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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: March 05, 2014, 03:21:22 PM »

I'm not sure if this is the right place for this post - so please feel free to move it.

I need to share something that has just happened over the last 24 hours, cause I'm not sure why it happened or if it is going to happen again.  Here is the short of it.

I came to this support group about a week or so back and have been doing a lot of reading and sharing and soul searching.  I recapped my entire life going all the way back to my mom and childhood.  I realized that every relationship I have had since leaving home was with someone just like my mom (mom diagnosed PD). 

Recently separated (Sept 2012) pending divorce (should be final this month) from my diagnosed PD wife... . and have been L/C since November and self imposed N/C since last week.  Have been doing pretty good and yesterday - oh man, it was a wonderful day.  My head was clear... . again... . I felt revitalized.  I felt the ruminations stop because there was nothing left to go over... . and I felt free.

Then all of a sudden as I was thinking of my current G/F and our relationship moving forward - I slipped into replaying my entire marriage in my head.  From the first onset of arguments, to the cheating, to me being angry, to the day she finally moved out (the last time)... . to the day she came back... . then left... . then back... . and so on. 

I got sick to my stomach.  The fog returned. I thunked myself into feeling the exact way I felt at all the bad times.  I got angry at myself for getting angry with her... . even though I knew my logic was sound, I couldn't help but think what I always thought in that I was wrong and could have done something better.  I curled up in a fetal position on my bed and eventually went to bed - only to wake up a few hours later (like I always do in these times) and the thoughts picked right up where they left off.

I'm kicking myself in the ass for how this happened because just a few hours earlier I was so clear headed.

I swear it felt like I was drunk... . but I haven't had anything to drink.  Trust me - this feeling is worse when I drink.  I was sorta in a dazz and wondered what the heck is going on.  Am I right. Am I wrong.  Am I somewhere inbetween - what could I have done to fix this... . or am I broken and my currently relationship is doomed to fail for the same reasons... . because of me.

Then... . I happened to have a phone call from my daughter and we chatted for a while.  We spoke about her mom and her sister (both in my opinion ar BPD)... . and she was telling me about my daughters current boyfriend, how they met - how she triangulated the relationship from day one and the dude was dating her friend and was sleeping with her sister (I know... . I mean my daughter... . ) - how dude ended up getting high before going to a court date the next day... . tested positive for drugs, got locked up - got out - had to go to rehab... . and how him and my child now live together.

But this is the best relationship that my daughter has ever been in.

see... . I knew none of this.  Mainly because she won't tell me these things because she knows I will have A LOT to say about it and would want to help her see she has issues.  But her not talking to me isn't because of that... . it's because I'm an ass and I'm wrong.

so my "normal" daughter is explaining to me, basically... . that I was right all along.

and I knew I was right.  I knew I was right from day one with their mother - and I am not sure how I ended up being in the wrong (painted black).  Even in the face of facts and truths which state otherwise.

But more importantly - how could I have been so clear headed one moment just to slip into a pattern of second guessing myself so much that I manifested the physical feelings?  I could understand if I had contact with my ex... . she always has that affect on me... . but I did this to myself.

What's up with that?
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2014, 03:58:21 PM »

Healing is not linear. It can feel like one step forward and two back sometimes.

You have a lot to process. PD wife and you grew up in a PD household. I also have a parent who is likely to be BPD. Have you explored all that with a therapist?
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 05:25:53 PM »

Healing is not linear. It can feel like one step forward and two back sometimes.

You have a lot to process. PD wife and you grew up in a PD household. I also have a parent who is likely to be BPD. Have you explored all that with a therapist?

I had been on the couch for about two years - about a year prior to the split up... . and then about a year after.

The talk of any PD never came up explicitly, but it was more how I was dealing with things that were going on.  But during our talks, as I see it now, they were leaning towards saying it without saying it.

I asked once if we could stop focusing on my (soon to be) ex and what was my diagnosis... . but that never happened.  I look at it now and it probably was because they knew I had no diagnosis to have except I was always involving myself with PD folks.  And in retrospect... . I surely had.

I mean, I look at all of my relationships now - in hindsite - and that is exactly what I did.  And even relationships where the folks were not PD... . I still acted in the way I was conditioned.

That is to say, I went out of my way to try and calm them down and correct in me whatever the issue may have been to get them upset (even if I didn't do anything wrong).

I see it plain as day now.

When I'm able to get back into therapy, I will certainly bring this up.  I don't need my councelor to help me detach any longer or help me understand why I was in such a crazy making relationship.

I just wondered why I got to a point where I somehow talked myself into the doubt again.

Must be mindful when that happens and snap myself out of it.  It is more ingrained in me than I thought.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 06:46:36 PM »

Hey Woods Posse, as Clearmind wrote, healing is not in any way a linear process.  It is not necessary to ask why you are flushed with emotions and memories, rather it is best to fully experience them and seek any insight you can derive from them.  This process is very much a part of healing and growing.  I would venture to say that the whole episode and your post have given you additional insight into aspects of yourself and your past.  Such an intense episode is a bit like all of the first three stages of detachment as listed on the right being experienced all at once!

You have experienced a lot of complex emotional tumult in relationships beginning with your mother and seemingly all of the significant women in your life.  And it is ongoing with your ex and your daughter.  It is a lot to absorb and to adapt to.

I think such integrated episodes, involving mind, imagination and body, are ways that I integrate my feelings and perceptions into my personality.  They are episodes of transformation when my thoughts and feelings are aligned and my body reacts.  So, as I read your post, I think it is a key part of personal growth and not an episode of retreat.
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