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« on: March 26, 2023, 10:37:33 AM »

This is my second post in the site. I have been reading through the posts and its good to know others are going through the same as me.
My 40 year old daughter was diagnosed with BPD last year. She is undergoing therapy. She has also had depression for years.
11 years ago when I met my partner her and her partner caused a lot of trouble for us; putting him under 'the microscope', criticising his every move, etc. They were horrible to him even though he was going through a really traumatic time and he is a decent guy.

A few years later she split up from her partner and despite her nasty behaviour toward my partner he gave her emotional support and offered her a temporary home.

She went back to her partner and started to try and isolate him by saying she just wanted to concentrate on our relationship knowing that my partner has no family and had lost everything.

She now has a new partner and baby but still isnt happy. We have now found out that she has been complaining to her brother and a friend that i havent given her enough support!

I cant begin to tell you the emotional and practical support we have given her over the years. I cannot look after my grandaughter as much as i would like to as i have a chronic health condition and have struggled with depression myself. My partner also has health conditions and struggled with his mental health. I live about 40 miles away and we have to stay in a hotel if we want to stay over. I also dont drive abd rely on my partner to drive me there.

I have also found out that just after she left her boyfriend and after my partner had given her so much support she had been 'slagging off' my partner to a mutual friend! I couldnt believe what I was hearing.

We believe she has told lies to her current partner about us and he has now turned against us. I also believe that she has caused trouble with fruends of mine who have walked away without me knowing why.

She has a beautiful little girl who I adore but I fear that this will affect me being part of her growing up.

Ive got to the stage where i have had enough.(we are in our 60s) I have been patient, shown empathy, understanding and compassion and I cant give any more. I have asked her what she wants from me but she hasnt replied. I dont think she knows herself.

So, where do I go from here? I dont want to walk away  because of my grandaughter but I dont want any more of this stress. She has made this mess and its up to her to sort it out.

She is getting married next year and has arranged a big wedding.i think this is the last thing she needs as she also suffers from anxiety and physical problems which mean she leaves everything to her partner. Her baby has also had non-stop health problems since she was born which has meant that my daughter has had to take time off work to take her to hospital so she is under a lot of stress.
She has now got more involved with her father and his partner who dont take her mental state seriously and are encouraging her with her wedding plans.
We are the only voice of reason and we are the ones who are villified for our efforts. This is what we are up against and have been dealing with for the past 11 years.
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2023, 09:39:40 AM »

Hi again Tweedledum;

What a mix of things going on for you via your D's behaviors and actions -- there's how she treats you, how she treats your partner, what she says to you, what she says to her brother, what she says to your friends, the wedding coming up, her bouncing between you and her father...

And then with everything going on healthwise for you and your partner, it's just so much to cope with.

One part of your post that stood out to me was this:

She is getting married next year and has arranged a big wedding.i think this is the last thing she needs as she also suffers from anxiety and physical problems which mean she leaves everything to her partner. Her baby has also had non-stop health problems since she was born which has meant that my daughter has had to take time off work to take her to hospital so she is under a lot of stress.
She has now got more involved with her father and his partner who dont take her mental state seriously and are encouraging her with her wedding plans.
We are the only voice of reason and we are the ones who are villified for our efforts.

It's really difficult to watch what pwBPD do and to know that it's an awful idea and will likely be harmful to themselves or others. The pwBPD in my life isn't a child, it's my H's kids' mom). While I don't have the "parental care" relationship with her, I do share your frustration of watching her make poor, impulsive choices that hurt the kids, and radiate out to impact me and my H.

Sometimes conflict between a "non" and a pwBPD can come from the non wanting to convince the pwBPD of the "error of their ways". My H has tried many times over the years to prove to her that instead of her choices being loving, protective choices for the kids, they are actually really hurtful choices. In those instances, she typically then doubles down on "how right her choices are", "how insightful she is", and how "actually, H is the real problem, not her". Trying to get her to "see reason" leads to H being vilified, and her able to occupy the coveted victim position on the drama triangle -- so similar to your situation.

One way that we have found to minimize those conflicts and to send our energy to those who really need it (the kids, not her), is to step out of the drama and let her make her own decisions, without us trying to convince her of how irrational and hurtful she's being. The way I have been able to do that is to "radically accept" that she is who she is, she's living her own life, and nothing I can say or do will have a meaningful impact on her. That doesn't mean that I agree with her choices, or think her choices are okay. It just means that I accept that she cannot take any input from me and my feedback has no impact on her, and in fact, often backfires. So, in a way, I then feel free to not stress about her choices, and can then turn all that energy and focus towards the kids, who truly need our help.

In your situation, I wonder if you could almost have a ritual or ceremony for yourself, where you accept that she is who she is and is going to do what she chooses, even though it is unwise. You could also acknowledge that you disagree with her choices, and then could find a way to allow yourself to "cut ties" with wanting certain outcomes for her, and instead let yourself focus on your own wellbeing and health, so that when times come up that you can care about your GD, you will be at your best.

Maybe that would look like accepting that she doesn't see the seriousness of her situation, accepting that she wants unwise things (a huge wedding), and allowing yourself to take a break from the role of "voice of reason" in her life. You changing the dynamics of the interaction may, interestingly, "cause" her to stop inciting conflicts with you, and move on to having conflicts with others instead. In a way, you won't be any fun to have conflict with any more, because you won't be "the antagonist" to her and therefore she won't be able to "feel like the victim" with you any more.

Anyway, it's a lot to think about, and there's no requirement for you to do or not do any suggestions -- more food for thought as you decide how you want to move forward in this stressful time. I hope you've gotten some relaxing days lately;

kells76
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2023, 01:42:28 PM »

Hi Kells, Thank you so much for your reply. It's good to know that someone understands what I am coping with. I have not given any guidance or advice to my daughter for the past year as I realised that it was wasting my energy.
My son upset me two weeks ago saying that I hadn't given her support (or him with his children). This is not the case. I am in my 60s, have a chronic health condition which means I often have very low energy levels. My partner and I have given both of them financial, practical and emotional support over the past 11 years.
My son, my daughter's partner and her father (my ex)  don't seem to be taking her diagnosis seriously. They haven't looked into how to deal with a BPD. It is me as usual who has done all the work.
I have also found out that my daughter has been 'back-stabbing' us to a mutual friend. This friend has walked away because she has had enough.
I am now at the stage where I cannot give any more. I am completely drained. I have seen my gp and he has prescribed Valium and offered me anti-depressants. I have done a lot of work on myself in recent years with therapy and self-help. I have just got into a good place mentally. I too have had periods of depression over the years. I do not intend to sacrifice my mental and physical health any longer.
The problem is that I have grandchildren and would like some relationship with them. I see them as often as I can with the health limitations I have. I buy them presents, etc. but it still isnt enough.
My partner has done everything possible to keep the peace but now I do not want him to have anything to do with my adult children as they have caused him a lot of stress. but I don't want them to have the satisfaction of ostracising him. I think they would be quite happy if we split up.
It is a very difficult situation.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2023, 01:47:24 PM »

Hi Kells, Thank you so much for your reply. It's good to know that someone understands what I am coping with. I have not given any guidance or advice to my daughter for the past year as I realised that it was wasting my energy.

Yes, that makes sense -- it seems like often, advice/suggestions we give to pwBPD go unheeded at best, if not outright opposed/argued with. It has taken a lot off of my plate to stop trying to get the kids' mom to agree with anything I ask.

My son upset me two weeks ago saying that I hadn't given her support (or him with his children). This is not the case. I am in my 60s, have a chronic health condition which means I often have very low energy levels. My partner and I have given both of them financial, practical and emotional support over the past 11 years.

I can also get caught up in believing, without even meaning to, the stuff that the kids' mom says about me (or that I hear that she has said about me). We're normal people; we're wired to believe what others say. However, with pwBPD, we often have to disengage from that "automatic" engagement with those crazy statements, and we have to be extra strong within ourselves to know what's really true about us and what isn't. "I guess we see it differently" is an appropriate response... if one is even needed. Like you said, you know what you have really done, so you can stay strong in that, whatever anyone else believes.

My son, my daughter's partner and her father (my ex)  don't seem to be taking her diagnosis seriously. They haven't looked into how to deal with a BPD. It is me as usual who has done all the work.

This comes up for many "nons" coping with a pwBPD. Some third parties get it, some don't. You do a lot of research and reading, and yet others don't really know or don't seem to want to know. It'll be important -- for your sanity! -- to accept that some people are open to learning more, and some aren't there yet. It can be really frustrating otherwise, to want people to "just get it already!", but they can't or won't yet. Sometimes all we can do is toss out a little bit of info, and then wait and see how the person deals with that.

It can be important to check in with yourself and make sure that the work you're doing is for you and that you can be okay with that. If others take you up on it, that's an added bonus -- versus being in a more frustrating place of "I'm doing all this research for them, and they won't even read it!".

I have also found out that my daughter has been 'back-stabbing' us to a mutual friend. This friend has walked away because she has had enough.

Am I tracking with you, that the friend walked away from your D? Or from you?

I am now at the stage where I cannot give any more. I am completely drained. I have seen my gp and he has prescribed Valium and offered me anti-depressants. I have done a lot of work on myself in recent years with therapy and self-help. I have just got into a good place mentally. I too have had periods of depression over the years. I do not intend to sacrifice my mental and physical health any longer.

I think that makes sense. You know your own abilities and limitation, and if you have no more to give, that's how it is. It would be perfectly normal to take time to recharge and regain health. Like you've probably heard before -- you can't take care of anyone else if you haven't take care of yourself first. Running on empty isn't healthy (and I'm telling myself that right now, as much as anyone). I'm glad you have a supportive GP and are in a positive place mentally right now.

What are some things that you enjoy doing in your life -- hobbies, groups, activities? What feels recharging?

The problem is that I have grandchildren and would like some relationship with them. I see them as often as I can with the health limitations I have. I buy them presents, etc. but it still isnt enough.

That is really difficult. It sounds like you still have access to them -- your D isn't preventing that? I'm sure that at a certain age, grandchildren can comprehend that grandparents have health issues that limit time spent together, and that it isn't personal. Have you already tried Zoom or FaceTime (or other internet video chat software)? It can work for some relationships to keep that connection, even if you can't be there in person. Some grandparents also send cards/letters/postcards, if the parent (like your D) is likely to actually pass those on to the grandkids. If there is a danger that your D would just throw away anything you send, consider keeping a "my thoughts about my grandchild" type journal -- writing what you'd like your grandkids to know, things you appreciate about them, what you're doing that day that you think they'd like, etc. Later, when they're older and more independent, you could gift it to them. They'd know you were always thinking of them.

My partner has done everything possible to keep the peace but now I do not want him to have anything to do with my adult children as they have caused him a lot of stress. but I don't want them to have the satisfaction of ostracising him. I think they would be quite happy if we split up.
It is a very difficult situation.

It IS difficult. Even when the pwBPD isn't in our relationship -- i.e. it's two "non's" in the relationship -- BPD can still have hugely stressful impacts on relationships. I get it.

Would your partner be ok with not engaging with your children? If you are and he is, then that could be a win and could help minimize stress in your relationship.

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Hope you've had some good moments over the last few weeks;

kells76
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2023, 11:50:44 AM »

Thank you so much for your reply. My daughter has the one child (a baby) and up to now she hasnt stopped me seeing her but she hasnt texted me or sent me pics of my grandaughter for a few weeks. I text her to ask how my grandaughter is and she texts me the bare minimum.
We had a vid call together nearly two weeks ago in which she said i am a very negative person and she feels like I hate her at times. I always try to be upbeat and I have always treated her with compassion and understanding and made alllowances for her behaviour so I dont know what more I can do.

The mutual friend has walked away from her because of the way she was treating us.

There is no-one around my daughter who is capable of taking her BPD seriously. My son has mental health problems and has issues. Her father has also shown strange behaviour over the last few years. So I am a lone voice and Ive read that a BPD's family need to be 'singing from the same hymn sheet' and encouraging them in their wild plans can be damaging.

My son has also been colluding with my daughter against us and not challenging her thinking. I have sent him information re BPD and ive had no response. I am at the stage where I feel like im losing my son, daughter ahd four grandchildren and there is nothing I can do.

So, I have pulled right back from my daughter. I have lots of hobbies and we have a group of friends who are supportive so Im concentrating on self-care. That's all I can do.

 
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