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« on: June 22, 2013, 01:15:02 AM »

My uBPDw talks to me in ways that I feel are flat out mean. She doesn't realize it, or at least refuses to acknowledge or agree.

For instance: Today, I got off the phone with my mom as I was walking in the house. She asked what the call was all about. I told her that my mom was talking about changing the date of the 9 household summer family reunion because of date conflicts. She immediately got mad and started venting to me about the situation.

While her frustration was totally warranted, her tone just hits a nerve that makes me feel like she's getting mad AT ME not at them or at the situation. I've told her many times that her tone makes me feel like she's coming after me. She's roundly dismissed this as not what she means, and that these situations are about her being heard and understood, and that I shouldn't just jump to being defensive.

I've given up any hope that we'll ever have an adult conversation where we share openly what is causing concerns and she comes to understand why I'm feeling attacked by her venting. What I'm seeking help with is understanding how I can get her to at least tone down the venting aggression languages that comes at me so that it's easier for me to feel like I'm not getting yelled into a corner, hands in front of my face to protect.

Any ideas?
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 09:03:52 AM »

Anyone have any thoughts?
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2013, 03:51:24 PM »

I'd like to reframe your situation, in a way that leads you toward better resolution. Let me know if I get this correctly or not:

Her venting and tone aimed at you makes you uncomfortable.

I'll call it verbal abuse.

Verbal abuse is a situation that is handled well by boundaries. this link if you haven't already:

BOUNDARIES: Upholding our values and independence

And this one is more examples of it:

BOUNDARIES: Case studies

The boundary on verbal abuse is simple: To protect myself, I will leave the conversation when it gets verbally abusive. You don't have to announce anything, just leave. If you do say something, it is far better to say it something about yourself: "I need some time" or "I can't deal with this conversation."

You can't stop her from being verbally abusive. That's a simple fact. But you can stop yourself from having to listen to it! (It doesn't matter if she continues going on and on when you aren't there anymore... . at least not to you!)

Does looking at it this way help you?
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2013, 05:02:03 PM »



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Does looking at it this way help you?

Yes and no. The language isn't meant to be, nor would I truly qualify it as verbal abuse. She has a tone and an approach that just doesn't yell with my own hangups and approach.

Here's an example:

My family is coming to our town and there's been an open question about when people are coming and who's staying with us. The family has known about it for months, but with just a few weeks out, still no resolution on time/location. Since we are hosting and therefore needing to make plans and whatnot, this is absolutely annoying. Especially to my wife, who is typically running the show for things like this.

So I get off the phone a few days ago with my mom and my wife's immediate snips "what was THAT all about?" I can already tell she's irritated. Logically, I believe it's not truly about me, per se. But after having been blamed for things direct ("You did this!" and indirect ("because of your actions three years ago, things have cascaded to this problem today!" for years, it's hard to truly accept that that's true... . but you never know.

I try put that all aside and just try to listen to her point and remind myself she's venting. But there's a tone to her language that feels very, very directed towards me, not just simple venting. Tone gets harsh, venting about someone else turns to anger towards me (hey, it's my family, after all). It's not full out yelling, and maybe someone else in my position would simply see it for the venting she actually means it to be. But for me, given who I am, our history, and who she is, it feels painful.

If I say anything about tone or boundaries, and certainly if I tried to back away/out of the conversation, it would trigger the ongoing "you are listening!" or "you aren't trying to understand what I'm going through!" that we go through regularly.

And when in moments outside of these sort of scenarios, when I say anything about her tone, she justifies it or redirects it at the real issue being that we can't ever focus on her issues.

That's why, in theory, I like the idea of drawing the boundaries, but doing so just triggers the bigger issues that will cause spiraling.

So setting boundaries doesn't seem to do much in this scenario, like it does in others. Enforcing a boundary is just a means to turn something small into something massive and completely spiraled. (I know that when people say that, it typically means that it's EXACTLY the time for such things, but hopefully I'm being clear about the differences)
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2013, 05:18:47 PM »

Hmmm... . it sounds like her tone may push a button or two for you and that's really uncomfortable.  I know, for myself that when my H would a certain tone, I would cringe.  The best thing I did for myself was to acknowledge what I was feeling and take a deep breath~~it helped me relax.  It doesn't change what or how he says things, but it keeps me from feeling anxious and it does keep things from escalating.  If I am calm and relaxed, he relaxes. 

I'm sorry there's no magic answers, but there are lots of great tools in the lessons and recommended books.  You may have to try several different things before finding what works for you, but it's worth it!
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2013, 08:06:42 PM »

So I get off the phone a few days ago with my mom and my wife's immediate snips "what was THAT all about?" I can already tell she's irritated. Logically, I believe it's not truly about me, per se. But after having been blamed for things direct ("You did this!" and indirect ("because of your actions three years ago, things have cascaded to this problem today!" for years, it's hard to truly accept that that's true... . but you never know.

Well, it seems like she either intentionally or unintentionally hits your buttons. You may say that it isn't verbal abuse... . but it absolutely is something she does to invalidate you. It is invalidating. She likely isn't aware of a plan to invalidate you and break you down... . but her actions are doing that, and will continue to do it unless you change something.

From what you say, when you try to explain to her that this bothers you, she just makes it worse, instead of being "reasonable" and trying accommodate you.

As I see it, your only way to come out ahead is to stop her from pushing those buttons.

You can try to make yourself less sensitive to it (not the same as ignoring the pain it causes), and try to come up with a better response to it. You can read some about this process in this document:

Before You Can Make Things Better, You have To Stop Making Things Worse

Or you can try stepping out as an enforced boundary when she starts pushing your buttons.

My suspicion is that as long as it "works" she will keep doing it. It is up to you to change the game if you don't like it.

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2013, 11:54:54 PM »

Perhaps it is not abuse.  But she definitely is pushing your buttons, which I can say pwBPDs do a lot.  My uBPDh does that in about 60, 70% of the conversations we have, and particularly when he has something he wants me to comply to.

Like Rockylove said, we need to help ourselves get relaxed.  You can think of it this way: she pushes your buttons to accomplish hit_.  You don't agree it's an appropriate means to do so.  This is why you have to stay calm instead of giving in, otherwise it will tell her her method is ok.

Also, you will get dragged into her emotions and it doesn't help to accomplish matters on hand.

When things get too heated or extreme, it is good to have boundaries.  But I suppose it is unreasonable to expect her to change now- she simply will not until she discovers her method is wrong.  And even then, she may refuse to change.  It is not something we can control.
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