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Think About It... Rumination is a mode of responding to distress that involves repetitively and passively focusing on symptoms of distress and on the possible causes and consequences. Ruminating often precedes onset of depression. However, emotional memory can be managed for those who are haunted by the experiences of their past. ~Joseph Carver, Ph.D
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Author Topic: Prediction of the 10-Year Course of BPD - Mary C. Zanarini, Ed.D.,  (Read 1367 times)
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2010, 01:30:26 PM »

Thank you for posting the information about the new study, Skip.  I've read lit reviews covering hundreds of studies and this is the first one I recall that dealt with social and vocational functioning, as opposed to merely failure to meet the criteria for the dx.

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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2010, 06:10:58 AM »

But these are BPD's who are in treatment.. from my 20 odd year experience with my BPD mum, it's very difficult to get them to admit anything is wrong and the need for any treatment. What are the odds of someone in denial recovering just miraculously? Is it zero? And how do you get them into treatment?

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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2010, 09:26:21 AM »

Hi everyone!

I'm new to this particular forum and still have to send my introduction but I have the same question as "Neverending" except it applies to my uBPDH of nearly 22 years.  Forever I've felt like there is no hope...and almost automatically find myself predicting the answer to this question.  The timing and this article gives me hope smiley   I'm returning to the on-line support group after a couple of years of going totally NC with my H after separating and also disengaging w/my www-page-not-found-net group since 2007.  Clearly "I'm back" which means I'm seeking help again. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2010, 07:23:56 PM »

I liken it to a flaw in the basic operating system of the mind (faulty logic code installed during initial programming). Humans are extremely adaptable and can find creative workarounds and/or ways to mask it but the flaw will resurface unless it is truly overwritten.

Love this. Overwriting takes time and effort, but is possible. I'm watching it happen with my daughter, as she has gone through DBT and CBT and worked to get her meds on-line. Fascinating, and I wonder if I had been able to watch myself recover (in the 80s) would I have seen similar changes.

In my Hs case, he was always very high functioning, had no other mental illness issues or addictions and Ive felt that was always a big asset to his recovery.


I agree. The BPDs I know (including my BPD sister) who I'm pretty sure will never get real help share this- there are significant comorbidities, particularly addiction. I'm on the fence about high vs low functioning...could be associated, ironically enough, with a more intransigent denial.

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2011, 07:39:52 AM »

intransigent denial ?

What exactly do you mean by that ?
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2011, 12:18:37 PM »

in·tran·si·gent also in·tran·si·geant (n-trns-jnt, -z-)


Refusing to moderate a position, especially an extreme position; uncompromising.


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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2011, 06:58:02 PM »

thank you lbjnltx!

By which i mean that someone who is high functioning (working, able to socialize normally, unaddicted) may find it easier to believe that they are not affected by mental illness, whereas someone who is low functioning has "proof" of their dysfunction staring them in the face (homeless, jobless, etc). 

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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2015, 06:37:34 PM »

I believe the hater phase is inevitable, even if you learned all the boundary making and the BPD got all the DBT in the world, it would only delay doomsday
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2015, 07:15:27 PM »

I agree 100%.  I find all of the boundary-making and validation approaches to just sound ridiculous and ultimately inconsequential (at best).  I will admit though that I never had the opportunity to employ these approaches because I didn't discover them until I went NC.  And as far as DBT goes, I can say that my ex was doing it and she was eager to get better, but it was absolutely no match for the BPD hard-wiring in her brain.      
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2015, 07:19:51 PM »

When we have lost a SO, it is understandable to be angry, hurt, and believe that the breakup was inevitable. However, the research shows that DBT and other forms of therapy can be effective. Can you help me to understand your generalizations here and why you disagree with the research?
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