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« on: January 09, 2014, 06:43:01 PM »

Sharing one more... .

Real Love

March 13, 2013 By Susan J. Elliott


Real love is a permanently self-enlarging experience. – M. Scott Peck

Dysfunctional and destructive love affairs make our lives smaller. We lose sleep, family, friends, material things, money and time at work. To the extent we ever had it, we lose self-respect and self-esteem. We lose our ability to think clearly and independently. We become used to losing things, we become used to the narrowness of our lives and our willingness to let this other person narrow it even further.

When we have true love, real love, functional love, we don’t lose the people in our lives. Real love does not demand that you give up friends or your time for your friends, in fact it encourages independence and being fulfilled by other people, places and things.

Real love is secure to the point where you can fill your life up with other things. You are a healthy and functional person and your healthy and functional mate trusts and supports you. (and you are both trustworthy–that’s the important part).

Real love does not purposely or unwittingly engulf you. I’ve seen people claim to be healthy but be in completely enmeshed relationships that are unhealthy and they cannot see the enmeshment for what it is. I’ve seen people get taken hostage by someone and taken away from their family, friends, interests and hobbies all the while CLAIMING that the person who is taking them away is just really into them. No. Blending family, friends, interests and hobbies with a new relationship is never easy…but real love not only allows it, but demands it. What is important to you should be important to them.

Real love is not jealous and can let go enough to let someone go off and fill themselves with their friends, their interests, their very important solitude time….knowing that a fulfilled person comes back to the relationship a happy person and that makes the relationship better.

Real love doesn’t make us worry needlessly. It doesn’t make us wait and wonder and watch. In dysfunctional and destructive relationships we are forever hypervigilant…always off our pins, we are always waiting for the other shoe to drop, we cannot figure out, from one day to the next, what is real and what is not. If you are wondering that, chances are NONE OF IT IS REAL. Chances are you are in a bait-and-switch relationship which is designed to keep you forever uneasy.

It is that uneasiness that captures our attention. So long as our attention is captured, we are not thinking about leaving or making ourselves and our life better, we are always focused on our dysfunctional mate. It is hard to FIND the energy to leave so long as we are embroiled, constantly, in nonsense. (anvil note - this made me think of Everhopeful's CHICKEN post!)

Real love is a PERMANENTLY self enlarging experience. There are many people in bad relationships and in denial about how bad those relationships are who will point to the few times the dysfunctional and destructive other allowed for their growth. But chances are, they took it back at some point and the growth was diminished or permanently stomped out. Real love gives without taking it back.

Real love does not HURT. Real love does not play mind games, does not send mixed messages and is not passive-aggressive. If you’re in a relationship where these things are present, chances are you have felt crazy a time or two. That is a narrowing experience. You become so nuts you can’t live your life to the best of your ability. And that is not self-enlarging. It’s damaging and narrowing.

Real Love doesn’t say sorry very often. In the 1970s there was a movie called Love Story whose tag line was “Love means never having to say you’re sorry.” Love Story is the ultimate schmaltzy movie and the line became the punch line for years after its release. However, there is some truth in the much-maligned line. Real love needs to apologize very seldom. And it’s not “doesn’t apologize” because most controlling, anger people never apologize, but “doesn’t NEED to apologize” very often. Love is about taking care of self and taking care of your mate. And those things are in balance to the point where they seldom collide.

Controlling and abusive people get to the point where they cross so far over the line that the controlled person has had enough and is ready to split. It is at that point that the abuser engages in, what I call, “abusers remorse.” I qualify it like that because it is NOT real remorse. It is the remorse necessary to get the other person back in the game and under his or her control. It’s a cat and mouse game played by the cat so the mouse doesn’t get away. Once the mouse believes it is safe to move, the claws of destruction come back out.

The abusive partner will even cry and beg the other person not to leave. They will swear UP AND DOWN that they “get it” and things will be “different this time.” and SWEAR they will go to counseling, go to anger management, go to the ends of the earth just to keep you. They will SWEAR that they saw the light because you were leaving them and they suddenly realized what you meant to them.

Don’t believe it for a second. Again, it’s not REAL remorse. It’s remorse just to keep you in the game. And guess what? Real love doesn’t see this kind of scene EVER. It’s just something that does not happen.

And what happens to abusers remorse? How does the abuser “change back” and reel the contrite stance back in? Why it’s you. It’s YOUR FAULT when things go back to the status quo. You’re not being nice enough, tolerant enough or too bhity, whiny, clingy — whatever. Name that behavior of yours that will cause the destruction and abuse to return. If you fall for abuser’s remorse, this is what you will get…not only an abuser who’s even more ticked off at you…but an abuser who is blaming you for everything that is going wrong.

Real love is the furthest thing in the imagination from this scene. Real love does not seek to place blame. Real love looks for compromise and solutions. Real love does not cause one partner or both partners to stand there wringing their hands endlessly because of what is and is not happening.

Real love does not play games, it does not cause us to lose sleep, friends, jobs, money, time and value in our lives. Real love is an ENLARGING and not a NARROWING experience.

And finally, real love exists. But–and this is a big BUT–it is true that in order to find the right person, you need to BE the right person (I have no idea where I heard this quote, but it’s SO true).

To be the right person you have to do your work. As I say over and over again, WATER SEEKS ITS OWN LEVEL. If you are attracting and attracted to unhealthy and dysfunctional, you are unhealthy and dysfunctional.

Do your work and they disappear and real love has a chance to walk in.
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2014, 10:08:06 AM »

love4,

Thank you for this post. I've been dealing with divorcing my w for quite a while now. It's soo hard because of the crazy behavior. This article clearly states exactly what has happened to me. I know deep down the true person I'm dealing with, but have a hard time seeing it clearly. The lengths gone to to make me stay are creepy. Abusers remorse indeed.

And, let me add that I filed 5 years ago (then cancelled cuz of all the 'changes', and soon it was me again being the reason for her 'dissatisfaction'. It's a hard place to be in, knowing it's not you but never seeming to be able to make any progress. It's not love, not real love. Love doesn't 'own' you.

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2014, 05:44:19 PM »

To be the right person you have to do your work. As I say over and over again, WATER SEEKS ITS OWN LEVEL. If you are attracting and attracted to unhealthy and dysfunctional, you are unhealthy and dysfunctional.

Do your work and they disappear and real love has a chance to walk in.

As has been said here, and many of us try to deny it (me included), we are attracted to those with similar maturity levels.

I wanted someone whose pain I could soothe... . someone to take care of. I got it: a daughter-child.

When I grew to resent it, in a BPD-like way, I suppose, I detached emotionally. Which was abandonment, in a way, which triggered her to abandon me for real. I own that myself. Leaving aside most of the BPD behaviors and abuse we are all familiar with, in the end, she was right.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2014, 06:52:28 PM »

My uBPDh was my first and only boyfriend. He was the only man I have ever loved.

This post made me realize that I am yet to feel what real love is between husband and wife :'(

I thought somewhere in his heart he loved me... .

God, that is hard to swallow.

Only option left: raise the water level.
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2014, 07:18:40 PM »

My uBPDh was my first and only boyfriend. He was the only man I have ever loved.

This post made me realize that I am yet to feel what real love is between husband and wife :'(

I thought somewhere in his heart he loved me... .

God, that is hard to swallow.

Only option left: raise the water level.

me to, MB.  my first LTR  of any account.  looking back, I  was attracted to  finger,  immature women.  and the reverse for them. I  have no idea at this point what a  mature r/s  would look like.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2014, 08:16:02 PM »

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

Corinthians 13:4-8

^^^ old words, but still very true.

And yes, I have not known this kind of relationship either, I hope one day to do so.

We'll help each other through this. 

Lyn
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2014, 07:55:26 AM »

Thanks for posting that love4meNOTu.   That was excellent.   Sadly I could see my entire relationship with my exwBPD in the dysfunctional descriptions of that post BUT HAPPILY I can see my daughter's relationship with her boyfriend in the REAL LOVE descriptions of that post.    Smiling (click to insert in post)

I sent that to her and told her I believe she had that down solid but some of her friends should read it.
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