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« on: September 29, 2015, 07:28:32 PM »

Hello, separated 9 months from a 14 year marriage and having great difficulty letting go of my need to know that my husband suffers with BPD and not something else.  Even therapist, along with family have asked me - does it really matter what the disorder is? It is consuming my life.  

My husband filed for divorce a few months after I contacted his sister  because of binge drinking issues in front of daughters. Eventually his his parents and other siblings were told about the situation.  

I wanted a short informal separation to diffuse the situation and told husband, in laws and sisters that that a formal separation would make things worse.

I came to a point where I began to lash out in response to the verbal abuse and projections. Husband filed a complaint alleging constructive desertion to protect his well being.  Since that time there has been very little communication and no remorse.  

Some things he's said while separated are, I don't want this, you forced me to do this, I miss you, I love you.  He has also called me a stalker and does not want me dropping off or picking up our daughter at his apartment.

Shortly before separation when on a drinking binge he kept repeating you hate me, you've hated me for years, there's no hope, I overwhelmed by the hate.


An attempt at counseling prior to separation, the rorscharch test revealed the following traits:

has much less capacity for stress and control than most (people), he has very few resources to cope with every day life. Emotionally "lacking" and therefore, easy to become unbalanced and because of this developed defenses and avoids challenges, has uncharacteristic responses, does not have resources and is impulsive

Affect - much less willing to become engaged when emotions are involved less psychologically complex, very simple, detached

more likely than most to have intrusive thoughts and deals with problems in escapist way, go and think about it

can be introspective and sensitive to how his behaviors affect others but has limited capacity to identify with people in his family

Self -identity is  Harder?  :)id not have a good model for self identity

Interpersonal - limited way to handle problems soundly - only on a superficial level,  can't deal with emotional stuff

so it's easy to form relationships but can't manage them

Does not process info desirably when feeling not able to deal with something specific

Good at letting things roll off back when not an emotional issue

Simplistic way of dealing with the world -opposite from me

*Strong preference to deal with things with intellect not emotions which makes it difficult to deal with emotionalism "I need to get out"

He is open minded

Has instrusive thoughts and uses fantasy to deal with things

Sexual preoccupation

* is this consistent with borderline?

Therapist said no pathology or narcissism which is what I was thinking (covert) at the time.  I wanted to go to another therapist with our results but husband would not allow me to get his records.

It's difficult to give a complete picture but the most difficult issues were the blatant denial, lack of acknowledgement, responsibility for actions, circle conversations, stonewalling, lies to avoid conflict, belittling verbal abuse and inappropriate responses (lack of empathy). Resulting in no intimacy. When I tried to resolve a conflict the issue for me became that we weren't on the same page about what is appropriate/inappropriate behavior.   So ended up feeling alone, invalididated, misunderstood, etc. I tried different ways to communicate and nothing seemed to work.  And I was blamed for everything.  I said many times, I cannot be responsible for your words and actions.

It's so hard to provide a complete picture so I'll end with comments he's made:

"You saved my life"

Well what did you do to make me do that

It's up to you whether we have a good holiday, its In your hands

You shouldn't feel like that, what are you going to do about it

Your controlling, a bully

What do you do all day, nothing

I have to get up everyday and go to work, suffer a commute, you do nothing

You had a f up childhood

Shut the f up, b___, fu, - not often, without apology

* much of his abuse revolved around information confided to him and used against me, for instance knowing that I always feel I have to be productive, and difficulty allowing myself to have fun.  I told him long ago I needed help with that. That's why his comments about what i do are so cutting.  

Get over it, your irrational, your psychotic, bipolar, hateful,

Hangs up on me if I'm "criticizing" or crying because of him, does not call back or apologize, if asked if he thinks that ok, he would justify

Outward persona: intense, quiet, lacks sense of humor, serious, childish at times  " tell me what to do", excited about a baseball game, hates crowds, private, narsiccistic, chauvenistic, cold, sarcastic, blunt, belligerent, passive aggressive,

Other persona, appearing flexible, responsible with things like picking up children taking to sporting events, punctual, do what looks right on the outside

affectionate, adoring at times, writing me many sweet, thoughtful notes, not ostentatious

Other non-borderline points:

Same Job for 20 years quality engineer

Travels for work and fishing hunting trips with family without noticeable problems

Never called incessantly,  no cutting, no suicide or threats

No abusive behavior in front of anyone else, only in private, with a few exceptions with older daughter and talking in condescending tone with mother.

Did not appear to be unfaithful, although sexual relations important to him

I need to decide what to do.  Sunday I tried to escape church without interaction but he called me, came over and wispered in my ear that he loves me, when a week earlier he told me Im not allowed on the property of his apartment parking lot.  When daughter ran off I told him I wasn't comfortable with his mixed messages, especially confusing for our daughter and asked him if he remembered the way he treated me the last time he saw me to which he replied, that's the way I felt.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 01:06:35 AM »

Hi Greeceheidired,

you are getting some professional advice and the professional thinks he exhibits the signs of BPD. So let's just assume that is a fact and build on that.

Will TS help? Not sure about that - you are already separated 9 months. So putting the separation under some managed framework will help him with abandonment. Beyond that?

What will help:

- him not drinking (affects emotional regulation, respect for boundaries and therapy)

- him attending therapy

- you avoiding invalidation

- you communicating in a validating manner

- you learning to have clear boundaries and protect these boundaries in a way that is least damaging to the relationship

Is there hope? Maybe, you got a long term relationship and kids. There are indications that you both are still attached to each other. But it won't be quick, is not sure and will take time.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2015, 08:25:44 PM »

Thank you.  Actually no one has every said borderline.  The therapist who did the rorscharch said no pathology but she was older around 70 and hadn't even heard of covert narcissstic which was my thought at the time. She said there were no signs or narsissism. I don't remember if I asked her about borderline. I have seen others therapist who will not give a opinion which find very frustrating.  Not a diagnosis just an opinion or if I should consider something else.  They don't think it matters, but it does.  The last appointment we had is when she rattled off the results for both of us in an unproductive, non dynamic way, without any time for questions. I don't think h liked or agreed with much of his results.  The part that confuses me is the emotionally lacking - maybe she meant emotionally immature, and therefore can't deal with others emotions? But she also said detached, so I think of a person void of emotions, more of a sociopath, that just doesn't care. That's what want to understand.  She also said we both are situationally depressed but that I feel it more, I have more pain and that I believe.  It doesn't sound consistent with BPD sometimes. This is simplistic but does he care too much, or is he cold and manipulative.  Big difference for me.
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