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« on: February 24, 2014, 02:43:07 PM »

No contact since Friday. Just realising how lonely I am. Ruminating and playing everything in my mind. Had dinner alone in a restaurant and a few drinks.

I am lonely and co dependent a fixer and rescuer. And I have failed again.

She ended it by sleeping around but I said if you want a proper relationship then get back in touch- always leaving the ball in her court. What is so terrifying is her ability to move on at the drop of a hat like you never existed. The exact opposite to me. I'm floundering now, unable to get in touch and feeling like crap. I might be posting on the wrong board bu feel I have no option but to move on.

Background info she was a drug/sex addict now she's just a sex addict
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 02:54:53 PM »

Hi Front Runner,

Sorry you are going through this.  Congrats on the NC!  Do you think you can have "proper relationship" with her?
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 02:56:12 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 04:37:44 PM »

From you answer is sounds like it is time to move on. For us codependents that is frightening.

Step though the fear and liberate Yourself. It will be a great day.
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 04:59:51 PM »

No contact since Friday. Just realising how lonely I am. Ruminating and playing everything in my mind. Had dinner alone in a restaurant and a few drinks.

I am lonely and co dependent a fixer and rescuer. And I have failed again.

What do you think you failed at, Front runner? She's likely disordered (or you wouldn't have found your way here), and has a sex addiction as well. How could you possibly save someone from that?

It's new for you, your first weekend "Free" in quite a long time. Take this time with yourself and be gentle. Mine told me I "failed" her. I was stuck in the FOG for many months. But then I asked myself, "what exactly did I 'fail' at?"

Failed at being a parent to a woman who cycled between angry, abandoned 13 year old girl, and angry abandoned 3 year old girl emotionally?

Failed to constantly validate and soothe her while she constantly INvalidated me (and emotionally and verbally abused me, cyclical with her moods and unseen triggers)?

Failed at "taking care of her" when this is a 30 something year old woman and mother of two young children who should have been taking care of them, not herself?

No. The relationship, consisting of two people, is what failed. It was doomed from the beginning. She is repeating her past cycles, even while working hard on herself to change (I'll give her some credit for our r/s finally shocking her to make the best effort to change to date). Whatever. I am determined to change myself. My attraction to poor, lost little girl-adults (of whatever age on the outside) in order to soothe myself. It's ok to be alone (again). It's ok to be abandoned (again). She left. That was her choice. She is a free agent, no matter how horribly she, or yours, ended things. Nothing I could do could control that, and I refused to debase myself to "win" her back after the first effort. I realized later, that I finally stood up for me. I valued myself. The Rescuer still lurks within. That's part of who I am, and I accept that. But that isn't all of me. And I work to value the other things more. It's a slow process. Give yourself time. Accept your feelings now, you are hurt, and you are human. In time, it will get better. Hang in there.
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2014, 12:20:53 AM »

Isolation is a good thing, be happy being alone. Centre yourself, see everything around you. This is the world, you have been in a terrible place. Your inner voice is loudest when you are alone. Listen to it, find out who you are. Don't overdo isolation, we are regaining the self.

I have realised being alone is the key, why can't BPD sufferers bear being alone? It promotes self knowledge, growth and change, so hated by this affliction.

You have been trained to feel anxious and dependant on another. This is the hideous feeling, but it's not true. You can and will feel joy and hope again now you are driving the decisions. Your feelings about yourself and your relation to others must change.

Returning to the wellspring of abuse will both hurt you and fill up these lonely feelings. Escape from abuse is hard and very very simple...

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for now a gift from you to yourself... .

A future of freedom and hope.

Keep at it, the feeling of loneliness will go, get physical with your healing, healthy body is a route to a healthy mind. A healthy mind is a route to a healthy body. Gently and with an awareness this is being done with love and care for yourself.

7 months out of a 4 year RS, I was shattered. Change was not only essential but the only choice. I've come to realise everything was broken by more than one person. It has been very easy to change really, like year zero again. This is a gift, the self becomes a beautiful work in progress.

Your partner can move on 'as if you didn't exist' because they didn't exist, it is a fabrication to allow you to attach to her, and you went for it. You hoped you could save yourself by saving her.

Disembodied, lost spirits roaming the earth.

My daughter said 2+ months after the break up

'It's like she was never here?'

She wasn't

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2014, 12:50:35 AM »

Thank you for your replies. There is hope, glimpses beyond the terrible rumination and longing

Isolation is important too. But yes not too much.

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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2014, 03:18:57 PM »

Hi Front Runner,

I too am a fixer, codependent, and rescuer.  What I have found, as I look at myself and how I came to be with my disordered ex:  well, no one can be rescued or fixed.  No amount of love, attention, caretaking, or good intentions will ever save another.  I also found that, well, I needed to be rescued and fixed (thus the reason for rescuing others).  I have bravely decided to rescue myself.  I hope you give yourself love, care, and attention... . now when you need it!  Give as much to yourself as you gave to her... . you need it more right now and she doesn't have the ability to appreciate it(she is disordered).

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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 03:38:24 PM »

Mine told me I "failed" her. I was stuck in the FOG for many months. But then I asked myself, "what exactly did I 'fail' at?"

Failed at being a parent to a woman who cycled between angry, abandoned 13 year old girl, and angry abandoned 3 year old girl emotionally?

Turkish, you speak the truth.  My "relationship" wasn't a partnership.  I went from being idealized, to "not enough," to discarded.   And the FOG kept me attached.  I started to crave her validation.   

I got a "goodbye" today.  It came with her painting our entire relationship black.  It came with her invalidating everything.   It came with all the blame at my feet.   The tone in her voice was cold and angry.

I'm grateful for the "goodbye."   I'm grateful for this community.   I'm grateful to take a deep breath, and to stop feeling bad.
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2014, 03:44:15 PM »

Hi LettingGo,

This subject was actually turned into a great workshop by Clearmind - see full workshop here:

https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=161524.0

In some relationships, the idealization phase is the partner being in lonely child stance and the Borderline being in abandoned child stance.*Both need saving* Both need attachment to stave off the pain of being alone.  This is one type of bonding seen in this community.

In this bond, both people bring core trauma to the relationship. Mirroring reenacts the earliest childhood experiences to rise up and emerge into consciousness.

In idealization, there is a dual identification and projection for both people that they have found a perfect love- however, one partner (the “lonely child”) does not yet realize that the other partner (the abandoned child= Borderline) has no whole self- and is utilizing a fantasy of a part-time good in order to fuse with the partner's part time good and become one.

The lonely child has spent much of their life becoming “one.”  When a lonely child finds an abandoned child, both parties feel needed. However, rather than truly loving the individuality of both parties- the sad, fantasy aspect of mirroring magnifies the unhealthy *needs* of both people.

When the lonely child begins to question the reality of mirroring (reality testing) this raises core traumas into activation concerning both the questioning (uncertainty) and the hope (unfulfilled expectations) of the unrealistic attachment. "Lack of inherent trust" is found in both parties at this stage.

Reality testing causes the lonely child to pull away because certain things don't add up- as you say, "the idealization phase slowly erodes."

Pulling away, even while in the lap of comfortable luxury- triggers the abandoned child issues of the Borderline. This causes panic reactions of clinging behaviors by the Borderline to prevent the retreat of their desired love object. These immature demands can look like entitlement to others, especially to a lonely child, who has learned early on to be self sufficient and to self soothe- but the entitlement markers are highly charged and emotional to a Borderline, which isn’t Narcissistic grandiosity- it’s ego deficiency and panic.

The entitlement phase brings a hidden "angry and aggressive child" out from hibernation and into full view and this usually occurs when the lonely child least expects it.  The angry child that emerges is pissed and has delusions of persecution that are ideas of reference from earlier childhood trauma. It’s at this point that the angry child (Borderline) will become enraged and try to cast off shame.  They may attempt to harm himself/herself in order to scapegoat the lonely child- who unwittingly stands-in for the earliest attachment.  This triggers the lonely child's trauma from their earliest attachment as well.

The Borderline wants so badly to be whole that they demand that the lonely child create wholeness for them- which the partner succeeds in doing early on but then relaxes. The Borderline temper tantrum, with its ideas of reference being so very childlike and fantastic, perceives the relaxation of the partner as though the attachment is split up. In order to cope, the Borderline must now find another part time perceived good object to self medicate the emotions of feeling badly from the split.  If this cannot be accomplished, the surge of limbic fear concerning anger and abandonment causes such great pain that self harm is often inflicted for relief.

The lonely child is often very surprised by this. The anger and dysregulation are in contrast to what he/she perceives are necessary for the circumstances. (The lonely child fails to see need disguised as "love."  Therefore, the lonely child seeks to understand the Borderlines ideas of reference concerning "love" in order to cope with the neediness and begins a line of questioning.  The Borderline retreats.

Lonely child is "understanding driven" and gets drawn into the Borderline acting out. The lonely child now has a mystery- the Borderline dilemma of "who am I?" This is very likely the same way that the lonely child came into existence as an “understanding driven” child. Especially when he questioned the motives of his earliest attachments during infancy and adolescence.

The lonely child *understands* the need to be held, loved and understood – because that’s what he longs for in others. The lonely child feels that in order to deal with acting out of the Borderline- the lonely child must project the aura of grace, compassion and understanding upon the Borderline and also guide, teach and show the way- because after all, that’s what the lonely child would want someone to do for him. There was a large reason that the initial mirroring (of this fixer /rescuer ego) worked so well in the idealization stage- the relationship really WAS the projection of lonely child that was mirrored, not the deficient ego of the Borderline.

In the "upside down" world of the Borderline, the lonely child is the perfect attachment to fuse to and the hypersensitive Borderline is the perfect mystery for the lonely child to try to understand.  This is the reactivation of a childhood dynamic- that forms a needy bond.

The Borderline is a perfect template with which to Header and identify with as a good object and also one to invest in to feel better about the “self.”

The understanding driven lonely child "imagines" (projects) onto the Borderline what he/she feels the Borderline identifies with. The lonely child often fills in the blanks with projective identification and the Borderline attempts to absorbs this- but it's impossible to appear as a self-directed person while taking cues and mirroring another self directed partner.

The Borderline scrambles to keep up with what is projected in a chameleon like manner.  All of this pressure to adapt and conform to the projection smothers and defeats the Borderline’s yearning for a perfect bond and triggers engulfment failure.  

Engulfment also means loss of control, annihilation fantasies and shame.  Shame activates the punitive parent that resides in their inner world, their psyche. The attachment failure has now become shame based for the Borderline.  It will soon become guilt driven for the lonely child partner.

Engulfment makes Borderlines very frustrated and angry- but Borderlines fear abandonment and choose to stuff away their fear and compulsively attempt to manage their pain. The impulsive gestures are a form of self harm that fixes the bond in a permanent chaos of action/reaction.  

Borderlines can be avoidant and passive aggressive and will do everything in their power to hide their strong emotions until they implode.  They swing wildly from abandoned child to angry child until they deflate into detached protector- who is basically a mute that doesn’t speak- or worse, speaks in word salad when confronted.

The swinging dysregulation pattern is unable to be separated and individuated and self directed. Because it cannot be self directed, it cannot be self soothed. There is no ability to defer these emotions to logic and reasoning with introspection *without* another person to blame.  This is where Borderlines are showing you the maturity stage at which they are developmentally arrested and remain stuck and frightened.

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Devaluing is the BPD going into the punitive parent role to switch up the control ~ control was relinquished in the idealisation phase so we will attach. The further along we get in the rs ~ the BPD then feels like we are the persecutor for their failing part time self ~ devalue. Devaluing is more about projection ~ because there failing self makes them feel woeful, scared, fearful.

We all have punitive parents that exist in our heads. This is our Superego.  The criticism felt by both parties exists as guilt and shame inside our heads. This tape plays over and over and is a re-working of former traumas. It is also a huge part of what makes complementary traumas so attractive as binding agents to each other.  The lonely child has the “tyrannical shoulds” while the abandoned child has defectiveness schema- together they interact and drive each other crazy.

The understanding driven child cannot fathom how another human being does not have a “self.”  The understanding driven child has had much childhood experience with strong selves and has created a self to understand the motives of others. Lonely children have a need to have some sort of control over their destiny because so much was out of control in their childhood.

The Borderline’s idea of destiny is being attached to others for protection. The Borderline cannot fathom what it means to have a stand alone “self.”

Both parties are human “doing” for others rather than being- but there is more impulsivity in Borderline in the “offering” of themselves as objects.  (The lonely child is very particular concerning who he gives his heart to and makes decisions based upon careful consideration.)

The failure to find a healthy mature love activates the punitive parent in both people’s psyche- one for persecution and the other for failure to understand others (cloaked in rescuing behaviors)- this is the “flea” of each others psychiatric trauma that really is a very strong obsessive bond, and one of endless victimization for both parties unless one or the other becomes understanding driven toward self direction.  Guess who has the best chance?  Unfortunately, the mirrored good that the Borderline provided was a very strong drug- and the obsession is outwardly projected (as it always has been) by the lonely child in order to understand and consequently, control it.

It’s at this point that spying, engaging in testing and push/pull behaviors occur as both parties fight for control. Each pours salt in the others core wound.

The understanding driven child tries to understand the Borderline and the Borderline feels misunderstood and persecuted. The understanding driven child retreats to repair their ego and the Borderline lashes out and tries to shame him. The pendulum swings back and forth in clinging and hating and disordered thought and chaos.  

The lonely child tries to uncover what they think the Borderline is hiding from them (triggering bouts of paranoia) or missing (creating dependency issues.)  The angry child threatens to destroy the relationship (as well as themselves = self harm) which triggers immense anger and outrage for both parties. Their love object is broken.

Both parties are in pain- and their egos are easy to "pinch" because they both fear abandonment.   At this point, both core traumas are exposed and the partners are no longer interacting with each other except to arouse each other’s trauma wounds from childhood.

The false self of the lonely child, that the Borderline mirrored, has more ego- as it is directly tied to a “self” which involves coping mechanisms from childhood that mirrored back good.  It was a self that was capable and seeming to have all the answers in the beginning.  When the Borderline tries to destroy it as a failed attachment, it begins to crumble and the lonely child retreats and tries to repair it- essentially wounded to the core. This is also part and parcel of the injury of the smear campaign- and the lonely child may try to return to defend the "self" from being attacked.

Trauma for the lonely child occurs mainly because of perceived failure they cannot “understand” enough (essentially an obsession at this point) and trauma for the Borderline occurs because of anger and abandonment and shame that existed since infancy- and persecution by their inner parent superego for not becoming whole.  

At this point, both parties feel like failures.

Unfortunately, the repair for the lonely child’s self consists of trying again to fix the Borderline "mirror" to reflect the good.  Many attempts will be made by the lonely child (once again) to effect an outcome other than the failed attachment.  The lonely child will try to re-build the self and get the love object (Borderline) to return and resume their compliant mirroring.

Eventually, the fantasy begins to unravel for the lonely child, that they are alone- and the person that the lonely child fell in love with, (the person in the mirror,) was actually YOU.

Who really is the Borderline? Someone who needed you for awhile because they were scared to be alone.

They’re still scared. Forgive them if you can- they are modern day recreations of their own childhood fears.

Now- after reading all of this- You can’t keep going back for more trauma.  Idea The trauma bond must be broken.

After we've let fantasy go- we can turn the focus to healing.  It's good to wonder what our attraction must have been to this person. Whatever clues you have are generally good enough to give you reason that you’ve had experience with this type of personality before- perhaps within your family of origin.

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Radical acceptance comes when you realize that what was mirrored really wasn’t you- it was what *you wanted others to give to you*   It was <<Understanding.>>

Try to give that to yourself.

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