Sorry that this is a long post. I guess I just felt the need to write this in a safe place instead of going through it in my head or opening up to someone who maybe would not understand what these relationships are like. If you have any tips or experiences on healing, I will be so happy to hear. I get so much comfort of the supportive posts in this group. I do know one day I will also feel better and hope to be able to support others better then. Take care everyone!
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2020, 06:59:58 AM »

And one concrete question after the long post. Those of you who have gone to therapy yourself; what kind of therapeutic approach have you found most helpful? Have you focused on going through your experiences or focused more on how to move forward from here? Thank you for sharing  Virtual hug (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2020, 10:49:30 AM »

Hi Marianne  Virtual hug (click to insert in post)

Your post reminded me very much of the same place I was when I found this site in early 2018.  I was newly divorced after a 21 marriage with an exBPD.  Unlike you, I didn't know my ex had this disorder until the last 4 months of the marriage when he had a complete and horrifying psychotic break.  But all of the same symptoms were there (down to completely ignoring me during a really bad flu several years ago when I remember crawling to the fridge to get a Gatorade because I was so weak and he absolutely refused to help me  Frustrated/Unfortunate (click to insert in post) ).  So throughout the marriage, I stumbled around in a lot of confusion mixed between happy, stable times.  Like your ex, mine was/is very high functioning to the outside world.

I'm 2 1/2 years out now and in a much better place but still I grapple with it all a lot and likely will for many years.  I've experienced enormous (and at times overwhelming) pain but also enormous and thrilling self-growth.  I'm starting to really find myself and a new happier baseline in the last 6 months or so.  I think it's really a one step forward, two steps back process of healing that will just take time.   Someone mentioned to me that it takes at least one month of healing for every one year of the marriage and as weird as it sounds, I've actually found it to be a pretty accurate measure for me.  Although, I think I really will be processing this situation for many, many years and it has left an indelible mark on me. 

You shouldn't beat yourself up.  You did all you could and then some.  Professional therapists grapple with dealing with people with BPD.   Skills are great but they take you only so far if you have a partner who is uninterested in doing their part.

Your ex reminds me a lot of mine.  The refusal to face any adult issues in our marriage as a willing partner is familiar to me.  Now that I'm out of the fog, I know that my ex has extremely stunted emotional development.  It helps me to process this issue in terms of thinking of him as a child - would a child be able to handle the adult issues that you are asking him to navigate with you?  Of course not.  I don't mean to be disrespectful or demeaning to our ex-partners but the truth is that they have the emotional developmental level of very young children as a result of this disorder (likely your children may actually be more mature in their development).  It is what it is and thus I keep very low expectations in mind with any dealings with my ex.

My marriage counselor ended up being my therapist which was ideal because she intimately understood the dynamics of what I was dealing with.  I'd just recommend that you look long and hard to find a therapist who is intimately familiar with this disorder.  I highly recommend getting a therapist and staying in therapy for as long as you can.   You will be doing a heavy amount of processing and it really helps to bounce things off a supportive therapist and you won't overburden your friends either.   In therapy, I deal with whatever comes up - it's a mix of processing the past and working on efforts to move forward. 

I also participated in Codependents Anonymous for a while before coming to the realization that I actually wasn't codependent - just an extremely loyal person who wanted to keep her dream of a family together for a very long time.   It was still helpful for me to go to the meetings regardless.

Two books that were extremely helpful in my recovery were "Whole Again" by Jackson Mackenzie and "Healing from Hidden Abuse" by Shannon Thomas so just mentioning those.  This site has links to many reviews of other good books.  I also found some of the videos by Kris Godinez, Dr. Ramani and EverydayTherapist on Youtube to be very helpful at times (there is a focus on NPD but recovery is very similar).  This site and the folks here, above all though, was absolutely the most helpful to me so keep on revisiting it.

You can do this and it's time to put yourself first for a change (hard I know - still working on this myself!)

Hugs  Virtual hug (click to insert in post) Virtual hug (click to insert in post) Virtual hug (click to insert in post)

Warmly,
B.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2020, 02:03:39 PM »

Hi B  Virtual hug (click to insert in post)

thank you for sharing your experiences! It's truly amazing how similar these stories are! I can well relate to feeling enormous (yes, even overwhelming) pain. I am so very happy for you that you are feeling much better these days With affection (click to insert in post) That gives me so much hope.

One step forwards, two steps back, that sounds realistic. I at times have thought that I am a bit better and feeling stronger, and then notice that I am back in the hole again due to some new drama. So frustrating! But when you say you're starting to find yourself and a happier baseline - that sounds like something I want to achieve one day.

Today I have been thinking about how often my ex mixed feelings as facts. How often he blamed me of thoughts and actions that were never real - or rather they were actually his. How often I was blamed for abandoning him even though he was the only one doing that in real life many many times. At times he was deeply ashamed of what he had done, and then after
a while blaming me for this feeling, too. He has even complained that I never gave him a chance to be a good husband. Well, 14 years...

"I also participated in Codependents Anonymous for a while before coming to the realization that I actually wasn't codependent - just an extremely loyal person who wanted to keep her dream of a family together for a very long time.   It was still helpful for me to go to the meetings regardless."

That is actually pretty much what I've thought of myself! Because loyalty is very important to me, as has been the dream of family staying together. But I'll need to look into codependency more thoroughly to understand if there is something I should work with after all. 

Thank you for the good book tips as well  Virtual hug (click to insert in post) Started to read "Whole again" already. Feels like it will be very useful.

Take care B, I wish you all the strength on your journey and really appreciate you helping out here Virtual hug (click to insert in post) With affection (click to insert in post)
 
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2020, 10:19:18 AM »

Hi Marianne  Welcome new member (click to insert in post)

You are so welcome!  Also, an observation for what it's worth, you seem to be much further along in your healing at this point than I was.  You have a really good understanding of BPD already.  I was  abruptly abandoned and divorced in a maelstrom of my exBPDh's seemingly "out-of-nowhere" psychotic behavior (my 21 year marriage (27 year relationship) fell apart in the space of weeks).  He divorced me while psychotic and high on drugs (which he never partook in during our relationship).  I had never, ever heard of BPD prior to this period of time.  All this, to say that your healing may actually go a lot faster than mine.  I had to take a crash course in hyper speed about BPD simultaneously in addition to emerging from the wreckage of my typical life being so abruptly torpedoed  Frustrated/Unfortunate (click to insert in post)

Ultimately, the healing takes the time it takes.  Any time spend on you and your concerns is time well spent and probably long overdue  Virtual hug (click to insert in post)  Virtual hug (click to insert in post)

Warmly,
B

 
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2020, 12:14:55 PM »

Hi B   Welcome new member (click to insert in post)

that must have been so painful and devastating. I am really sorry you had to experience this! You are a very strong person to have lived through this and be where you are today - and supporting others With affection (click to insert in post)

I noticed you wrote elsewhere that this is like mourning someone who is still alive, a grief process, and people not really understand or easily minimize what we're going through. That really resonated. It is exactly like that. You loose someone you love, you let go of the hope that they could be "fixed" (I think deep down I was guilty of thinking like this), hopes of the future as you saw it for such a long time, not being able to share joys and sorrows of parenthood. On top of all this you can get really cruel behavior from the person you loved. Even if it is because of a PD, it still hurts deeply. And I guess if you are an optimistic person, it hits you hard also because you've kind of always thought that there is a solution to pretty much any problem  Frustrated/Unfortunate (click to insert in post) 

Today has been interesting again. My ex messaged he would like to help me with my car in the autumn (!) and that's totally opposite of the "I hate you" + silent treatment combo I've been getting the past months. Good thing that he is more peaceful, but I am really tired of these sudden changes. Let's see how long this lasts.

I met also with my therapist, and reading "Whole again". Doing concrete things seems helpful, though feeling exhausted.

Thanks for being there  With affection (click to insert in post)
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