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« on: March 13, 2023, 05:28:35 PM »

So we now live over 4 hours away from our families. The move was for financial reasons but it’s always been hard for my Dad to travel as he’s very sick with Parkinson’s disease. My parents have only met my 3 children a few times and the 4 month old never. My mother came up last year and stayed in a hotel for a few days and visited each morning then I took her to lunch as my wife didn’t want her here all day. It was fantastic but my wife was jealous and she says she doesn’t like my mother who apparently never talks to her, and doesn’t even always respond to WhatsApp messages.

This time my wife was saying she only wanted my mother here for one morning. Mum was willing to make the long train journey up and I said I’d drive her home after and also see Dad. I know they are both upset to not know their grandchildren. My wife then said that if I’m doing that then she will invite her own mother to stay for two nights to help with the kids. Her mother isn’t that bothered about coming (one reason my wife is jealous) and her Dad said, “well if you can’t cope then why don’t thankful and thankful Granny take the biggest child down to see Grandad” but of course my wife won’t allow it, and said it’s not that she can’t cope, it’s that she doesn’t want to be on her own. So anyway in the end I cancelled Mum myself because I think it’s ridiculous that my wife’s Mum would get to stay a whole two days and also my wife was saying I was to drive my Mum home but she’d want me back first thing the next day and I couldn’t stay away for two nights and “just give up my parental responsibilities”.

I’m disappointed that things haven’t worked out, however I won’t be bullied by my wife into just doing things her way. So now neither grandmother is coming.

In other news I’m rather tired of my wife “feeling prisoner in her own home” when I teach piano lessons, because she has to stay in the front room with the kids and dog for a couple of hours. Each time I say, “I’ll start going to them at home instead” (would be a relief to get out the house tbh). But then she’s like, “can we STOP TALKING ABOUT WORK! It’s all you ever talk about!” And basically she doesn’t want me to have an extra excuse to get out the house, and I know she would cause me problems getting to lessons on time etc. I’m thinking of just making this change next time. I used to do it before covid and hated the journeys and petrol costs. But I’m taking less students each night now so that I can help with the bedtime routines. But obviously with travel time I would be home later.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2023, 03:42:15 AM »


I’m disappointed that things haven’t worked out, however I won’t be bullied by my wife into just doing things her way. So now neither grandmother is coming.

In other news I’m rather tired of my wife “feeling prisoner in her own home” when I teach piano lessons, because she has to stay in the front room with the kids and dog for a couple of hours. Each time I say, “I’ll start going to them at home instead” (would be a relief to get out the house tbh). But then she’s like, “can we STOP TALKING ABOUT WORK! It’s all you ever talk about!”

Good that you won't be bullied, but now, your parents still don't get to see the children.

Your wife might resent accommodating your job, but she benefits from your income.

I understand the tendency to just give in to these "requirements" as it's mentally exhausting to constantly try to maintain a boundary. In addition, you are also focused on the children at the moment- as they need constant attention and taking on an argument is sometimes just too much.

Even with gasoline costs, it might be good to get out of the house for a bit, if the children are OK but I wonder if your wife can cope with them on her own. While her self image is that of a competent mother, the ages of your kids are such that they need constant supervision and it's normal for anyone to feel overwhelmed at times with small children. However, your wife may not be able to admit to that and so makes up some other "reason" for why you can't leave the house.

Sometimes my BPD mother will make a request that makes no logical sense. This is because the request is not really about that but some other need that she doesn't want to admit to. There can be a "hidden agenda" to her requests and so when I reply with a logical response, she may get agitated at that and it doesn't make sense to me until I remember the request may not really be what she wants.

Not that I can know what she really wants. None of us can read minds. Eventually though, what she wants becomes apparent as the conversation is complicated and with drama and I figure it out, or in time, I see what she wants. The clue for me that there's another agenda is that, the conversation doesn't make sense and logical replies result in her being agitated.

For instance, the issue with your mother isn't about your mother. It's your wife feeling jealous that her mother isn't as attentive and also jealous of your connection with your mother. So not having your mother visit takes care of her jealousy but results in your mother not being able to come. The issue over needing to stay in the front room during your lessons may be more about feeling jealous of your time with your students, or also her feeling inconvenienced.

It's understandable she doesn't want you to leave the house because she'd be alone with the small children- but the reality is that, someone needs to earn an income to meet your family expenses. I also wish my H could have been home more when our kids were little but he needed to go to work, and needed to be able to do that. All parents need to work out a child care/work schedule.

It's hard to know when to give in to keep the peace and when to hold the boundary. Saying "no" to my BPD mother or holding her to any factual accommodation is very hard as she's driven by her emotional needs. However, there are physical needs, such as shelter, food, heat, and bills need to be paid to attain these needs and to meet these, someone needs to have an income. So your wife needs to decide to either stay in the front room or stay home with the kids on her own while you go out.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2023, 05:19:24 PM »

Not Wendy, thanks for reminding me that my wife doesn’t always mean what she says! I can’t believe I still forget this after all this time. The conversation about me going out to visit the students has been had many times and always goes in this circle back to her screaming at me to stop talking about work. My wife does not know what she wants right now. She even says sometimes that she says what she doesn’t mean and doesn’t say what she means but that she won’t tell me what she actually means because I should be able to work it out.

Yes you are right that my wife is jealous of my relationship with my mother and my students (really everyone I spend time with apart from her). You are also right that she maybe doesn’t cope with the children as well as she’d like. I forget, but the truth is the days I do go out to work, she is shut in the front room with everyone anyway, because she is attending to the baby so can’t supervise the older ones getting up to mischief in the kitchen. They are attending day care a bit more and my wife has reluctantly accepted my parents’ helps with the costs of this. I am now fully part of the drop offs and pick ups too, which took a while for my wife to let go of.

I’m tied in knots over her 30th birthday coming up too. She wanted good old fashioned cash and lots of it. Then we got the invoice for our new bathroom which was predictably more than we expected. So I had to admit that I had extra cash stashed away for her birthday. So now she’s saying if I’m saving money she wants it immediately to pay off her debts. So now I can’t win because on her birthday she’ll be annoyed if I give her gifts, money, or nothing!

I don’t know what to do about my Mum. She wasn’t surprised her visit got cancelled. I can go to see my parents whenever I want (with a lot of drama), but anything that involves the kids I can’t just do what I want. It would be better in some ways if they were old enough to say they wanted to come but then I’m dreading my wife laying guilt trips on them too if she chooses to. My parents are nearly 80 and we don’t have unlimited time. I’m so glad I’ve made the changes I have though, they have no idea the struggles I’ve been through to get there. I think I just have to wait now and hope my wife won’t take advantage of the situation again to her own benefit. If I say something is unfair and unacceptable to me these days she knows I mean it.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2023, 06:02:56 PM »

I encourage you to not indulge your wife with money that you can not afford. It's an important lesson to understand the value of money and how to live within one's means, whatever they are.

My father earned a good living and yet, there were significant money issues due to BPD mother's perceived "needs" which led to a lopsided distribution of money in our family. We did not go without the basics- food, shelter, clothing but Dad would say no to us over affordable requests while BPD mother continued to spend on what she wanted. BPD mother shops at the finest stores. I went with Dad to buy some pants and we went to a discount store, with coupons.

Dad saved well for their retirement and it was enough for their needs, if managed wisely, but when he passed away, it all went to BPD mother and she's spent all of it, taken out a home equity loan and got to the point where if we didn't move her to an assisted living, she was heading for possible eviction from the bank repossessing her home. Dad didn't require her to be responsible with money or to live within their budget. She spent what she wanted and the rest of us compensated with less.

I hope you are able to hold a budget boundary for everyone in the house together so your wife understands that everyone has to live within their means and budget accordingly.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2023, 07:04:07 PM »

Not Wendy, thank you for this advice. My wife’s appetite for spending is insatiable, it’s like one thing bought then onto the next thing… It’s very difficult because my wife has many credit cards. She has discovered that if you can’t afford the repayments then you just have to ring them and arrange to pay back £1 a month if you prove you can’t afford it. You might think a person who defaulted on payments would find it difficult to get more credit cards, (even with the responsible phone call to discuss arrangements). You would be wrong if you thought this. I get the impression things are far worse with this in the UK. My wife has even complained that if she didn’t own half the house that was bought with my inheritance then the government would actually pay off most of her debts (which is ridiculously correct).

It is a concern too because I am 15 years older than her so I need to think about how my children will be affected in the future. We have an amazing house and asset, but my wife has talked about taking out a loan securing it on the house, so she can buy some heap of sh1t house and realise her dream of becoming a land lady (which she perceives as income you don’t have to work for…) She has even told me she wouldn’t need my permission for this which surely can’t be correct, but it would be in future once I’ve passed away.

We have a new arrangement where I give her a budgeted amount for the weekly shop and she gets to put in savings anything she didn’t spend. It seems to be working because she is now thinking much better about saving money in the shop. Is this reasonable? We both have an allowance which I always end up spending on something or other, but I can’t afford to save up myself. It has been nice seeing her happy about saving but then it all ended up going on the bathroom but that’s life! It was her that wanted the new bathroom!

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2023, 04:54:58 AM »



It is a concern too because I am 15 years older than her so I need to think about how my children will be affected in the future. We have an amazing house and asset, but my wife has talked about taking out a loan securing it on the house, so she can buy some heap of sh1t house and realise her dream of becoming a land lady (which she perceives as income you don’t have to work for…)

We have a new arrangement where I give her a budgeted amount for the weekly shop and she gets to put in savings anything she didn’t spend. It seems to be working because she is now thinking much better about saving money in the shop. Is this reasonable? We both have an allowance which I always end up spending on something or other, but I can’t afford to save up myself. It has been nice seeing her happy about saving but then it all ended up going on the bathroom but that’s life! It was her that wanted the new bathroom!


I think it sounds reasonable but also I think pwBPD can have a skewed sense of "fairness". As teens, we could sense the financial stress and my father was irritable over it and it seemed we were living on two income levels in the same house. As kids of course we didn't have access to their money but we could see it. I think it's good to try to manage the household spending.

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