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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: April 15, 2016, 06:29:18 AM »

This is driving me mad -I don't understand what he has to do to make me move on-even now I found he is seeing someone -it is not enough to make me let go -I just keep thinking that he is using her to get over me-so it gives me hope as I think he still feels for me -I keep going over the reasons he gave for splitting -it is driving me mad-and when friends say he still loves me -It is just so hard----I just cannot accept what has happened and I don't want too. I don't want to be with anyone else -I just want him to apologize and try again.

Is it because he owes me money that I cannot detach as he communicates with me about that -I need the money Im a single female saving for a deposit for mortgage -is victim mode keeping me trapped? How can I let go of the money? I think it's because I lost £700 on a flight to Brazil -he went into a meltdown when I booked it to go with band to carnival -I didn't go in the end -so why should I loose more money-im mad at myself

I hope this is a stage to pass through -I have detached more before but it is so frustrating and exhausting to keep getting so obsessed by it

I posted on saving about denial and empathy -am I in denial -should I stop analysing and trying to find hope and empathy?

I think I need to focus on self again more

my biggest fear is meeting someone else and him coming back to me -I just cannot imagine finding anyone I feel the same about -I know it sounds teenage and stupid but I just cannot

Think my age is making it more difficult as I feel pressure to find someone else even though not fully ready -or maybe I should date maybe best cure?

I just cannot get over how open I was with him about wanting kids and proper relationship and he went along with it and made me promise I wouldn't have kids with anyone else -then this happens -I don't think the brain is capable of dealing with it -I wish I did have a kid by him at least I would have got something tangible out of the relationship and he would be forced to make change (even though logically I know that is wrong and would be so difficult)
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2016, 07:04:38 AM »

This is driving me mad -I don't understand what he has to do to make me move on

He has not got to do anything to make you move on. The only one that can make you move on are you.

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-even now I found he is seeing someone -it is not enough to make me let go -I just keep thinking that he is using her to get over me-so it gives me hope as I think he still feels for me -I keep going over the reasons he gave for splitting -it is driving me mad-and when friends say he still loves me -It is just so hard----

You don't know why he is with her but probably for the same reason he was with you. You don't know he is using her to get over you. Was he using you to get over the girl before you?

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I just cannot accept what has happened and I don't want too. I don't want to be with anyone else -I just want him to apologize and try again.

And that's why you cannot move on. Because you don't want to.

You cannot force him to do anything. Perhaps you can manipulate him in trying to recycle you but a relationship based on manipulation isn't going to work and relationships with pwBPD don't work anyway. The next recycle will just be a shorter more painful version of what you already had without the highest highs because it never gets as good as it was. So by a recycle you're just putting off where you are now to somewhere in the future with more damage done. But it's your choice.

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Is it because he owes me money that I cannot detach as he communicates with me about that -I need the money Im a single female saving for a deposit for mortgage -is victim mode keeping me trapped? How can I let go of the money? I think it's because I lost £700 on a flight to Brazil -he went into a meltdown when I booked it to go with band to carnival -I didn't go in the end -so why should I loose more money-im mad at myself

I hope this is a stage to pass through -I have detached more before but it is so frustrating and exhausting to keep getting so obsessed by it

I posted on saving about denial and empathy -am I in denial -should I stop analysing and trying to find hope and empathy?

I think I need to focus on self again more

Yes, you need to focus on you. No, it's not about the money. It's because you're addicted. Breaking up with a pwBPD is like coming off drugs. You're a junkie and you want your fix.

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my biggest fear is meeting someone else and him coming back to me -I just cannot imagine finding anyone I feel the same about -I know it sounds teenage and stupid but I just cannot

So your biggest fear isn't meeting someone else, your biggest fear is never finding someone you feel the same high for.

I understand. I feel the same. Rationally I knew I am not supposed to look for another love with these highs I just didn't feel it yet. But last night it hit me. The lows can only get so so so low because the highs are that high... .So if I don't want those lows I need to avoid the highs too...

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Think my age is making it more difficult as I feel pressure to find someone else even though not fully ready -or maybe I should date maybe best cure?

If you're a codependent, and you might be, the next one will also be someone with a PD unless you work on the codependency first. Trust me, I haven't and I have gone from one nightmare to the next.

A relationship should NEVER be a cure or a flight.

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I just cannot get over how open I was with him about wanting kids and proper relationship and he went along with it and made me promise I wouldn't have kids with anyone else

Forget about this promise. He probably made you a lot of promises too.

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-then this happens -I don't think the brain is capable of dealing with it -I wish I did have a kid by him at least I would have got something tangible out of the relationship and he would be forced to make change (even though logically I know that is wrong and would be so difficult)

In the beginning I wished this too. Or part of me did. Not my sensible part though. For ever linked to someone who can and will never change, who will make my life all about him if not simply hell and a child 'blessed' with his genes to boot? No thanks.

Read the posts from the ones who do have kids with their BPD exes. For some it is just 'so difficult' for others it is shear hell. Not to mention what the children have to go through. You would want a happy healthy child not one that has to live with an enormous burden.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2016, 09:04:22 AM »

Thank u for replying in souch thoughtful detail really helps to have a response from someone who gets what it's like. No he hadnt been with anyone for a long time he said he had given up on being with anyone - his sisters back this up i know thats not a lie - he said at the end that what we had was the pinnacle of love - he said he loves me and is attrated to me fully but does not want to b in a relationship with me. He said love is not enough sometimes - which angers me because he is basically saying he cannot be bothered to put effort into being able to accept and tolerate love and a relationship.

I know Ive just to move on

I have co dependent traits - im in therapy have been for a year now - when i met him i was so open about people needing to b responsible for issues i was not looking to fix someone he seemed sorted 1st 6 months of relationship - by then in too deep to leave

One positive strength recently have started attending quaker meetings - i finally found my spiritual home - no dogma, no room for abuse - just people dedicated to focusing on the light no matter what u think the light is - u do not have to believe in god or jesus in a pure christian sense u can puck and choose what u believe in and that's totally fine and acceptanle - is helping me become more grounded and steadfast

Onwards and upwatds!

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2016, 09:29:28 AM »

Its so annoying as the good parts were literally perfect - same same sense of humour, taste in everything, same enjoyment from drumming, dancing, nature - i wont meet anyone else with that with good looks like him as well - i feel doomed! But even as i say that i know that there were differences but what was in common seems ideal! At my age i feel im screwed people will have baggage, be boring, or absolutely mental! I'm lucky that i dont look my age at all so can attract younger men but not sure i want to now - i do know im being very black and white myself at moment
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2016, 09:45:32 AM »

Its so annoying as the good parts were literally perfect - same same sense of humour, taste in everything, same enjoyment from drumming, dancing, nature - i wont meet anyone else with that with good looks like him as well - i feel doomed!

I can relate with being black and white. I find that it helps to talk to a family member, trusted friend, or members here to get feedback and see the grey areas.

I can see how we would feel disappointed that we may not meet someone that is as perfect as our ex partners at the beginning of the relationship. I think that it helps to step back and look at the relationship from the start to finish. A pwBPD mirror their partners in the honeymoon phase of a relationship and do not have a healthy sense of self.

I found that when I was ruminating about the person that idealized me it helped to recall that she also devalued me with anger and vitriol.

PERSPECTIVES: From idealization to devaluation - why we struggle
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2016, 11:01:11 AM »

This is driving me mad -I don't understand what he has to do to make me move on-even now I found he is seeing someone -it is not enough to make me let go -I just keep thinking that he is using her to get over me-so it gives me hope as I think he still feels for me -I keep going over the reasons he gave for splitting -it is driving me mad-and when friends say he still loves me -It is just so hard----I just cannot accept what has happened and I don't want too. I don't want to be with anyone else -I just want him to apologize and try again.

I see this alot with the nons,  needing validation that the BPD does or did love them.  I think that is our own personal issue that we need to deal with.  Why does it make us feel better to know they did love us?  Because them we weren't tricked or manipulated?  We didn't waste our time? 

Their love is different than our love.  I don't think they are capable of loving us on the same level we are them.  Plus they love us deeply for months  and then they don't,  then they do, then they don't.  Who really wants that kind of love? It doesn't even matter if they say they "love" us, they treat us poorly.  We deserve better. Them saying "I love you" doesn't mean sh*t.  Go back to the basics, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.    Bottom line, whatever it is, it isn't LOVE.  Not the way you view love.  They may have believed it in the moment but once the moment passes then what?  Cause it will pass over and over again and you will be feeling left empty and unloved. 

"Its so annoying as the good parts were literally perfect - same same sense of humour, taste in everything, same enjoyment from drumming, dancing, nature - i wont meet anyone else with that with good looks like him as well - i feel doomed! "

The good parts were literally perfect?  What about the bad parts?  If you were looking for an automobile and you saw a car that had a perfect front end but the sides and back were all smashed in, you would be able to see that the big picture here is the car is partially perfect, it's a piece of junk. 

The problem is the BPD paints this perfect picture for us for months, ties into our future dreams and then one day just starts tearing it down saying that it is because of something we did so we run around trying to put it back together again.  but it is impossible to do so you feel helpless.  I had it once, why can't I have it again... .the answer is because he is not well.  What happened in the beginnning of the relatinship wasn't real, what you are experiencing now is the reality of your future with this partner.  The hard part is him rejecting you.  Try to realize that you don't really want him.  That helped me to move on, maybe it will help you too.

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2016, 11:34:47 AM »

This is driving me mad -I don't understand what he has to do to make me move on-even now I found he is seeing someone -it is not enough to make me let go -I just keep thinking that he is using her to get over me-so it gives me hope as I think he still feels for me -I keep going over the reasons he gave for splitting -it is driving me mad-and when friends say he still loves me -It is just so hard----I just cannot accept what has happened and I don't want too. I don't want to be with anyone else -I just want him to apologize and try again.

I see this alot with the nons,  needing validation that the BPD does or did love them.  I think that is our own personal issue that we need to deal with.  Why does it make us feel better to know they did love us?  Because them we weren't tricked or manipulated?  We didn't waste our time? 

Their love is different than our love.  I don't think they are capable of loving us on the same level we are them.  Plus they love us deeply for months  and then they don't,  then they do, then they don't.  Who really wants that kind of love? It doesn't even matter if they say they "love" us, they treat us poorly.  We deserve better. Them saying "I love you" doesn't mean sh*t.  Go back to the basics, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.    Bottom line, whatever it is, it isn't LOVE.  Not the way you view love.  They may have believed it in the moment but once the moment passes then what?  Cause it will pass over and over again and you will be feeling left empty and unloved. 

"Its so annoying as the good parts were literally perfect - same same sense of humour, taste in everything, same enjoyment from drumming, dancing, nature - i wont meet anyone else with that with good looks like him as well - i feel doomed! "

The good parts were literally perfect?  What about the bad parts?  If you were looking for an automobile and you saw a car that had a perfect front end but the sides and back were all smashed in, you would be able to see that the big picture here is the car is partially perfect, it's a piece of junk. 

The problem is the BPD paints this perfect picture for us for months, ties into our future dreams and then one day just starts tearing it down saying that it is because of something we did so we run around trying to put it back together again.  but it is impossible to do so you feel helpless.  I had it once, why can't I have it again... .the answer is because he is not well.  What happened in the beginnning of the relatinship wasn't real, what you are experiencing now is the reality of your future with this partner.  The hard part is him rejecting you.  Try to realize that you don't really want him.  That helped me to move on, maybe it will help you too.

Bunny I love your car analogy! I'm going to remember that and use it, referring to you. It's right up there with the Ding Dong remark from member 2009 I think it was.
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