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« on: January 08, 2023, 03:36:58 AM »

I learned about BPD about 14 months ago and tried to understand boundaries the best way I can.  I used to have so many issues with my wife accusing me of cheating, stealing, etc… the buggiest issue we had and still do is around my sister. If I as much as talk to her she flips out in front of the kids. Recently my father passed and of course my wife thinks my sister will steal all the money (which is not the case).  She went on a rant trying to force me to text her that I don’t trust her, etc… and she got very vulgar.  I told her if she doesn’t change her tone I won’t do it and if she can control herself I will do anything she wants. Of course she hasn’t talked to me all day (which I find to be a nice break I went to get a hair cut in peace) but in the past I would have texted my sister and caved in.  Small win and won’t. Change the fact that sadly I’m married to a crazy person and if we’re for the kids I would have walked away in an instant  (and still May if she doesn’t change how she talks in front of them) but you take the wins anyway you can.
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2023, 09:52:12 PM »

I learned about BPD about 14 months ago and tried to understand boundaries the best way I can. 
I learned about it about 6 months ago, finally figuring out about boundaries.

I used to have so many issues with my wife accusing me of cheating, stealing, etc…
I was accused of cheating, but not stealing.  This is emotional abuse, and a boundary should be set for this.

Recently my father passed and of course my wife thinks my sister will steal all the money (which is not the case).  She went on a rant trying to force me to text her that I don’t trust her, etc… and she got very vulgar.  I told her if she doesn’t change her tone I won’t do it and if she can control herself I will do anything she wants.
Borderlines love to 'control'.  What I highlighted in bold is a boundary that you set. In any event I don't think you should do what your wife thinks. If you value the relationship with your sister, it's not worth destroying at the expense of a person with borderline irrational and illogical demands.  I made that mistake with my friends years ago, and I am still paying for it.

Of course she hasn’t talked to me all day (which I find to be a nice break I went to get a hair cut in peace) but in the past I would have texted my sister and caved in.  Small win and won’t. Change the fact that sadly I’m married to a crazy person and if we’re for the kids I would have walked away in an instant  (and still May if she doesn’t change how she talks in front of them) but you take the wins anyway you can.
Ahh, the 'cold shoulder treatment' or 'withholding affection treatment' classic stonewalling behavior when a toddler or a borderline doesn't get their way.  It is peaceful, enjoy it while it lasts. 

Since you mentioned children.  Make sure that you have an individual therapist, and your children do too.  Your children are not safe from the effects of a dysfunctional and toxic relationship that you have with your wife.  I have 4 therapists in my family's dynamic [her T, my T, couple's T, and family T], and progress is limited.  I am only keeping the family together as I would be on the short end of the legal system if we were to legally separate/divorce and the children would pay an even worse price than what they already have.

For additional help managing the borderline, I would suggest the following book:
"Stop Caretaking the Borderline Or Narcissist: How to End the Drama and Get on with Life" by Margalis Fjelstad

Good luck, and take care.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2023, 06:29:51 AM »

I told her if she doesn’t change her tone I won’t do it and if she can control herself I will do anything she wants.

In the past I would have texted my sister and caved in.  Small win and won’t.

I am sorry for your loss.

This is quite a step and good for you. If I were to change anything it would be the part about "if you control yourself, I will do anything" . I hope that isn't true because the "anything" might be unreasonable.

An important part of this is that you used "I" - set your own limit. " I will not text these comments to my sister" would be concise and to the point. It's all about learning and progress, and what you did is a huge step but also keep in mind that stating your boundary is enough.

You have children and what you did, standing up when your wife is asking you to do something hurtful and unreasonable will make a difference with them. First, you are setting an example. In addition, once your kids get old enough to express their own ideas- they may become the subject of her demands and she may push you to say hurtful things to them.

My father caved to my BPD mother. As I raised my own children, some things seemed odd to me. Growing up, our parents are the example of parenting. We don't know anything different. But through being a parent, I was sometimes reminded of things my father said to us as kids in response to what my mother demanded and realize I wouldn't have said or done that to anyone. I also see why he caved as standing up to her is hard to do- so I commend you for doing that.

She's also mentioned that a sister in law took everything when her own parents passed away. I don't know if that is true or not. I do think that pwBPD have a skewed sense of fairness. FWIW- this is your family and your parents' decisions- they have the right to decide who to pass their possessions on to. While I understand that there are marital property laws that could be involved in your part of it, what your family decides really is none of her business and it's not her money to decide on.
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2023, 07:17:41 AM »

Thank you both of your support.  All the accusations of cheating and stealing completely stopped (well 99% of it and the rest is very mild).  I told her if that’s an accusation then go to court and prove it and that stopped her from that trash completely.

The only issue I have left is my sister and her mannerism around the kids.  I took a break from setting boundaries because honestly it’s brutally exhausting but I won’t let this fight go to waste. If she doesn’t want to talk, great more time for me alone and she can’t function without me anyways.  I’ll even take a work trip and leave the house 3-4 days if she drags on to this crap.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2023, 08:04:09 AM »


The only issue I have left is my sister and her mannerism around the kids.  

I took a break from setting boundaries because honestly it’s brutally exhausting but I won’t let this fight go to waste.

If she doesn’t want to talk, great more time for me alone.

I think this is a good attitude about the silent treatment. It's actually considered a form of verbal abuse, and if it doesn't bother you- great- because that means it won't work to get you to cave.

I understand that it's hard to hold a boundary. Saying "no" to my BPD mother is very difficult. She seems to see boundaries as a challenge and she can be persistent. But each time this behavior succeeds at getting you to cave, you reinforce for her that it works. Good for you for not doing that.

My father's family seemed to be on to my BPD mother's issues very early on in my parents' marriage. They had the sense to not say anything. Much of what I know is from relatives who answered my questions after he passed away. They didn't discuss my mother when we were children and I think they were wise to keep that to themselves. As adults though, we had questions.

My BPD mother disliked my father's family from the get go and it was mutual. My mother sees people as being on her side or not her side. Keeping her issues secret was a priority for my parents. If anyone suspects otherwise, they are "not on her side". I suspect that since my father's family had concerns about my mother, she considered them to be some kind of threat.

I also think gender has something to do with it. Your attention towards a sister may be seen as some kind of threat to your wife even though attention to a sister is not a problem at all but she may see it as taking attention away from her? It's also possible that she perceives your sister as someone who is "not on her side".

Bottom line: your wife will feel however she wants to about your sister and will say whatever she wants. You can't control that. But you don't have to listen to what she says about her. You don't even have to say anything about it but you can cut off the conversation if she starts, or leave the room. I found that actions are more effective than words.

As to badmouthing her in front of the kids, that's a lot harder to control. I have heard my mother say all kinds of things about my father's family. I don't believe them though. If your kids are young, they should not be subjected to this but it's hard to control what she says unless you are watching her 24/7 which is unlikely. I don't know how to handle this one but in our case, my mother was happy to have us stay with my father's family during school breaks and so we got to know them and got to be attached to them and form our own opinions.

Most importantly, do not let your wife ruin your relationship with your sister. This is your sister, your relationship.







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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2023, 08:43:51 AM »

Bottom line: your wife will feel however she wants to about your sister and will say whatever she wants. You can't control that. But you don't have to listen to what she says about her. You don't even have to say anything about it but you can cut off the conversation if she starts, or leave the room. I found that actions are more effective than words.

Yes basically her whole Schtick is I take care of my sister before her, etc… been the case ever since my sister gave birth in our house. She didn’t talk to her for close to 2.5-3 years and finally broke the silence last summer and actually had quite a good summer but now my sister is pregnant again she’s been triggered big time and is back to being nasty.  If I can solve that I’ve solved the majority of my issues.  Not so easy though
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2023, 09:50:25 AM »

That makes sense in terms of the Karpman triangle. In my FOO, BPD mother takes victim position. In relationship to her, we must be in either persecutor or rescuer position.

If someone needs your care and attention, this is seen as competition for her position. She is the one who gets the care and attention. Directing that to anyone else is seen as competition.

Your sister is in a position of needing care and attention. This makes logical sense to you. To you, helping your sister does not take away from how you feel about your wife. But it would feel like that to my mother.

How your wife feels about you helping your sister doesn't make logical sense. But to her, feelings are facts.
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