Karma and Revenge ?

[truly amazed]

Hi,

Its been a long time nearly 9 months now since I was dumped and she moved on to her new toy. She kept me on a string for a few months despite the new BF and me not knowing what the hell was going on.

Anyhow total NC for 4 months and its been very good. Have done a lot of growing and know why I was in the RS and stuck around. In a new RS and its going very well.

Karma I always believed takes care of itself and in many ways post RS a lot of people were very kind to me despite supposidly being friends with my ex. Some even her closest were sent packing by her in the turmoil she calls a life. All of it very sad when freinds closest of friends were dropped on their heads just like me post RS.

Revenge and not talking about something stupid but it is always with amazement I find myself being interested in this when I know deep down their is no revenge on a person with no conscience or empathy.

Having ignored and not responded to breaches of NC for many months yet again I get the attempts at contact and another last week which I ignored.


It makes me to be honest mad that she cheated on me at the end of our RS ... .likey a few times during our RS and she is attempting to make contact to still be friends. Her new BF himself has a  PD and certainly no conscience or remorse for what he did to his ex.


My question I suppose is ... .karma in many ways has changed my ex's life ... .and I am not really wanting revenge but it makes me mad when she has zero understanding of what she did to another. Even she admits how kind I was and it alternates in her mind between black and white. Obviously with NC ... .I have no idea but attempt after attempt just keeps happening.


I know and know sadly from the 5 times I took the bait it would just end with me being abused ... .accused and painted black again.

Galling is this attempt at contact and repeated attempts to try and keep me in her life.


She prances around without a care in the world ... .  I dont dwell on this ... .her new partner who was a friend same thing.

I have the ability to change both their lives by making some information published on the internet about them public and it would frankly change their lives ... .revenge ... .and its tempting to change their lives totally and having problems dealing with this dilemma.


Essentially think if the information was to become known to their emplyer they would loose their job. They shouldn't be working in that job not with their history and again shows how little remorse someone with a PD actually has.

Struggling with this issue ... .do I ... .or don't I ?

[D]

I largely lack religious leanings, but there is a good reason for the concept of Karma, and/or the idea that judgment belongs to God alone.

It stops you doing stupid things and wasting your time. Revenge = not moving on.

Unless releasing this information will actually protect others from some danger, don't bother. You've got better things to do. Things related to your life, not hers.

[truly amazed]

Hi D,

Have moved on and am actually happy. It is irking me that she keeps trying to breach NC and is oblivious to what she did. Her new partner is even worse and has caused just as much if not more havoc in my life than my ex. He was the one who was cheating with my ex not me.

It just keeps on going despite the fact the RS is over with my ex ... .no interest at all ... .and her new BF keeps sprouting rubbish about me.

Not about letting go. I would never ever go back, not in a million years.

Its about turning the other cheek and boundries and keep getting kicked up the behind by both these idiots. Approaching either to try and get the villification to stop a waste of time. Whilst I know I am being painted white right now by my ex hence the attempt at breach of NC ... .I know if I did ... .within days I would be painted black.

I am sick of rubbish coming out of her news toys mouth ... .stories she has sprouted to him about me being something I am not. I didn't even raise my voice during our RS vs ... .physical abuse on her part and every trick in the BPD handbook.

I am struggling not acting and changing her new toys life revealing his very public past.


If I were to even attempt to speak to him about it and tell him to stop ... .he denied it was happening or him despite being told from first source people ... .the ones he was telling  what he said and was doing.

No a vengance sort of person at all but this is tempting.

I would loose little or no sleep doing it ... .he is if anything even worse than my ex BPD partner. 

[D]

Oh, I don't mean letting go in terms of going back or not going back.

I mean letting go in terms of no longer having the past relationship be part of your life or something you find you have to think about much.

Her attempts to break NC are making that hard. I'm sorry that's happening to you. I would guess that making trouble for her won't help that at all, though. Probably better to just pretend not to notice?

[2010]

I have the ability to change both their lives by making some information published on the internet about them public and it would frankly change their lives ... .

Well the good news is... .you're not a psychopathic lynch mob of one.  You've actually stopped by here to post this before you impulsively rained retribution down upon them (with the odd reasoning that it makes you look like the better person.) That *is* odd thinking, isn't it?  That you have to police their karma and make judgment because you feel you have the power to do so?

Karma is action and reaction. You'll have some reaction to my post- therefore my karma is in the action of writing it and your reaction that comes from my action. What do I get out of the karma? Hopefully understanding. Now if we apply this action/reaction to your *desire* to publicly humiliate your ex and her new partner- what understanding do you all take away from it?  That you will be heard? That you are powerful and undefeated?

Your desire for retribution is the classic drama triangle of three people that is used in every Twilight film, Greek Tragedy and TV soap opera. Who is the victim? You? Your Ex? Your Ex's new partner? You could keep revolving in a game of musical chairs until you all are defamed, deflated and destroyed.

The only way to win is not to play.

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[WalrusGumboot]

Karma is always at work. No matter what she does, who she is with, or what she obtains, she will never find happiness.

Now it is your turn to find the happiness that will always elude her.

[Goofy Goober]

Isn't it assuring enough that she will, without any professional help, go on like this forever, moving from one bad relationship to the next?

[truly amazed]

Hi,

2010

The only way to win is not to play.

Exactly ... .it however becomes tiring the villification even after 9 months. Having looked at the roles and my own role in the RS saving the victim ... .I sadly like many who are in a RS with someone with BPD are left as the victim. Quite different however is that I dont wear it on my sleeve and its just a simple thing I came out worse for wear as did most out of the RS.

Right now however I actually gained a lot more via the RS and growth than was taken from me.

Goofy Goober

I doubt my ex BPD partner learnt a single thing from our RS together which is just sad.

WalrusGumboot

Now it is your turn to find the happiness that will always elude her.

I have found it ... .in some ways under threat via the ex and her new partner also with a PD ... .

For now I will not play but under threat via weekly snipes at me and my new partner its becoming hard to turn the other cheek  ?

[nick212]

Their life is karma.

[moonleaf]

When it comes to the issue of karma, I believe it isn't up to us to dole it out ... .I believe that's the job of the universe.

When it comes to revenge, I don't believe in seeking revenge against any person. I believe in letting the universe take care of whatever needs to occur for the soul to learn from its behaviour.

Each person must answer to themselves. It's not up to me to judge you or another person. I can only judge myself.

If a person harms another person, one must ask what their state of mind was. In the case of a pwBPD, I don't think they're using the same deck of cards as the rest of us.

Despite what my ex BPD BF did to me (and it was a lot of negative things), I have no desire for revenge. I see him as an unfortunate person whose life is likely never going to be good. I think he will never seek therapy so really there's probably little hope for a better life for him.

If karma exists, then I believe the karma of our situation is that I am now free of him and my life is restored, and he will never have me back in his life again. I can't think of a worse thing for him than losing me. I am the person who loved and helped him in every way possible -- the most of anyone ever in his life.

Your ex-GF has lost the most wonderful person in her life ... .you. Nothing you could do in revenge could be worse than that. As well, if you seek revenge, there could be karma for you in doing that.

Given your ex-GF's and other BPD people's situations, I think we (as non pwBPD) must try and be compassionate and realize they are seriously ill people.

The focus needs to be on ourselves in coming to understand why we allowed ourselves to be drawn into and stay in a relationship with an abusive pwBPD. We must focus on our own healing.

So let go of your anger, and let go of your thoughts of revenge, and let yourself heal. This would be the best karma for you.

[truly amazed]

Hi Moonleaf,

Beautiful and well said.

Many thanks for that.

Hard to be a good person which I have been all my life ... .I realise the ex is sick and with BPD. I wish her no real harm its her BF actually causing mayhem above and beyond her own BPD driven issues.

I suppose being honest I should thank him for saving me from more pain and misery. Thats exaclty what he did ... .saved me. I dont really feel anything towards him other than contempt for the damage he is trying to cause me. One never ever knows what my ex BPD is telling him and driving him on the attack.

Your GF has lost the most wonderful person in her life ... .you. Nothing you could do in revenge could be worse than that. As well, if you seek revenge, there could be karma for you in doing that.

Oh so true about tha karma and thanks for the kind words.

Will as always just turn the other cheek which at times is difficult.


take care 

[moonleaf]

Yes, it's not easy to be a good person. And I would venture to say that it's because you are a good person, that she got drawn to you and knew on some level she could hook you.

I wouldn't worry about her new BF. He, like you, will eventually be history too. He is just another BF in what will likely yet be a long line ahead of BFs for her. This is part of her illness.

I understand how difficult this is for you because probably, you, like me, suffer when someone says bad things about you ... .especially untrue things as pwBPD do when they are painting someone black.

If your ex-GF's new BF is in any way intelligent, he will take what she says about you with a grain of salt. I remember doing that when my ex-BF told me things about his ex's. As time went on, and I became privy to his negative behaviour, I came to see the other side of the story. Hopefully this guy will too once she starts showing him her true colours.

[OnceConfused]

Truely amazed:

Holding grudges against your x is akin to let her/him LIVE RENT-FREE in your heart. By letting her go like releasing your hand after holding tight a pencil for a long time, you will find the peace. You will not find peace and happiness by revenging.

Try this excercise. Breathe in with a count of 4, then slowly breathe out with a count of 4 , then hold the empty breath for a count of 8. Immediately, your lung will inhale automatically and deeply after you release the hold. You will feel a sense of new life. Similarly, holding the grudges against your x is like holding that empty breath for a long time. You won't allow the fresh air to come in.

Personally, I am still thankful for the xBPD to enter my life for a short while. Despite the pain, the confusion, in the end I did learn so much. I learn about letting go of those who are w hatred and disharmoney if I want peace in my life. I learn to love you also have to be loved. So if you cann't be loved then it is time to move on. That is how I grew, my friend. I did not let her BPD venom travel past the point of injection.

[moonleaf]

Personally, I am still thankful for the xBPD to enter my life for a short while. Despite the pain, the confusion, in the end I did learn so much. I learn about letting go of those who are w hatred and disharmoney if I want peace in my life. I learn to love you also have to be loved. So if you cann't be loved then it is time to move on. That is how I grew, my friend. I did not let her BPD venom travel past the point of injection.

This is exactly what I believe to be the purpose of life! I believe we are here to experience, both good and bad, and to learn and grow from those experiences.

Like you, OnceConfused, I learned a lot from my relationship with my BPD ex-BF. I, too, am grateful for having grown from it. And, having grown from it, I have found peace from it.

[truly amazed]

Hi Once confused ... .

Wish I was there.

Personally, I am still thankful for the xBPD to enter my life for a short while. Despite the pain, the confusion, in the end I did learn so much. I learn about letting go of those who are w hatred and disharmoney if I want peace in my life. I learn to love you also have to be loved. So if you cann't be loved then it is time to move on. That is how I grew, my friend. I did not let her BPD venom travel past the point of injection.

I accept where and who I am now.

I have grown via the painful experience and do not hold a grudge ... .such is life and accept and are grateful in a stange way for the RS.

I think moonleaf has where I am closer to the mark. I have moved on with my life and am happy but every week either I am attacked or my new partner has a similar experience.

Yep I suppose I am giving time to them and her rent free !

[katrinajusthitme]

I thought about Karma quite a bit.

At one point I realized that she must have been MY Karma too.

[Willy]

I thought about Karma quite a bit.

At one point I realized that she must have been MY Karma too.

Good point!

[aussiecowboy]

The very last words I said to my exBPD was "Karma's gunna get you"

I spent 8 years in a relationship with a person who is NPD and another 2 years trying to be his friend, the behaviour of an NPD is no better, I no longer talk with him but since the break up 2 years ago and moving out but staying in contact trying to be his friend I have seen all his karma come back and get him and I might say in a very big way, I don't seek revenge for the wrongs people have done to me because I have seen karma work in their lives and so I know that in the end they will get what they deserve, the sad thing about it is they have not learnt anything from it and continue to push their s**t on to people.

The exBPD said to me in their last email that was sent explaining why they walked out on me that they wanted to go and get the life they deserved, I said to him "What is it you think you deserve when you go around doing this sort of thing to people, look what you have just done here and you think you deserve a good life (feelings of anger rising here), you will get what you deserve, karma's gunna get you... .sad thing is he told me a 100 times that he wanted his life to be with me, he lost a good person, he will realize that one day and feel shame for what he did and the nasty things he said to me. I will probably never see the karma that comes upon him but I know inside that he will get exactly what he deserves, I just hope though that he remembers what he did and what he said and learns from it.

[aussiecowboy]

I thought about Karma quite a bit.

At one point I realized that she must have been MY Karma too.

have thought about this also, have I done something so bad to somebody that I am getting my karma ?

I can't help but think though in my situation being a gay male that I get sent these things because of Gods disapproval of homosexuality and that he will bring upon me each time when I get into a relationship with somebody who will be much worse than the last until I learn not to have gay relationships, I can't help feeling the way I do about my sexuality but God disapproves none the less, is it karma or is it a lesson for me to learn, I have no idea because I can't recall treating somebody badly that I should have this come into my life... .just my thoughts on it.

[Goofy Goober]

Why would God single you out? There are a lot of succesful gay relationships. Why doesn't God interfere with them? It's just a couple of paragraphs in the bible, but that doesn't make it so. Times change. Even God must realize that.

[truly amazed]

Oh Boy,

Its been now 11 months post RS for me and about the same for my new partner. Both of us are happy together but both of us from RS with someone with a PD.

The story sadly continues and I have little hope it will stop. Last month saw my ex try to re connect twice and then demand something back via blocked email ... .she didn't even own. It was not even hers.

Of course I totally ignored her attempts and as far as she knows they went no where ... .but still they continue after 11 months. She as far as I know with her new toy and to the world is happy. Sadly from when I was allowing breaches of NC ... .6 months ago ... .nothing could be further from that truth.

Anyhow I dont care about her.

What is currently going on is my new GF has been getting unknown calls for the last 8 months. We were unsure who they were... .we both got a series of calls from my ex ... .but they stopped some time ago ... .both to our work. My new partner has been getting these unknown calls at random ... .but now we sadly now know its her ex calling. Even worse he turned up at her work under the guise of his job and confronted her face to face with a smirk on his face.

If I object ... .he will hide behind it was his job... .complain to his job ... .again he will hide behind that and play into his hands. He like my ex strongly suspect of NPD/BPD or a sociapath.

My new partner ... .after this  encounter ... .got yet another unknown call about an hour after it ... .so not hard to read between the lines. one call is fine but minimum this is call number 50 ... .and the fact that her ex has totally been able to avoid her work for 12 months and then turns up ... .


I have had enough.

Sadly any reasonable way I look at it I am left with little choice but to play dirty.

The evidence I have or just the truth about her ex ... .nothing to do with their RS ... .but his professional career leaves me wondering how stupid his current employer is ? Would you hire say an arsonist as a fireman ? Its worse than that ... .and well documented on the internet.

If I was to ask the person in charge of this business to stop him coming EVER to her work it wouldn't work ... .

If I asked her ex not to come again it plays into their hands.


My current partner feels totally violated after an encounter with him yesterday and she endured well over 10 years abuse at the hands of this monster. And he turns up and smirks at her demanding she converse with him on work related issues.

This is not about karma ... .or actually revenge ... .its about having a monster torment someone under the guise of work because they can.

Whilst he violated my new partners newfound life post Rs with someone with a PD ... .this time he is actually flaunting it in her face and has crossed my boundaries.

Do I pull the trigger ? Not a gun but making his life be turned on its head ?

No I don't need validation to take action. I am left with no choice ... .If its allowed to continue it will destroy my new partner and give her ex exactly what he wants. She of course could change jobs but its a good job she has done for many years and is well rewarded and thought of and little other avenues for her. Again that would be a win for the ex.

In many ways yet another pathological double blind where they win every turn of the way. I act ... .and they will not know it me ... .they still win.

Turning the other cheek I sadly suspect now not an option as her ex has upped the ante ... .

Wonder how he will deal with being unemployed and unemployable ?

[Mouser]

You're going to make a mistake mate.

Let your present lady friend ask her problem exbF out for an innocent cup of coffee and then let her lay down the law - you join them at exactly the 15 minute mark as support. If he continues she should go to her boss or bosses' boss.

Don't do revenge. That's God's perogative - not your's.

[truly amazed]

Hi Mouser,

Mistake ? yes maybe.

Any contact my to to her ex ... .he is if anything a worse monster than my own ex . Any contact with someone with this sort of PD ... .feeds them ... .their emotional needs. In many ways emotional vampires whether they be positive or negative emotions.

As such contact just plays into some stupid game they will then know is working. This is someone who tortured my new partner ... .and has been calling her just to hear her voice every week.

Going to bosses ... .or above ... .again plays into their hands.

Comment about god ? I have prayed to just be left alone by both idiots my ex and her ex. My ex still continues but it doesn't bother me as I can totally avoid it ... .her ex has her cornered and now is going to play with her I suspect.

Its gods perogative to make it stop ... .I have been a good man all my life. ALL of it. He aint going to act so I will. Its not revenge either ... .I want nothing to do with it ... .but if someone is attacking someone you love and asking them to stop will only likely make it worse ... .it leaves little choice but to act. Not out of revenge ... .this schmuck aint worth it.

Ahh maybe he just answered my question ... .but again plays into the ex's hands ... .take out an AVO so he cant go to her work for any reason.


This is not about retribution ... .or revenge ... .I mulled the idea to try and get them stopping to try and hurt us ... .but never took action ... but now they are back both of them going at it ... .I can just ignore my own ex totally ... .sadly my new partner is being confronted face to face.

It is my perogative to act to defend those whom I love ... I have been left little choice in the matter and if thats gods will ... .fine.

[valkyriemp]

And as a hetrosexual female, I'd have to guess there were different reasons for singling me out.

My ex husband once said to me - I hope you find someone who makes you feel the way you made me feel.

It was a double edged sword when he said it, and when it happened

:'(

I know what it feels like to be in love with some(thing? if it was technically never real?)one.  Now that I'm beginning to move forward from the car crashes he left behind in my head, I've learned so much about myself... .that I may have never had to explore if the sky were always blue... .everybody needs something to do on a rainy day!

I've made myself a million promises of revenge.  I wrote them all down - action and consequence.  Mainly I realised that he'd be over it as quickly as he was over me, and I'd still be toiling over it years later.  We seem to mostly find ourselves in this position because we are good people.

I guess as long as you always pause for air, and come and write your intentions down here, somebody will remind you why it's just not worth it.

Live well!   

[truly amazed]

Hi,

Beautiful ... .

Lets put it another way.

How the hell do you make them stop ? As I said its not affecting me my ex still trying to contact me ... .despite zero response for 6 months.

How do i stop a bully ... .my new GF's ex partner who is NPD or BPD or a sociapath ... .

He can legitimatly go to her work and its doubtful her bosses would do anything much. If you have been in a realtionship for most of your adult life and cheated and lied to ... .all the lovely things we got ... .imadgine having this person turn up every week. He does not have to go there ... .he totally avoided it for 12 months the face to face stuff ... .but for some reason now has upped the ante from late night phone calls to direct involvement. some form of a wierd love triangle but my partner is not involved its just in her ex's mind.

If you think its about revenge ... .put yourself where I am ... .someone who I love is being tortured.

I doubt the police route would work as he is a sneaky sht ... .evil.

If one has the power to make him loose his job ... .and hence any reason to torment her ... .I am pondering about taking any action.

We both are very happy together ... .but this continued crap just keeps going on.

There is a time to turn the other cheek and a time to take action. I will not allow this thing to rule my partners life and sadly I suspect he will continue to taunt her ... .making me do something I think you can clearly see I would rather not do.

I leave it in gods hands ... .not being ovely religious ... .and karma will be what happens ... .last chance for the big guy 

[valkyriemp]

Truly amazed - am I right in thinking your SO is an ex of the person with whom your ex is now in a relationship - or did I get that wrong?  If she is, I'm sure that however unpleasant, she has years of dealing with this man, and probably knows how to for best effect.  I personally thought the coffee idea was a good one.  He can be gently reminded that she will use any opportunity he gives her to report him.  But unfortunately, even though we'd like to sometimes, we can't rub out or past when it doesn't work out... .a lesson for us all in making better choices in the first place 

Remember what onceconfused said - living rent free in your heart.  I hear your pain... .don't give THEM the pleasure of knowing... .and learn how to let it go so you don't give them the satisfaction of your feelings.

 

[truly amazed]

Hi,

I personally thought the coffee idea was a good one.  He can be gently reminded that she will use any opportunity he gives her to report him.  But unfortunately, even though we'd like to sometimes, we can't rub out or past when it doesn't work out... .a lesson for us all in making better choices in the first place

I have dealt with my past. My role and my actions ... .and my choices. This is nothing to do with them ... .I own up to my RS and so does my partner and we are happy and just want to be left alone ... .

Sadly you are suggesting my partner takes a man who actually left scars on her body has a coffee ? I know you are not suggesting that and be thankful it likely didn't enter your mind.

That is not an option ... .and I think you can relate how repulsive she might find it.  

I am not giving them the pleasure of knowing and my ex... .I just ignore her. Hard if not impossible for me to ignore a monster tormenting my partner. My partner yes did exactly the right thing ... .ignoring her ex when he showed up for no other reason than to torment her.

As far as he knew he got no reaction ... .sadly obviously she was upset a great deal.

Neither of us is stupid. Sadly both of us have seen PD's up close and personal and as you might expect both from upbringings as to why we ended up with someone with a PD and tolerated it. Just added up the years and its over 100 relationship years ... .

So we are both well versed in what to do. When one doesn't stop and this is the case ... .


Does she quit her job ? He wins

Complain to above for likely no outcome ? He wins


Ignore despite being very upset each time this happens ? He wins  ... he doesn't know it and sadly doesn't give up. Stalker


Threaten him ... .he will deny it ... pathological liar

Police ... .again will ignore it and police have better things to do.


I keep coming back to it and ... .if I can get him removed from his present job the direct torment stops ... .its at the POINT that its not revenge or some silly fantasy ... its a spider that keeps biting you. Do you ignore it till it eventually kills you ? This person is a stalker and does not let go. 

She will change the numbers and if needed go to the police if the phone stuff continues.

No I am left with no choice ... .I am deluded if I think this person who tried to keep her on a string whilst in a new RS with another ... .so she would be the bit on the side ... .will give up

Big guy upstairs as I said ... .

I leave it in gods hands ... .not being ovely religious ... .and karma will be what happens ... .last chance for the big guy 

[valkyriemp]

I'm sorry if any of that sounded overly passive, or that sitting down over a coffee was an easy option - not intended to be so.  The thing I like best about this site is people being able to offer up their problems and solutions in a safe environment... .myself included... .and I'm in no position to judge anyone.

I think I said here already, I still spend more time than I am happy to thinking up ways I could push a little of the downside of life his way... .I kid myself I could make him feel the way he made me feel - no chance!  But I also acknowledge that it's good fun thinking it up and letting it go.

Roll on karma.  That's the name of the perfume I wear... .think that's a message to myself? 

So, all friends here I hope.  Isn't it amazing that even when we're through with them, every reaction to them (because it usually persists) requires careful forethought and consideration... .I won't pray to your big man, but I hope you find lasting peace truly amazed.   . 

[truly amazed]

I think I said here already, I still spend more time than I am happy to thinking up ways I could push a little of the downside of life his way... .I kid myself I could make him feel the way he made me feel - no chance!  But I also acknowledge that it's good fun thinking it up and letting it go.

Roll on karma.  That's the name of the perfume I wear... .think that's a message to myself?  

Cool ... .

Yes I suppose we all spend too much time on that issue. Gladly well over that hurdle and anger not the issue ... .nor revenge.

As you said above ... .you cant ever get them to feel the pain thay made us feel. Its besides the point either way and more damaging to us than them.

I dont dwell on this issue ... .revenge.

Just want them both to go away. My new partner and I have found each other in the strangest of places ... .but its very good.

In reality dealing with someone with a PD as serious as they have and yes my ex my T with 30 years with BPD patients is very sure she meets 8-9 of the criteia ... .you cant hurt them.

Sure they feel pain ... .in fact they always feel pain. But with so little empathy ... .remorse or conscience about anything ... if it comes to a battle with one with BPD they bring an atom bomb to a fist fight. Not about to get into any direct fight with either of them. They are our past ... a mistake on my part both our parts and we have in many ways dealt with it, paid the price and moved on.

In a single line ... .they cannot relate to others feelings ... the world only revolves about them.


It is pointelss to engage or debate or try and be rational with people without empathy, remorse ... .conscience or regret. Both are ill and they deserve our pity but that for me ... .I couldn't care less honestly what happened to my ex. I just don't care.


We both have been zero contact for the same amount of time despite the attempts which now we know number well over 100 ... .Mostly my ex attempts numbering about 30 ... .and we now know hers well over 70 ... .

If you cant aviod a problem ... .or ask it to go away ... .as it will only make it worse ... .

Bug spray time  

One last chance then I will spend less than $10- and attack the problem with 10 different types of spray just to make sure and sleep like a baby.

I obviously do not want to do this and frankly couldn't be bothered just want them to leave us alone ... .but sadly that is likely not possible  

[valkyriemp]

Big hugs truly amazed... .you're incredibly strong for resisting... .that's why you'll win in the end.  Karma n all that good stuff!