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« on: February 16, 2020, 06:25:26 AM »

Hi BPDfamily,

Two weeks ago my BPD GF broke up with me. I posted here about it at the time and the advice here has helped me cope. We were LDR for 10 months and met up 3 times. It was the, what i'm coming to realise as, typical intense attraction followed by a period of steady devalue.

Things were not bad. Yeah, she had become highly critical, but these moments rarely turned into anything serious and at other times she was still warm, affectionate, loving. It caught me completely offguard when she pulled the plug on the relationship and not having her around has been extremely painful.

Her reasons for ending it were that she didn't like who she was, she wasn't good for anyone, and she needed to be alone in order to work on herself. She was also depressed and has only just started taking medication for that. She was not looking for a relationship when I initially met her, but she was so head over heels for me that it didn't matter. Bottom line now is that I was clearly devalued to the point where it just wasn't worth it for her anymore. She is very self aware about her BPD and knew that her mind was finding irrational ways to push me away, but unfortunately knowing about it doesn't change it.

We agreed to remain friends (her suggestion). I was hesitant at first because I was feeling very raw and didn't know if it would be a good idea, but I decided I wasn't ready to shut the door on her forever.

We've spoken briefly 3 or 4 times in the 2 weeks following the breakup. She has always been the one to reach out to me and I've noticed that she was markedly less cold. She seemed to involuntarily open up a couple of times, telling me that it hurts so much, and on another occasion telling me that she still 'gets off' to our memories. She was on the verge of voice calling me one time but then didn't.

I've remained friendly and passive throughout the short exchanges. It's very hard for me not to chase her but I'm coping. I want to tell her how I dream about her every night (this really PLEASE READing sucks) and how much I still want her, but I'm worried that right now it seems like she has no interest in being with anyone (she told me she was hit on and turned them down - information I really didn't need to know!).

I've read a lot of posts the past couple of weeks and know that this might be the end and it might not. I want to rekindle with her, I really do. I haven't felt this way about anyone before and I've always been very open to dealing with the BPD aspects of the relationship. I'm very high in agreeableness so I'm able to respond to her criticism without getting emotionally involved.

So I guess I'm looking for advice on how to handle the "friends" deal if my goal is to reverse the breakup (bear in mind we are LDR). Should I always be available when she wants to talk? Should I chase her? Should I make myself myself hard to reach? Should I compliment her? Should I reminisce about the good times? Should I pretend like I'm moving on?

I realize that the level of context is probably lacking at some level, but maybe there is some general advice which may prove useful. Regardless, thanks for reading!

I would also be interested to know if this is perhaps a pattern that someone has experienced before, and what I could expect from it.









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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2020, 11:38:58 AM »

Your story is quite similar to mine. Broken up, still on talking terms, LDR. I had and still have trouble figuring out how to handle being in touch with my ex, when we’re not together and I want her back. I’m not as wise as some of the board veterans, but I’ll take a crack at a few thing you said.

So I guess I'm looking for advice on how to handle the "friends" deal if my goal is to reverse the breakup (bear in mind we are LDR). Should I always be available when she wants to talk?


I say, be as reasonably available as you actually are. But to that, I’ll add, if you’re constantly available, that means you’re not really focusing on doing things for yourself. Even staying home, you can prioritize yourself, like really prioritize (“this is my Netflix time” for example) yourself. I don’t think the idea should be to play games by desperately wanting to reply to her and holding yourself back, but rather to not be available because you have very good reasons to not be available (i.e. focusing on yourself). The other thing is, being in constant contact with her while not being together might make things difficult for you, which it sounds like it might. You didn’t mention, or maybe I missed it, but how do you feel when you do talk to her? Neutral? Good? Bad?
 
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Should I chase her? Should I make myself myself hard to reach? Should I compliment her? Should I reminisce about the good times? Should I pretend like I'm moving on?
I don’t think you should chase her, she has expressed a desire to be alone. Better to give it some time for now. Many members including myself will tell you about how over chasing backfired on them and made things worse. Same for compliments. You’re not together, and compliments are not what will fix things. They often have the opposite effect. And don’t pretend you’re moving on, and instead do things for yourself, that help you detach and lessen the constant focus on her. You seem to be doing a pretty good job at not chasing already, even though I know it’s so, so hard. It’s a good thing to have the lines of communication open, and that she still shows some warmth is something which you could build on in the future. You need to be in a good place for that, and the breakup is fresh for the both of you. Here is a post by once removed in response to my thread that I found really helpful:
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=342394.msg13100729#msg13100729

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I would also be interested to know if this is perhaps a pattern that someone has experienced before, and what I could expect from it.

I can absolutely relate and to be honest I’m still not sure exactly how to proceed in my case, other than understanding my own immediate need to take better care of myself, during this time of hardship. My ex and I have been broken up, and she has devalued me, while also telling me things about getting off to thoughts of me, best sex she’s ever had, misses me, etc. But she also disappears for days, finds multiple old/new unreasonable reasons why we’re incompatible and discounts all the reasons why we are compatible, and ultimately has told me she’s not looking for a relationship at this moment. I’ve been all over the place, from wanting to message her nice things, to not wanting to message her at all. It’s been super hard, and I’ve often fallen in a deep dark place where I’ve tried to calculate and analyze each move I make with her while forgetting about and destroying myself in the process. You don’t seem like you’re as susceptible to falling down as hard as I am, but I will still recommend that you take whatever steps you need to to make yourself feel good first, before worrying about making her feel good. Like on an airplane, where they tell you to put the oxygen mask on yourself first before attending to another person. Here are a few things that have worked for me last year, as well as some things which I now realize didn't work. Not saying they all 100% apply to your situation, but I hope it helps:

What has worked:
- Taking a step back from the day to day contact
- Stop constantly checking my phone to see if she messaged me. And stop looking at her social media
- Let her initiate most contact, don’t ignore her messages but reply to her when it was actually a good time for me. Be positive and friendly, and supportive if needed, but nothing much beyond that. For example, last year, even after not hearing from her for days, I texted her “this is your first Easter without your dad, just know that my thoughts are with you and your family. Happy Easter”, and then I backed off. Supportive, but nothing in there about love or the relationship.
- Talking to my support group a lot, and trying to do things for myself like running, gym, weekend getaway, etc. Basically, doing things to make myself feel good and actually live my life, and I know she felt my confidence when we did end up speaking and wondered if I had moved on or found someone else. Even when I was doing my best to live my life, I still had that baseline sadness over the breakup, but at least I was living life.
-Setting boundaries by telling her I don’t want her to send me “I love/miss you” texts if she has no intention of being with me, since those things just kept giving me hope that would just get crushed in the end anyway.

What hasn’t worked:
- Sending her overly loving/romantic text messages
- Trying to force the topic of getting back together
- Not setting boundaries and letting her contact/ignore me in any way SHE wanted. Everything was at her whim, and I went along with it, in desperation. I sent her a heartfelt “I want to fly down to see you, I really miss you, are you open to that?” once, and she ignored it for hours while I sat there miserable, waiting for her to reply. Why did she read it and still ignore it? Because she was at home with her friend drinking wine, too busy to give a crap about my feelings. Not even a "hey I'll reply to you later".
-Complementing her
- Trying to make the conversation sexual, when it wasn’t the right time.

I know how hard this is.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2020, 12:54:07 PM »

Thanks for the in-depth reply. Sounds very familiar.

It's comforting to know that I'm doing the best thing. When we do talk I tell her that I really want her to do what's best for her, even when she tells me she loves me I say she needs to be strong and stick to it. I don't reminisce or profess love. I've started some new activities and we talk about that a little. I'm trying my best to project confidence even though I don't feel it.

The part about setting boundaries I think is important. In the moment it feels like a spark of hope when she says she loves me or that she still thinks of me, but ultimately if she is not planning to follow through on it then it is just unfair to me.

I would say that when we do talk it feels very awkward to me. I don't really know where her mind is at as she is constantly jumping between thoughts of regret, love and then indifference. I don't know how to respond and feel kinda paralyzed by the whole thing, so I end up not saying much. I feel sad after each conversation as they are a reminder that things are different, but I don't want to cut her out because I love her deeply.

Last night was particularly bad for me. I spent all night lying in bed thinking about our last week together and what I should have done differently. In the end I feel asleep and had vivid dreams of us. The mind is making this incredibly difficult and I think I just have to be more committed to self love, as in really doing things for myself and not just to look good for her.





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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2020, 03:44:56 PM »

I would say that when we do talk it feels very awkward to me. I don't really know where her mind is at as she is constantly jumping between thoughts of regret, love and then indifference. I don't know how to respond and feel kinda paralyzed by the whole thing, so I end up not saying much. I feel sad after each conversation as they are a reminder that things are different, but I don't want to cut her out because I love her deeply.
I know how that feels. Sounds like you're understandably still affected by her own swings in mood. Taking some time for yourself might help with that. That doesn't mean you have to cut her off. You want the relationship to be rekindled, and you two are still on talking terms. And she still says she loves you. I know that's a far cry from an actual relationship, but things could be a lot worse, as others will testify.

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Last night was particularly bad for me. I spent all night lying in bed thinking about our last week together and what I should have done differently. In the end I feel asleep and had vivid dreams of us. The mind is making this incredibly difficult and I think I just have to be more committed to self love, as in really doing things for myself and not just to look good for her.
Hang in there, man. The self-blame and second guessing is part of it all. We've all been there. Don't be too hard on yourself, its still so fresh. Even if you had been "perfect", do you think the relationship would have been without issues? It takes two to build a dynamic, and there are likely things she did or didn't do that led to the dissolution of the relationship as well. That's with or without BPD. Learning from the past is a good way to move forward. And I don't say any of this stuff lightly. You'll find recent posts of mine talking about how depressed I've become, how little time I've invested in myself lately, how consumed I've become with trying to get her back. So when I talk about being kind and loving to yourself, I know that even as you do that, you'll have sadness in you, behind it all. I'm trying to accept this sadness and continue on, so that its not the only thing that I'm feeling. Posting here has helped me with that too.
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2020, 11:11:12 AM »

Haven't heard from her for a week when we had a friendly chat. I want to reach out and tell her I miss her but I don't want to push her away even more. I've managed to get any thoughts of blame out of my head but my brain still can't quite process how she can be in love with me so much one moment then put me on a shelf in the back of the cupboard the next. I didn't do anything wrong except love her and support her. It's just so frustrating and sometimes I feel anger welling up inside like how could she build something special with me and just flush it down the toilet, but I know better than to act on it. Doing nothing is so hard.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2020, 09:48:51 AM »

I want to reach out and tell her I miss her but I don't want to push her away even more.

i wouldnt be so direct.

lot of experience of wearing my heart on my sleeve and an ex partner not knowing what to do with it.

being friends with an ex is hard, and usually involves a big transition period. we understand that this is in mind with your goals to rekindle the relationship. it can be even harder to navigate.

if you want to reach out, why not do so, but more low key? just something warm and friendly that you would otherwise be inclined to share with her?
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