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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: December 02, 2012, 09:23:26 PM »

My on/off BPD (or NPD) girlfriend of almost 3 years wants to end our relationship. For the last 6 months it has been going very well, but the last 3 weeks has been spotty with a arguments that got her raging out of control over nothing - party a result of hormones due to stopping BC. Now she doesnt know how she feels about me anymore and thinks there is no more physical chemistry, yet just a week ago she was deeply in love and showering me with affection and could wait to spend christmas and the new years with me.

Her N or B traits seems to come out once a month over little disagreements that get blown out of proportion on her end. She will never let me talk or share my feelings about what is bothering me, or how we can reach resolution about something. She ridicules or insults me when I need to talk about a problem, especially if its about us. Everything is black or white with her, all or nothing. She lacks empathy and perspective and it appears to be getting worse. She believes little disagreements are "always arguing" and "never see her point" etc. For her there can be no agree to disagree. Its winner or loser. Yet when we are together she is relaxed, calm, and secure and these outbursts dont happen. Sex on the other hand is hit and miss. At times its great, and at other times she lacks interest and then blames me for not feeling anything.

I love this person so much and have devoted so much time to her and our relationship, but have seen some very sad traits that point to either NPD or BPD. An only child, her mother died at 2, and was raised by her father who did not know how to raise her, so they had a tumultuous relationship.

Im not sure what to do anymore. The choice is to get her to make this work and to realize that relationships are about compromise etc, or cease all contact forever with the love of my life.

Any advice is appreciated on how to communicate and deal with a loved one with NPD/BPD. Also, how can I know more clearly if she is BPD or NPD? They seem so similar.

Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 06:36:45 AM »

Hey f10!

Welcome

Your story is not unlike many members here. BPD is a very complicated and confusing mental illness. The simple fact of the matter is, that if we are to remain in these relationships, that our best route to survival is understanding, acceptance, and a commitment to learning communication tools that act as a language that pwBPD can understand.

There is a lot of information here on the site about BPD and NPD. Sometimes it is difficult to know what it is that a person actually "has", and many of us have accepted the fact that labels don't always change things. We focus on the behaviors we see, and learn ways to communicate, and behave based on what is happening.

Take a look at The Lessons on the staying board. There is enough information and workshops there to keep you busy for a while! You can also root around on the site and find more than you ever wanted to know about BPD! Believe me, once you incorporate the tools into your life, things can improve. It doesn't solve all the woes of our world, but it does help a great deal!

Best Wishes,

Val78
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2012, 03:35:11 PM »

I will keep it simple... .

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The choice is to get her to make this work and to realize that relationships are about compromise etc, or cease all contact forever with the love of my life.

If she has NPD or BPD the first choice is likely (like one in a million) to never happen, so I would lean towards the second choice.

Maybe spend some time figuring out why you want to stay with someone that treats you so badly?  Rescue complex? Co-dependent?  If you figure out yourself it may help you make a better decision.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2012, 12:14:58 PM »

I will keep it simple... .

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The choice is to get her to make this work and to realize that relationships are about compromise etc, or cease all contact forever with the love of my life.

If she has NPD or BPD the first choice is likely (like one in a million) to never happen, so I would lean towards the second choice.

Maybe spend some time figuring out why you want to stay with someone that treats you so badly?  Rescue complex? Co-dependent?  If you figure out yourself it may help you make a better decision.

Good point! I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out why I want to stay with her. I guess I look at the great memories and how we really do work well together in person and see great potential. The other 15% of the time is hell but rarely happens when we are together in person, if that makes sense.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2012, 07:32:42 PM »

Hi there f10a

I'm really sorry to hear of the hard time you are having right now  

My relationship was actually with someone who had both BPD & NPD.  It ended this time last year.  I see that you have been pointed to the areas of this site where you can read up, to help you determine which condition(s) your gf may have.  Both of these conditions are within the Cluster B Personality Disorders, category, along with several others there.  It is common for someone with 1 of these conditions to have others from that category.  It's referred to as being co-morbid.  

The only way to know which condition your gf has, other than her having being diagnosed by a professional, is via reading up on the conditions.  They can have many behaviours in common, and so it's not always easy to know.

Unless a person with one or both of these personality disorders chooses to seek professional help, and then sticks to it long-term, the changes required in the relationship, generally come from us nons.  You talk about wanting to get your gf to see X or Y, or learn to do things such as compromise.  If she's not getting regular therapy because she wants to change, then I'm afraid you can try to do all of that until you're blue in the face, but it rarely works.  

We can learn to implement a set of techniques, which basically changes the way we respond to our loved one's behaviours.  It is down to us to change ourselves to better the situation.  There are lots of lessons and suggestions here on this site, which really can make a huge difference, but these take much practice, strength and determination on our part.  It is really hard work, but we can see some really positive results when we get the knack.

What you need to ask yourself, is that if your gf does not want to change (and if the narcissistic side is strong, this may well be the case, because people with NPD tend to see everyone else to be the problem, and not their behaviours), are you prepared to spend the rest of your time together modifying your approaches & responses, in order to better the communication?  Can you be happy in a relationship where your gf continues to act in the ways that you describe, and you act as a care-giver in order to moderate her behaviour.  Some people choose to do this, and can significantly improve things to make life more tolerable.  Often these are people who already have children with their partner who has a pd, and feel it is something they want to do for that reason.  It's a very personal decision that only you can make, and no one here would want to try to sway you to do anything other than what you want to do.

My own experience was that the narcissistic side of my ex was far too strong for him to ever seek treatment.  He would say when he was in his BPD frame of mind, that he knew he needed help, but then later (sometimes that same day) he would switch back to NPD and deny ever saying he needed to seek help, because it was me (or whoever else applied) that needed treatment.  There was no emotional support from him, because he had no ability to empathise, and so I never had someone to take the weight, as we all need from time to time.  I was a full time care giver, and I felt as though I had a small child rather than a partner.  

When I was ill, he was too wrapped up in his own 'problems' (usually very trivial things) to want to help me.  I just decided that I wanted a bf who could play an equal role... .be a partner.

Long-term, you may also want to consider things such as if you would like a family.  If it is something you would like, then I would suggest having a read of some of the posts over on the Parenting board.  Children are often severely affected by a NPD/BPD parent.  

It's a lot to think about and to take in.  I would advise taking time to read through experiences of other members here, and also reading the lessons and other material here on this site.  It's hard to know what you want to do in a situation, until you know what you are dealing with, and what can be done.  If you read through the lessons and learn about the techniques to deal with behaviour, such as S.E.T., and feel that you don't want to be in a relationship that requires you to be a care-giver, then perhaps you may want to view your gf's want to be out of the relationship, as a way out, yourself. The change of mood from being head over heels in love one week, and feeling like she wants out of the relationship the next, is common in relationships with a pd person.  It is likely that you will see that happen in future.  There is a lack of middle-ground for people with such conditions, as you describe... .it's black or white... .bad or good.  It can be pretty exhausting!

You will get a great deal of support from the members here on this site, whatever you decide to do.  You are not alone in this, as we all understand  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2012, 11:32:30 PM »

Well the truth finally came out after much persistence. She says she met up with an out of town friend and felt a connection, leading her to believe that her and I were not meant to be. She now says shes so confused and doesnt know what to do but that we are soul mates! HA! Along with that conversation were panic attacks, paranoia that her friends were talking behind her back, as if she was trying to extract sympathy from me instead of focusing on the real issue!

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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2012, 06:33:21 AM »

Hey f10a!

I'm sure this all hurts, and I'm sorry!

So, what do you want to do from here? You know her issues and intent. How do you plan to proceed?

Best Wishes,

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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2012, 06:51:46 AM »

This must be really hard for you.

I know because I was just broken up with by a BPD/bipolar/ADHD diagnosed!

It's exhausting to be in this kind of relationship.

We fall in love and we think they did too but then they switch their minds overnight... .literally.

I hope you can do what's best for you... .even though, i know that when you love someone like that you are just left confused and worthless in the end.

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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 08:01:33 PM »

Why are these personalities so quick to change lovers? I don't get it.

Do you guys live together? Have you considered a trial separation?
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2012, 04:00:23 PM »

We were not living together. Just days before she was to visit me for the holidays I find out shes going to visit this new friend instead! From all the research I have done on this subject, it seems that its quite normal for someone with BPD to drop the relationship at the very first "feeling" that something could be different, ie. when mad it must be all or nothing, so its over and on to the next guy that will give attention (supply).

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2013, 06:29:47 AM »

How are things now f10a?

I'm so sorry to hear about your partner's new love interest.  I have been on the receiving end of this, and it is very difficult.  My partner at that time became infatuated with someone new, and before long had moved in with her & totally discarded any signs of him and me!

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