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« on: January 11, 2014, 09:38:17 PM »

My stbexw is very angry because our S9 and D14 do not want to speak with her on the phone and are very reluctant to go anywhere with her. She is beating me up pretty bad verbally about it for not forcing them to when I speak with her and making threats.

Have you dealt with this and how?

How do the courts look at this?
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2014, 12:29:28 PM »

Since you're in the early stages of the custody process, you might want to suggest a schedule that is reasonable for your kids. That will show you making an effort, which is good for you in court.

If your kids were with you for a whole week, calling their mom 3x a week is entirely reasonable. If the kids see their mom every other day, then there should be no expectation that they call, not at the age your kids are. Even if the schedule was 60/40, there should be very little expectation that the kids call all that often.

When I had S12 majority time (he started seeing his dad 16 hours a month), the parenting coordinator involved in our case said that calling his dad 3 times a week was a lot.

You might want to write your ex and tell her, "I agree it would be good to have the kids contact you when they are with me. I propose that you call them at 8pm on date/time and date/time. I will be sure to have them listen for the phone and take your call. Please call this number xxx-xxxx."

I don't recommend setting things up so that the kids are the ones who have to call -- it should be the parent calling, so the responsibility is on the grown-up. If the kids miss a call for some reason, contact your ex to let her know, "The kids are not home and can't take your call. They will be home at 9pm and you can call them then."

No need to do this if the kids are seeing her regularly -- if that's the case, then ignore the threats and abuse as best you can. Save the texts or emails for documentation, and make sure you document when the kids talk to their mom.

N/BPDx threw a lot of fits about how I was obstructing the calls, preventing S12 from talking to him, blah blah blah. But then N/BPDx went out of his way in the court orders to get rid of the nightly calls, and then the 3x weekly calls, and then got rid of communication altogether.  

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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2014, 07:53:27 PM »

Well the kids have their own phones and tablets so they have skype and the older facebook. The D14 says she hates her and refuses to answer the calls or texts. S9 is used to her not being around and just doesn't go out of his way to communicate with her. She refuses to call my phone and ask to talk to him. She says that I am the parent and I should make them talk to her and not give them a choice.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2014, 08:46:12 PM »

Well the kids have their own phones and tablets so they have skype and the older facebook. The D14 says she hates her and refuses to answer the calls or texts. S9 is used to her not being around and just doesn't go out of his way to communicate with her. She refuses to call my phone and ask to talk to him. She says that I am the parent and I should make them talk to her and not give them a choice.

What is the current custody arrangement? How often do the kids see her?
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2014, 11:02:48 PM »

There is nothing on paper yet. The kids have lived with me alone for 6 years now. She was coming in for weekend visits every 3 to 4 weeks.
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2014, 10:48:40 AM »

There is nothing on paper yet. The kids have lived with me alone for 6 years now. She was coming in for weekend visits every 3 to 4 weeks.

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Wow! I guess I never stop being stunned when I read about this stuff.

So her berating you for not establishing phone contact is new? Or has she been railing against you about this for a while... .

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2014, 11:18:19 AM »

This is new. She started it after her arrest for assaulting me. She was due to leave town and I had sent the kids with a friend to an undisclosed location to keep them away from the violence, plus she wanted to trianglulate the kids. So she raged because I was keeping her kids away from her but they had just returned from a week long trip over xmas. She keeps repeating in text email and voicemail that the kids need to hear her side of the story not just my lies. We have been treated like what I phrase China Dolls. We are supposed to sit on the shelf looking pretty and when she wants to play with us we are to be ready and willing to do what ever she wants. When she is done playing with us or showing us off to her "friends" then we are supposed to go back on the shelf and wait. No friends no life just keep the house clean and wait for her.

It is partly my fault for enabling this behavior though. I felt sorry for her having to be away (which she prefered) so our daily life was spent not doing anything without mommy. I planned our whole existance around her visits including trips meals and shopping othe than food. I have homeschooled the kids so we are not subject to a public school schedule that way when she came in all of our time was spent pleasing her. It was like the circus coming to town. Everyone preparing for the show in front of a hostile audience. When she came in the door all three rings went at one time just trying to recieve some approval and it just overwhelmed her and she would get mad. So everyone got to the point of who cares it doesn't matter what we do she is never happy.

So now we are having major extinction bursts because I'm not forcing the circus to go on anymore.
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2014, 12:19:34 PM »

This is new. She started it after her arrest for assaulting me. She was due to leave town and I had sent the kids with a friend to an undisclosed location to keep them away from the violence, plus she wanted to trianglulate the kids. So she raged because I was keeping her kids away from her but they had just returned from a week long trip over xmas. She keeps repeating in text email and voicemail that the kids need to hear her side of the story not just my lies.

The DV assault is what changes everything -- you have some leeway there because of it. Does your L think you should be trying to create regular communication between the kids and their mom?

I moved to an undisclosed location, too, when things boiled over. My L told me to put S12 in contact with his dad immediately (we left on a Friday, and they had their first conversation on Sunday evening). That turned out to be very important advice because N/BPDx repeatedly accused me of kidnapping S12. Almost every hearing, he brought it up. My L would just counter by saying, "The minor child spoke to you within 48 hours of moving out with his mother, who contacted you within 5 hours to tell you that S12 was safe and she was filing for divorce."

Your case is very different than mine, but just wanted to share what my L told me in case it's useful to you. I would imagine that your judge is going to be very interested in the status quo, if you can document that. Since the kids have their own devices and your ex can communicate with them at any time, but they choose not to, is there a way you can document that? In court, your testimony about what your children said or did will not be allowed. You will need communication between you and your ex to make information explicit. For example, you would need to include emails as exhibits that you wrote, "You has not lived with the family for 6 years and only came home every 3 or 4 weeks, and regular communication was not a priority. The kids have a lot of access to their phones and Internet, and you can contact them at any time, and if you want to arrange a specific time for them to be on, you can let them know, and they will respond if they are available."

Your ex is likely to accuse you of parental alienation -- in my case, it was a relief to have so much documentation in which I attempted to support the communication, and N/BPDx routinely sabotaged it. Again, not sure if that will count for much since there is DV, but there are also a lot of members here who experience blatant bias towards mothers in custody disputes, and even in cases that seem very straightforward about who is disordered and abusive, unbelievably unfair rulings do happen.

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