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« on: November 08, 2011, 10:19:35 AM »

Hello.  I had posted a few weeks back about a traumatic, failed relationship with a lady who exhibited many symptoms of BPD and histrionic personality disorder.  I have been successful in continuing to move on and heal and am feeling pretty good.  However, the sister and mother of this former girlfriend have both contacted me in the past 24 hours seeking my help in getting her into therapy.  The sister has researched BPD and is herself convinced that that is what her sister has, and it seems as if she has convinced the mother of this also.  What they are really asking me is for a description of behaviors I witnessed that our consistent with a problem and also for advice on how to get her into therapy and who to send her to (since the sister knows I did start going to therapy myself over the past 5 weeks).  What I am wrestling with is should I involve myself at all in this, and to what extent?  I like the family and find it encouraging that they want to get her help, but I really do not know if it is my place anymore as I have no relationship, friendship or otherwise, with this girl (nor do I want one). Also, I have kind of enjoyed not having to think about the situation in the past few weeks.   

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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 10:45:52 AM »

It's really up to you what you want to do in this situation.  You don't have any children together and there's nothing that binds you in any way from what it sounds.  If I were in your shoes I wouldn't do anything that would put me in direct contact with a pwBPD again if I didn't have to.  So if the family tries to get  a court order for therapy or something like that, I would tell them that I'd be happy to speak with someone from the court (ie. social worker), but nothing more than that.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 11:00:33 AM »

You can definately describe behaviors you have seen and say "I can't diagnose anyone and neither can you but this is what I experienced. I hope things work out for youall"

I definately would draw a boundary around 'trying to get her into therapy" in your shoes. Stepping back from the person is much more effective and it seems the family doesn;t know that yet- you can recommend they check out NAmi support groups/classes and offer this place to them if you feel ok with it (think crefully about that one)

Does this help?  It's not all of nothing- you may be able to be more helpful by offering what is appropriately helpful, rather than what they think they want/need right now when their own motors are running fast... .

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 11:07:53 AM »

I'd avoid this like the plague.

Her family has known her a lot longer than you have.  They know how she behaves. There's just no reason to drag you into it.

You are no longer with her and that's that.  THEY, however, will ALWAYS be her family.  It is appropriate for them to be concerned with this stuff, but that has nothing to do with you.

Just my two cents.

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 12:08:12 PM »

hmmmm

Family members would generally have plenty of their own first hand material, and enough anecdotal or observed infomration re: unstable relationships that go nowhere but bad... .to seek help and speak about behaviors if they want, without drawing in further stories or eye witness accounts from ex lovers.  

I really don't think they need you for this.  I could see an argument being made for it if you were a very long term person in her life, maybe, but it would still depend on what YOU feel comfortable with in terms of this kind of invovlement.  It raises red flags for me.  This sounds suspiciously like a drama in the making.  These folks learn 'drama' somewhere... .often in the home.   I would stay out of it.

By the way... .I don't have BPD... .but I would BE so completely pissed-off if my family went to an ex lover behind my back to get stories or information about my mental status... .this is such a betrayal.  There are better ways to go about this.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2011, 12:34:38 PM »

I think you can offer a different (unique) and valuable perspective. However, you need to decide whether you are able (mentally) and willing to make a contribution and if so under what conditions.

If I were in your shoes it would all depend on how I felt and whether I would be able to guard my boundaries. Most likely I would offer help. This stems from my belief that it is our duty as humans to help those in need.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2011, 01:36:01 PM »

Wils,

I agree with Turtle and Maybeso. It is betrayal on the families part and no one can force anyone into therapy if they are not ready.

This could all backfire on you and lead to smear campaigning or the like. You are out ~ you said you were doing well with your decision to leave ~ stay out!

Interventions en mas do not work with BPDs. This is actually likely to hurt her more than it is hurting you.

This is about you now!
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2011, 02:53:51 PM »

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I like the family and find it encouraging that they want to get her help, but I really do not know if it is my place anymore as I have no relationship, friendship or otherwise, with this girl (nor do I want one).

Yes. You know the right answer. It's not your place anymore. And even if you were with her, it still wouldn't be your place. It's her decision.

Do you suppose the motives of the family are to spread the weight of obligation around? Do you suppose the motives of your ex-girlfriend are to keep people obligated? This is the regressive nature of Borderline personality disorder.  Most Borderlines are forced into therapy by others.  They rarely stop and say, "it must be my issues."  That's because Borderlines are defensive by nature due to poor ego development.  This is a developmental disorder- poor ego functions and very faint boundaries because of the part time selves.

James Masterson once wrote that Borderlines rarely want to get better. He claimed the of all of his Borderline patients, only 5% truly wanted to admit themselves to therapy and do the work needed. The other 95% were there for the rewarding half of being a Borderline.  "The hidden agenda is to get the therapist to resonate with their need to be rewarded and supported and to serve as a new caretaker for them, so they will get the emotional supplies they wish they had gotten earlier in life." ~ Masterson

This is an attachment. Since Borderlines are part time selves, they resonate with mirroring others for their part time halves. A therapist (or any person for that matter) that resonates with fixing, rescuing and responding codes gives the Borderline a blueprint to behave regressively.  If the therapist isn't smart about this- the therapy will no longer be effective.  The family will be spending money in effect for an expensive friend that babysits and allows the regressive behavior to continue.

Confronting this regression and putting boundaries in place (getting better in therapy) involves getting depressed.  It involves an abandonment depression (who am I? no one loves me, no one needs me, I am so all alone, etc.) Borderlines sometimes fight to the death on this.  Borderlines will not be comfortable being alone without suffering immense anxiety. They will act out to get others to respond. They want to be taken care of.  They want people to help them "feel good" about themselves.  The closer they get to abandonment depression, the more they act out in regressive, infantile ways to keep people close. Save me! Any withdrawal by the rescuer is seen as Borderline failure to be whole and the Borderline discharges the angry tension that they feel in clinging.  This is called a "rapproachment crisis."  In looking at the notes of Borderlines in therapy- this crisis often happens after years of therapy, when the Borderline is feeling better and the therapist suggests that they are able to be alone now and end therapy.

The other hidden agenda that Borderlines have in therapy is to lure others (and the therapist) into resonating with the negative images they have of their parents- This internalized image of their punitive parent lives intrapsychically and condemns the Borderline adult for their self actualization. The fear and rage of self actualization often shape shifts and is projected upon others; perhaps it's people on the sidelines- the ex-boyfriend (you) siblings, etc. -whoever is in line of fire is now the perceived cause of their pain. Since Borderlines cast blame in order to prevent shame- It's important that the therapist realizes that this anger "fantasy world" of bad people only prevents the reality testing of abandonment depression while allowing for a split to take place in the Borderline's part time half as a good object.  That part time half lives in fear of the outside World. The all or none thinking of good versus bad has to be confronted by the therapist with the encouragement of ideas that strive for wholeness without others to attach to and to allow for grey areas in people as well as the self.

If all of this sounds like a monumental task- it is. The worst thing you can do as an onlooker is to stand-by and hope for a good outcome. The equivalent of that is watching a pot on low heat come to a boil on the stove.  You'll want to ask questions of something that has no answers.  It's all in the Borderlines distorted belief which changes with the swinging pendulum, back and forth, back and forth.  The movement is what makes the disorder so tricky to pin point.  It's the hope in therapy that the pendulum will stop swinging wildly back and forth.

The best thing you can do right now is to allow yourself some distance. Tell the family that your ex-girlfriend needs to make her own decisions- they may be surprised that you are even suggesting that. Her acting out behaviors will occur, but you'll expect them and you'll be prepared. Begin to protect yourself by looking away and focusing on your own therapy. Your own depression will occur and you'll feel badly, but that's to be expected too. Remember, when you're going through Hell, keep going ~ Winston Churchill  Good luck. Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)


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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2011, 03:14:11 PM »

Thank you all so much for the thoughtful replies.  Everyone makes really good points, although not all are in complete agreement.  I see how it will be seen as a huge betrayal for her family to talk to me (even if their intentions are "good," it still is a betrayal).  In my brief conversation with the sister, I said pretty much would has been suggested -- that no one can help her until she comes to the conclusion she is ready for this pattern to end and that she wants help.  So I think I am on the right track, and I definitely do not want to be sucked back into this and once again become a target for her anger.  So thank you again.  I will sympathetic with the family, but explain that my involvement would cause more harm than good because I have become a trigger for her rage (which I noticed in what very limited but necessary financial related communication we have had since separating).  And, as most have said, it is up to her to decide when she is ready for help. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2011, 03:19:58 PM »

Do you suppose the motives of the family are to spread the weight of obligation around?

I would be very very leary of the motives of her family... .I can speak from experience that with obligation comes responsibilty... .and when my ex's family sought my help in getting my ex help... .it was to shift responsibilty from everyone elses' shoulders onto mine... .and to put me into a permenent role as persecuter and themselves as rescuers... .and I walked willing right into it because afterall isnt that what a good husband does... .

Be very very careful pls... .you have no idea what sort of twisting anyone is capable of.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2011, 03:28:28 PM »

wils... i don't blame you for wanting to stay away. These people come into our lives and disrupt it and cause all kinds of chaos then they leave like you are nothing but a piece of garbage. We all have that wanting to help others inside of us but in the case of people with BPD... i don't know... .are you ready to have old wounds reopened?
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