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« on: August 13, 2013, 03:36:24 PM »

I've read a lot on this site about the long term relationships, but just wanted to know how many of you out there are going through the aftermath of a short term relationship break up?

I was wondering how you are managing to deal with it all? I had a break up with an ex of ten and a half years and it hurt like hell afterwards, but I got there. It's so much harder after a 7 week super intense relationship with my BPD ex. Well I say harder - there's more pain really.

How did you know things were not quite right with your BPDSTR ex? We're they upfront or were there clues?

Have you found that they have moved on from you fast?

Did you find the closer you got the more they freaked out due to the intensity in the short time?

Sorry for random questions. Having a tough night after a setback yesterday so wanted to plough myself into a questioning post instead of how I really feel (why don't they love meeeeee waaaah etc. etc.)
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2013, 03:44:13 PM »

I've read a lot on this site about the long term relationships, but just wanted to know how many of you out there are going through the aftermath of a short term relationship break up?

I was wondering how you are managing to deal with it all? I had a break up with an ex of ten and a half years and it hurt like hell afterwards, but I got there. It's so much harder after a 7 week super intense relationship with my BPD ex. Well I say harder - there's more pain really.

How did you know things were not quite right with your BPDSTR ex? We're they upfront or were there clues?

Have you found that they have moved on from you fast?

Did you find the closer you got the more they freaked out due to the intensity in the short time?

Sorry for random questions. Having a tough night after a setback yesterday so wanted to plough myself into a questioning post instead of how I really feel (why don't they love meeeeee waaaah etc. etc.)

What does the STR refer to in BPDSTR ex?

Yes, my BPDex moved on quickly.  In fact, so quick that we were not even broken up yet! I finally ended things after catching her cheating for oh, could be the 4th or 5th time.  Not a single instance of cheating, like dating another dude at the same time cheating.

I don't think that they "freak out" because of how intense the relationship is.  Intensity is a hallmark of BPD relationships.  It all happens very quickly and afterwards NON's are often left with their heads spinning wondering what exactly happened.

One of the hallmarks of BPD is abandonment issues.  It is a complex and confusing push/pull that is simply put, "I hate you, don't leave me" (also the title of a BPD book).  You get very close and they think you are going to inevitably abandon them, so they are the ones to abandon your first so that they come out on top in their minds... .


It is all A LOT more complex than what I just very quickly listed above, but you can learn a lot by just reading other peoples threads
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2013, 08:28:48 PM »

Hey HollyGoesLightly... . love your name!  Quite fun.

Thank you for your posts.  Your writing is quite clear and candid.  I can feel along with you... . it is helpful to read.

One of my first reactions to your earlier posts was that your 10 year relationship merits examination.  His behavior at the end was quite disrespectful and, well... . abusive.  His projection of his adultery onto you is troubling.  It seems like your recent BPD relationship was a more intense version of your long term relationship. 

I think your posts vividly answer your own questions, and you answers are like so many on these boards.  You knew he moved on quickly when you learned of his girlfriend in Prague.  Yikes!  You knew he was a bit "off" right away... . and in any event if you didn't learn it until seven weeks, that was still right away.  And he clearly freaked out at the arrival of intimate feelings.  He was, in short, a mess and a mean-spirited one at that. 

While your boundaries may have "slipped" along the way, you discovered them quickly enough to withdraw.  Good for you!  Mine went on for two years after learning of the most appalling betrayals.  And I still long for her.  Oh, my!  What a goof.

But, and it is a big positive but... . the focus shifted from my girlfriends betrayals to me... . why was I so drawn to her?  Why does it hurt so much?  Why do I still long for her when it was so painful?  What can I do to move forward with my life and grow as a person?  So much to learn and so many ways to grow... . and I have learned and grown and changed and a lot of it through this web site.

My personal reaction to your story: I am glad you are no longer with this guy.  He sounds toxic and unpleasant.  Away with him!  On onward to good things in your life! 

Anyway... . all the best to you.  Looking forward to more of your posts. 
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2013, 03:58:47 AM »

Oh Sorry Octoberfest - the STR I added just means short term relationship - just a lazy way for me to not have to type it out all of the time!

That's awful that your BPDex moved on whilst you were still together. I know these people are "not well" but sometimes you wonder how people can actually do these things.

I probably shouldn't have used the word intensity but close - I find the whole self sabotage/abandoning you first before you abandon me the most confusing. I think that's because I believe that a "normal" person who found someone they wanted would work to keep that and not run away. I think it then makes the person without BPD feel like it is them who has the issues.

What hurts so bad (for me), is that the point he decided was the point of no return, I had fallen for him hard and I knew he felt (as far as he could) the same due to his way around me, actions etc.

In my opinion (coming from an MA in the Social Sciences and WAY too much time on Google), his abandonment issues are actually understandable - childhood abuse, parental divorce, plus being placed in foster care and a series of emotionally abusive relationships.

It's like your head knows all of this and it's trying to kick your heart into gear!

Thanks for the compliment on the name Winston72 - can you tell I have a slight Audrey Hepburn obsession?

I have often wondered whether I need to delve deeper into the 10 year relationship and it's impact on me. I did feel that the 18 months soul searching and self analysis after the breakup was enough, but obviously it has left some scars I didn't know about. I have wondered whether my long term ex did have BPD as well - he definitely raged at me a LOT. I guess I need to delve deeper into why I am attracted to these people. I know I'm a caretaker, giver, would do anything for anyone I cared about type person.

Though like you said I spotted the red flags right away, I wish I had ended it myself when I was giving him all these chances to get out and be friends. I remember after we broke up, we analysed stuff together a little (as I'd said to him I felt like none of it was real and he led me on) and he said that at times he felt I was holding back and being a bit awkward around him. Now I know I was because I didn't feel secure enough not to be rejected in giving affection first etc. because of all the issues with the other ex. I was getting there, I just seemed to feel that sometimes he was into me and others he didn't seem as bothered and that upset me on a few occasions. Anyhow, like you say, at least it was pretty much right away I spotted it. I just wish it had been before I trusted him and had grown so close.

The way he freaked out about his feelings and didn't discuss it with me shows me that he wasn't emotionally mature enough to handle it anyway. I sometimes wonder if it was ME who made mistakes - perhaps I should have tried to talk to him more? Perhaps I should have tried to be "just friends" as he needed that in order to trust me? I keep having to remind myself that at that time I thought he was just stressed out and had no idea about BPD etc. Would the outcome have been different in the longrun anyway?

How did you answer the questions you posed Winston72? Why you were drawn to her? Why it hurts so much? Why you still want her? What can you do to move forward and grow? I'm not sure how to answer these myself without the help of a therapist (which I can't afford). It's like I can write down the answers but I'm not sure how to fully put into practice how they can help me! Maybe I'll try here:-

Why was I drawn to him?

- Charismatic, charming, captivating, and like no guy I had ever met before. I felt an instant connection and I wanted more. Ultimately what probably made me fall for him was that he seemed to be totally into me unlike any guy I've ever been with before and I guess that was the drug.

- From reading up on various sites about childhood issues, I had a happy childhood. I never met my dad but that never bothered me as there were never step dads or anything. A few years ago my mum and I had a fight and didn't speak for 2 years. I think as a child (only child), my mum possibly idealised me, and my BPD ex's idealisation of me felt like that feeling, which makes it so hard to detach.

Why does it hurt so much?

- Because at the time we were falling for one another, I had stupidly started to have all these hopes and dreams of a future together (which he had also led me to believe, in all his actions mking me think he was totally serious about me) and to have these suddenly disappear with no explanation that I could really believe was so heart breaking. After how my ex of 10 years had left me, I thought I'd found the one (if that silly concept exists). Unfortunately, I seem to have found "the one who can't handle his love for you." I guess it's the fact I knew there were issues and would have been tough times together, but I was willing to go through it as I could see who he was at times when the closest thing to the real him shone through. I wouldn't have run away. The fact he wasn't willing to even try and face his anxiety or why he was anxious about me hurts big time. The ultimate rejection. If someone with that many issues can't love me who will. Though I did have one person tell me at the time "nobody gets that worked up about someone they have no feelings for." He also told me he was ending it for my benefit so I "wouldn't get more attached to him" up to the point that he was leaving the country. I believe he was telling me something about himself there.

Why do you still want him?

- I want that connection back again as I have never felt it with another human being, though I know it wasn't a healthy connection. I want those hopes and dreams again. I just loved him basically and it's hard to let that go. The fact other "nasty" girls got more of a shot than nice old me stings too. Though in all honesty, if in a few months time he came back and said he made a mistake, I don't know if I would take him back. I don't know if I could go through all of this hurt again. He would need to be in therapy, working on his issues, and willing to communicate. That's then not loving someone unconditionally is it?

What can you do to move forward and grow?

- I need to realise what is holding me back from completely detaching 5 months on after a 7 week relationship as this is obviously not healthy in the "normal" world. I keep trying to tell myself there was nothing I could have done and that he was broken... . but it's hard to tell yourself that when you see him so happy with another girl who seems to be a proper female version of him down to all the interests and career plans. Perhaps I do need a therapist?
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2013, 05:54:06 AM »

What hurts so bad (for me), is that the point he decided was the point of no return, I had fallen for him hard and I knew he felt (as far as he could) the same due to his way around me, actions etc.

This seems to be a very common coping strategy that you see often repeated if you read up on others experiences from break ups with pwBPD. It was actually somewhat the same with my ex BPD guy. From my experience I think it is the way they have taught themselves to shut down when the emotional overflow meeter is starting to become alarmingly high... . They fear panic and overload of feelings because they don't have any sound ways to self soothe or bring themselves back to balance, so emotional overload easily becomes panic for many of the people with this disorder... . And shutting down becomes then a dysfunctional, but still functional coping mechanism... .

It is not about you, but all about him and how he handles or cannot handle intimacy and or stability... . Because those things seem to be triggers for him. Triggers for emotional overload... .

It's like your head knows all of this and it's trying to kick your heart into gear!

This is a good thing! See unlike people with BPD we are not completely run by our feelings but by our heads too! So it is your head trying to balance up for your tormenting feelings... . So let your head speak, and listen to it as much as you can... . it is trying to help you!  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

I remember after we broke up, we analysed stuff together a little (as I'd said to him I felt like none of it was real and he led me on) and he said that at times he felt I was holding back and being a bit awkward around him. Now I know I was because I didn't feel secure enough not to be rejected in giving affection first etc.

Look! You were already beginning to walk on eggshells around him... . Now is that being comfortably in love? You didn't feel secure, because you were not secure. It is hard to be so around a person who has an unstable sense of self and a constantly changing mind! All of the passion put aside... . This was a glimpse of what a life with him would become... . It is important in the aftermaths of these relationships that we take a bit of time to reflect on those signals and learn from them, so that we in future times can detect the warning signs of ourselves beginning to change or diminish ourselves and our needs in the presence of a partner. I think it is very good that you are able to see these things already now, when you heart still is attached to the loss! Good on you!  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

The way he freaked out about his feelings and didn't discuss it with me shows me that he wasn't emotionally mature enough to handle it anyway. I sometimes wonder if it was ME who made mistakes - perhaps I should have tried to talk to him more?

What difference would talking to him more have done? Would that have caused him to magically mature emotionally? Not likely... . Talking seriously about maturity of emotions with a person with an emotional maturity of perhaps a five year old, would not likely had given any desired results... .

You did not make any mistakes! Your actions or words however profound they would have been would not have been able to change him... . That is the sad part... . The BPD is his cross to bear... .

Perhaps I should have tried to be "just friends" as he needed that in order to trust me? I keep having to remind myself that at that time I thought he was just stressed out and had no idea about BPD etc. Would the outcome have been different in the longrun anyway?

Would just being friends have been anything you would have been able to be happy with? Would you like to be his friend now and be his ear when he talks about all the "fun" he has with his girl surfing around Europe on a shoestring?

When passion is involved or in anyway intense feelings, it is more or less all or nothing... . at least for me... . I was offered the same "generous gift" of my ex friendship... . But I gently declined, knowing it would just be a huge deception of myself, and a one way ticket to more pain... . I do not want to hear about his next conquests in love... .

It would not have made any difference in the long run... . His fear of intimacy and stability is part of who he is... . For all you know he may never settle down with anybody... . Or he will and will instead have tons of affairs on the side... . Would such a life have made you happy... . Or could you perhaps in time see that maybe the 7 weeks you got, was the best he had to give?

- From reading up on various sites about childhood issues, I had a happy childhood. I never met my dad but that never bothered me as there were never step dads or anything. A few years ago my mum and I had a fight and didn't speak for 2 years. I think as a child (only child), my mum possibly idealised me, and my BPD ex's idealisation of me felt like that feeling, which makes it so hard to detach.

This touches on something that resonates a lot with me and my as of late discovery about myself and my own childhood and adolescence... . I am like you an only child, and for the most part of my life I have thought of myself to having had a pretty ok childhood... . But when I got myself in therapy, I came to realize that in spite the fact my parents both loved me and are still happy in their marriage, they still managed to screw me up quite a bit in giving me a somewhat warped image of what a relationship should be and above all feel like... .

See, my mom was and is still incredibly obsessed with me. And I believe now she still can't really say where she ends and I begin... . That is to say, our relationship is very enmeshed... . Se has also always been a very sensitive person mood wise, and I have realized now as an adult and in my 40's that I learned early on in childhood that the condition for her overwhelming love, was to please her... . That is happy mom, loves me... . Unhappy mom hates me... . or at least is not happy with me... . She was also very envious of my r/s with my dad, to the point I could almost not hug him unless I immediately also hugged her... .

Things between us got pretty ugly in my teens and early twenties, when I sort of tried to break free, (not really knowing then however from what), and wanted to do my own thing... . She was not happy with that and used pretty much the worst weapon she could in her battle for my will... .

In reflecting in therapy on how and why I seem to have a history of seeking out strong passion in my relationships instead of more stability and safety... . I have come to the conclusion that I learned from my mother to seek out her overwhelming affection and idealization when she was happy, and I was pleasing to her... . And I have pretty much copied and pasted that on most of my relations... . And in the longer, (like 10 years and above) relationships I have had, that have been more mellow in intensity - I have eventually chosen to bail... . Because I have felt a bit bored and not (enough) intensely loved... .

I am in no way saying this is the case for you... . I am just saying that in learning this about myself, I can at least choose to try out things differently in the future... . So a bit of soul searching in the aftermath of experiences like these is not a bad idea!

Why does it hurt so much?

- Because at the time we were falling for one another, I had stupidly started to have all these hopes and dreams of a future together (which he had also led me to believe, in all his actions mking me think he was totally serious about me) and to have these suddenly disappear with no explanation that I could really believe was so heart breaking. After how my ex of 10 years had left me, I thought I'd found the one (if that silly concept exists). Unfortunately, I seem to have found "the one who can't handle his love for you." I guess it's the fact I knew there were issues and would have been tough times together, but I was willing to go through it as I could see who he was at times when the closest thing to the real him shone through. I wouldn't have run away.

The thing is... . the promise of you not running away - is very triggering for him... . Since he fears that form of stability that to him is just a promise of future abandonment... . It is part of the borderline spectra to harbor deep core beliefs that love simply is never lasting... . Nothing you can do, say or promise will change that in him... . If anything only intense therapy and work on his part when or if motivated can... .

It hurts because you fell in love with him and your feelings are true... . But he still cannot reciprocate them the way you want and deserve, because he is BPD... . He cannot really handle anybodies love for him... . He can from what it seems right now pretty much only handle passion and adventure and escape... . And that is who he is... . You fell in love with a part of him... . A part of him that seems normal... . But that is not the whole truth of who he is... .


The fact he wasn't willing to even try and face his anxiety or why he was anxious about me hurts big time. The ultimate rejection. If someone with that many issues can't love me who will. Though I did have one person tell me at the time "nobody gets that worked up about someone they have no feelings for." He also told me he was ending it for my benefit so I "wouldn't get more attached to him" up to the point that he was leaving the country. I believe he was telling me something about himself there.

My dear - it is the other way around! It is the fact that he has all the issues he has that he cannot love and maintain a stable relationship with anybody! You deserve a man who is not full of dysfunctional issues and who is severely mentally disordered. BPD is a serious mental condition. Not just a quirk or a personality of choice like a mother so accurately described it when concerned for her child having it... .

And like your friend said... . It is not like he didn't have any feelings for you. Of course he had! He just couldn't sustain them, since he is who he is. An emotionally underdeveloped child with an unstable mind... .


What can you do to move forward and grow?

- I need to realise what is holding me back from completely detaching 5 months on after a 7 week relationship as this is obviously not healthy in the "normal" world. I keep trying to tell myself there was nothing I could have done and that he was broken... . but it's hard to tell yourself that when you see him so happy with another girl who seems to be a proper female version of him down to all the interests and career plans. Perhaps I do need a therapist?

Now you are talking!  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post) Just keep doing what you are doing, allow the feelings of pain but also allow yourself some time everyday not to think about them or him... . Listen to what your mind is trying to tell you. Inside your mind have all the answers... . And where the mind goes, eventually the feelings will follow... . Keep posting and keep learning from talking to others here on the boards and above all be forgiving of yourself and be glad that you are a person who can love with passion and who wants to build a strong relationship with someone! And who are of sound mind and can regain balance between it and your right now hurt feelings! Those are good and sound traits!

Best Wishes

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2013, 08:32:21 AM »

Hello,

This thread is very good. My r/s was also relatively short, 1 year, with a month NC in the middle, and a couple of failed relapses after.

I can relate so much to all that´s been said here. I also were a bit cautious with my exBPDgf, because I didn´t feel secure enough with her. She did the same, some times very affectionate, and some times like she wasn´t really there. It also felt not real to me. And she also escaped the exact moment when I made my mind up and decided this was it, which she led me to do, only to then fly away. It´s like they say so many times around here: a no-win situation.

She also was charismatic, charming, captivating, a seductive personality. I think that is one of the things that attracted me the most, and that attracts many of us to them. And I think that maybe it´s because of two things: they´re like that because they lack a series of personality features that usually makes people less spontaneous, less intense, less interesting in that sense. That´s one important thing: they are like that because they LACK something, not because they really are like that. Maybe if they were well developed, they would lose all that and have more mild personalities, like everybody else. So maybe they are "false" charismatic people, not real ones. A real one would be able to gather these traits along with a sound and fulfilled personality. Second, on our part, maybe we look out so much for that kind of traits, because we ourselves have a difficult time being connected to our own experience in the world, our own pleasure in things. So it´s like we identify in them something that we haver buried in ourselves and that we want for us, and that we want to live THROUGH them, instead of within ourselves.

I think that there was something like that happening with me. Part of my attraction for her, was me needing to live life through someone that would incarnate the kind of thrills that life gives me but that I can´t experience for myself. So, I think that a healthy version of this, would be if we develop our own thrills in life, our own capacity of being creative, spontaneous, connected to our own pleasure and motivation in things, and then look for someone to SHARE that with, instead of OBTAINING it through. That would mean that the traits we´d look for in someone would be not so much about that kind of spontaneity and intensity, but something more like being able to communicate, to be understanding and trustworthy, to be reciprocate, etc. And the enthusiasm that we´d have with someone like that would be a less anxious one, a more pleasing and free one, because there wouldn´t be so much at stake for us, we wouldn´t DEPEND on her to be full, and she wouldn´t be filling that void for us, but instead, would be adding something to something that we´d already have. Does that make sense?

Another thing that my exBPDgf triggered in me, was a need to call her attention, the fact that she was so worthy in my eyes for being that charismatic and interesting, made me want to prove to her that I related to those things in her, so that she noticed me and loved me. Something like “see? I´m like you, I also like these kinds of things.” This is slightly different from the above, it comes more from a lack of self-esteem and trying to be loved by someone that is worthy in the criteria that I admire, needing to prove that we are worthy.

Yet another thing that happened to me with her, was that I felt she was SO familiar to me. She brought me a feeling of being again in a remote, archaic, social context that was so meaningful to me like my FOO in my childhood, and maybe even my mother. She had very strong resemblances with some of my mother´s traits. And I always feel like a stranger in all my social contexts, and with so many people. So I felt very very lonely when I lost her. This, I think, has to do with a kind of validation that she brought to me. It´s like I was unable to have in myself that kind of identity that belongs to me but that was buried in my past and memories, and that, once again, I was able to re-live THROUGH her instead of within me. I was looking, in her, for a part of myself that I lost in my childhood. So I felt SO accompanied by her. I think she compensated for a passive part of me that wasn´t able to validate myself, to materialize in my life that kind of lost memories and identity. And, although I think that it would be great to SHARE with someone that kind of background, so that it would be a further element of connection between me and someone, it shouldn´t be something that I´d RECEIVE totally by another person. We should have ourselves sure and certain about our past, our feelings, our identity, and relate to others besides that, not looking in others for what we feel we have lost.

I really hit the bottom with her. I´d never suffer so much like when she went away. But it´s true that this whole event gave me the opportunity for major breakthroughs in my own personal development. I really wish it didn´t turn that way and that, besides all these achievements, we could be together still. It didn´t go that way, but it still has been a great growing opportunity.

Sorry for the length of the post, and thank you for your great sharings!

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