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« on: May 29, 2013, 06:51:10 AM »

Ok sorry, of course this site isnt a curse (it's been amazing), but let me explain. I’m having some trouble as I’m looking back on my ex gfwBPD.  I had her move out about 4 days ago, it’s obviously still very early and I’m coping. I’ve read dozens and dozen of threads on this site, now I guess I’m trapped comparing everyone else experiences w/ their BPD partner to my own. From what I’ve read there seems to be a somewhat common trend that their BPD partners were often cold hearted, mean, violent, untrustworthy, non-affectionate, and even cheaters. When comparing those traits to my ex it almost makes her seem just fine.

The issues she did have were poor sense of self-worth, helplessness, paranoia (always worried I was up to something or some other women would swoop me away).  She battled trust issues, and she would say “it’s not that I don’t trust you but I don’t trust other women” so this basically strangled away my independence as I never attempted to go out w/ friends in fear of dealing w/ her. She was an absolutely amazing gf when things were on her terms so to speak, and when she was fully aware of all that was going on.  As soon as I exercised my independence to an extent which made her uncomfortable is when her issues really came through. And I never did anything to hurt her trust in me or to think in a suspicious way.

With that being said, she was never cold hearted and she always showered me with affection and compliments. She would have NEVER cheat on me and didn’t constantly have episodes of rage and anger (they were there but not all the time).

Regardless I was no longer happy, I was losing physical attraction to her and honestly I stopped trying. She was putting more effort into the relationship than I was after a certain point. At least she may have been, but her issues never really got a lot better so I don’t know how much that can be true. I don’t know.  I built up too much resentment and I guess I could never fully come to grips of being with and making the lifelong commitment w/ a BPD partner. Knowing these issues would take work for many years to come, it left a pit in my stomach that I could ignore. It just hard comparing her to other cause it makes her seem fine and now I have to look at if i made a mistake?

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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2013, 03:41:32 PM »

I can relate to your post.

Your ex-girlfriend's issues are the same of my ex, with the difference that he seldom voiced them. I have realized how insecure and afraid of losing me only much later, after the relationship had already ended.

He has never abused me, he has never been violent, raging or cheating.

I believe for us is even harder to forget them; my ex was, and is, a special, wonderful person who disappeared in a vortex of depression, insecurities, consequent manipulation and more. I do still love him.

Only your heart knows the answer; if you decide to be with her just remember that she's super scared and you will have to accept it. You'll have to be very, very strong and careful not to hurt her more than she already is, and not to hurt yourself in the process. It's not your fault, it's not her fault. The experiences of these boards are extremely helpful, and people here never cease to amaze me; how vulnerable, deep, articulate, intelligent are most of the posts.

On the other side, there is also you, her and your hearts. If she's special for you, she just is.

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2013, 03:47:30 PM »

Hi Jalbright and  Welcome

Ok sorry, of course this site isnt a curse (it's been amazing), but let me explain. I’m having some trouble as I’m looking back on my ex gfwBPD.  I had her move out about 4 days ago, it’s obviously still very early and I’m coping. I’ve read dozens and dozen of threads on this site, now I guess I’m trapped comparing everyone else experiences w/ their BPD partner to my own. From what I’ve read there seems to be a somewhat common trend that their BPD partners were often cold hearted, mean, violent, untrustworthy, non-affectionate, and even cheaters. When comparing those traits to my ex it almost makes her seem just fine.

As similar as our BPD loved ones are, they are still individuals who make individual choices.  They have different dispositions and different temperaments, so of course they will make different choices, to a degree.  What I would say they share in common, are the same disordered motivations and disordered thought processes.  How they react to these disordered feelings and thoughts may vary from person to person, but as far as I can tell they all have them.

The issues she did have were poor sense of self-worth, helplessness, paranoia (always worried I was up to something or some other women would swoop me away).  She battled trust issues, and she would say “it’s not that I don’t trust you but I don’t trust other women” so this basically strangled away my independence as I never attempted to go out w/ friends in fear of dealing w/ her. She was an absolutely amazing gf when things were on her terms so to speak, and when she was fully aware of all that was going on.  As soon as I exercised my independence to an extent which made her uncomfortable is when her issues really came through. And I never did anything to hurt her trust in me or to think in a suspicious way.

You say she "battled trust issues."  I say she is dealing with a disordered fear of abandonment.  Saying she doesn't trust other women is fine, but what she not saying is that she doesn't trust you either.  The thing is, she trusts you when you are right in front of her.  She doesn't trust you when she doesn't know where you are, or cannot see or contact you.  And I argue, this is because she has a disordered fear that you will suddenly disappear from her life.

And it is this disordered imagined fear of abandonment that is strangling your independence.  And one of the key differences between you and some of the other people posting on these boards is that her disordered fear of abandonment has not escalated to that degree... . yet.

See if you notice this particular pattern of behavior:

My understanding is that for people with BPD (pwBPD), their disordered feelings are particularly triggered by feelings of intimacy and familiarity.  So after episodes when she feels especially close to you, may also be followed by episodes where she reacts to her imagined fear that you would abandon her.  She may not state this outright.  She might even deny feeling this way.  You need to deduce if her behavior is consistent with this hypothesis.

So as I see it, her episodes should escalate as she grows more familiar with living with you, as you become more like *family* to her.  See what happens if there is talk of engagement and marriage.  See what happens after anniversaries or family holidays.  Observe and document if that helps you keep track.

With that being said, she was never cold hearted and she always showered me with affection and compliments. She would have NEVER cheat on me and didn’t constantly have episodes of rage and anger (they were there but not all the time).

So long as her fear of abandonment is placated by your demonstrations of commitment, why should she ever cheat on you or be upset with you?  But if her disordered feelings escalate, as I would expect they do (maybe in the following months? or years?) see if her behavior does not change.

Regardless I was no longer happy, I was losing physical attraction to her and honestly I stopped trying. She was putting more effort into the relationship than I was after a certain point. At least she may have been, but her issues never really got a lot better so I don’t know how much that can be true. I don’t know.  I built up too much resentment and I guess I could never fully come to grips of being with and making the lifelong commitment w/ a BPD partner. Knowing these issues would take work for many years to come, it left a pit in my stomach that I could ignore. It just hard comparing her to other cause it makes her seem fine and now I have to look at if i made a mistake?

Well... . if you are not happy with her.  And your attachment to her is diminishing, then I wouldn't expect her feelings of intimacy and familiarity towards you to increase.  Actually behavior should probably be directly triggering her fear of abandonment.  Because from her perspective, your diminishing attachment to her is interpreted as imminent abandonment.  She will be desperate to do anything and everything to win you back.  In some cases, pwBPD will threaten suicide in order to black mail their loved ones into staying.

If you are concerned that she may behave too desperately if you should leave her now.  Another possible exit strategy is to give her the opportunity that find someone new, while at the same time feign participation with growing discontent in the relationship (i.e., bore her out of the relationship?).  She needs to avoid abandonment.  She will interpret you leaving her as abandonment.  Let her abandon you.

You're the only person here who is directly interacting with her, so you'll have to use your best judgement to decide what is best for yourself.  Still, based on what you have written here, I don't see her behavior as inconsistent with pwBPD.

Best wishes, Schwing
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2013, 04:21:13 PM »

Jailbright, I can relate to what you are going through and did often second guess whether my ex had BPD too. Some things didn't fit all the criteria but then I also saw patterns in myself that did too. Towards the end of the marriage I was in such a state of confusion in the fact that ex tried to put BPD label on me last year and I was actually starting to believe it. It was only because of the T that saw us both, that the truth came out.

Even then, I still defended her, blamed her mother for the way she was and at one point even suggested that all she needed was a little more belief in herself, because she was an incredible person. I doubted my own and everybody elses perception of her and continued to work through my own issues in the hope that it would save our marriage.

That's when everything changed, the more confident I got, the angrier she got. Although she never cheated, she did contact previous exes and even a couple of male work colleagues and started mirroring them. She lied and tried to manipulate my friends behind my back, put distance between my female friends and me by playing everybody off against each other. All of this behaviour I didn't see and it was only after that things came to light. Even the therapist bore the brunt of a number of her rages, which I wasn't aware of because of client confidentiality. The only reason I became aware of this is because he contacted me out of hours afraid of my own safety and wellbeing after I left the marriage.

I didn't abandon her, she told me to go and I respected her wishes. It was only at the end that I saw the full extent of the damage. She has painted me black, she is withholding the children from me, basically cut me out of her life completely, blamed the therapist for turning me against her despite the fact the end of the marriage was all her own actions and self-destruction. She was the one who abandoned me but sees it the other way around and is determined to destroy my life and make me pay for abandoning her through false allegations and smear campaigns.

4 weeks ago, my mind was still debating whether she really did have BPD because all I saw was the same things you did. 3 hours prior to the complete rage, I recieved an e-mail from her telling me that if I had just opened up a little more, things could have been much different, that she loves me and always will and only wishes me goodness and happiness and that she hopes I stay in contact and tell her everything going on in my life. My mistake was not responding to her e-mail fast enough and because she hadn't heard from me within the hour, the switch flipped and the nightmare was unleashed.

Now do I believe my therapist? Every word he has to say  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2013, 04:31:52 PM »

Wow I'm sorry to hear you went thought that Murbay. That's the thing how u said she contacted Ex's and how u said the more confident u got with the relationship she got angrier. My ex wanted us so badly to work she was in heAven anytime she notice I wast thing harder and gained confidence in us.

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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2013, 05:25:31 PM »

I can so relate... .

My ex treated me like a princess.  Yes she had her issues and things didn't add up. But the way she treated me was beautiful.

I feel guilty for judging her on some lies I found out about, which escalated the whole thing when I detached a little bit, searching to understand it all. It all went mental from there and the full extent of her anger was unleashed.  I wonder if I somehow triggered the underlying BPD to go full scale, whereas before, when with me, she had kept it under wraps.

I feel like I should have loved her unconditionally.  I am so confused about it all... . maybe I deserved to lose her, maybe I was the one who wasn't good enough for her.  I know that's bad thinking but some days that is how I feel.

The whole thing is just confusing. The only thing that helps is to remind myself that no matter how much I loved her, could I have walked on eggshells the rest of my life?  No. x
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2013, 04:28:02 AM »

What type of lies if u don't mind me asking mango?
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