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« on: May 02, 2014, 03:42:27 PM »

Could someone explain the reason why people with BPD take what you say and make it so negative AND how that's got anything to do with abandonment issues?

For example: Beautiful day all is well in the world sitting on the porch drinking

ice tea...

Me: Did you have a red bike when you were a kid?

Him: why would you think all kids would have a red bike? Why not blue or green? Did just the popular kids have red bikes or something? There is plenty of kids that didn't even have a bike... what about those kids?

Me: 

Another example

Me: when it gets dark I'm going to sneak next door and grab an apple off Mrs.Jackson's apple tree 

Him:Do you know what it's like to be in prison? Your in a tiny cell having to use the bathroom in the same room ... . disgusting cell mates that do nasty things and you have no choice but to live that way for years... Prison ain't fun but go ahead and chance it and see for yourself.

Me

He also found insults where they were none like most BPD do but these are simple innocent statements... small talk ... I never could understand why.

Tell me  please,why it's this way and how that's connected to abandonment issues? It would literally suck the life out of me ... to the point that I started to become more quiet and nervous to say anything
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2014, 03:52:04 PM »

WOW, I could have typed the exact same thing.   I have no idea how it has to do with abandonment issues.  But it seems that any thing I said, or if I coughed in the middle of statment or sneeezed, it meant that what I was saying wasn't the truth.   

I am intersted in hearing what people have to say about this.   I too got to the point where I was afraid to say anything, cough sneeze laugh not laugh, blink or even move.   One day he was reading something to me and I was scratching my leg and he went off saying I was not interested in his conversation.  I had an itch.   

It seems that I spent so much time trying to figure out why he did what he did and said what he said.  One day someone said, "Because he has a mental illness that's why, and you have to accept if that is what you want to deal with in a relationship.  Stop analyzing it this is who he is."   

I kept thinking there was something I was doing that was making him do these things. 

Even he told me once. "I don't do this on purpose, but when you defend yourself you do"   I have to agree.   But there is only so much I could take.

And here is where the guilt lies for me.   Why could I not except that none of this was personal and he has a mental illness.   My response was BECAUSE IT WAS SO DAM# HURTFUL THAT'S WHY

This didn't answer your question but it felt good to type.   Being cool (click to insert in post)  Thanks



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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2014, 04:01:58 PM »

I told him once ... your so hard to figure out, I could say one thing on a certain day and it wouldn't bother you at all but the next you will make a big deal of it ... he said Yea I know with a grin...

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One day he was reading something to me and I was scratching my leg and he went off saying I was not interested in his conversation.  I had an itch.

Yes this too! If he was talking and  a book shelf fell to the  floor and I looked over at it... . he would throw his hands up and say forget it your not listening to me!... . whaaaat?

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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2014, 04:07:02 PM »

Could someone explain the reason why people with BPD take what you say and make it so negative AND how that's got anything to do with abandonment issues?

For example: Beautiful day all is well in the world sitting on the porch drinking

ice tea...

Me: Did you have a red bike when you were a kid?

Him: why would you think all kids would have a red bike? Why not blue or green? Did just the popular kids have red bikes or something? There is plenty of kids that didn't even have a bike... what about those kids?

Me: 

In my experience, it's usually because questions like that trigger memories of abuse and neglect that may be tangentially related to the original query.  They'll go through three or four layers of memories to that abuse and re-experience it like someone had smacked them right then and there.

To give you an example of my past, early on when me and my ex had moved in together, and my dad was visiting us to check out the apartment.  I went to go get a cup of milk to drink one night.  I didn't think much of it when she asked me "why are you drinking milk?"  Surprised, I said what's the big deal, and how I've been drinking milk since I was a kid.  She then told me that growing up, she didn't drink milk because "no one just drinks milk like that!"

Years later, I found out that her mother reserved the milk for her own use and for cooking only, and that she wasn't allowed to drink milk ever after she was weaned.  Then again, she wasn't allowed to eat too much "because she was fat" (when it was that she didn't want her and didn't want to spend a penny more than she had to).  Also, as a result of the neglect at home, she developed a binge eating habit with her grandmother where they would polish off boxes of cookies and candies in one sitting.

Notice that we've gone far away from the original point. Smiling (click to insert in post)

My point is that people with BPD get triggered EASILY.  All communications must be looked at through that filter.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2014, 04:57:09 PM »

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Tell me  please,why it's this way and how that's connected to abandonment issues? It would literally suck the life out of me ... to the point that I started to become more quiet and nervous to say anything

Walking on eggshells, afraid to trigger, retaining anxiety... . I think we all can relate to that.

It always isn't related to the abandonment wound directly, but the core abandonment wound and messed up attachment resulted in the pwBPD being emotionally stuck in infancy or toddlerhood. This results in black and white thinking, and extreme egocentricity, because that is how children view the world, as centered around them. Anything good that happens, they assume happened due to their actions. Likewise, anything bad that happens they equally take blame upon themsleves, assuming that they were the cause of it. Neither of which is true. This leads to toxic shame and invalidating behaviors towards others. They literally can't see the world through another's eyes (and keep in mind that not all pwBPD are the same, it is a spectrum of disorder).

Your anecdotes were sadly entertaining to me. Not because I think they are funny because they obviously caused you pain and anxiety, but because I can picture my 4 year old son saying similar things.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2014, 05:15:58 PM »

Thank you so much for the responses... I could relate the mistook comments like " Hey did you take my last 20$?" and twist that into  me accusing him of stealing. The casual talk is what had me so confused... I'm very playful and cut up a bit and he said that he liked that about me but that soon changed.

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Your anecdotes were sadly entertaining to me. Not because I think they are funny because they obviously caused you pain and anxiety, but because I can picture my 4 year old son saying similar things.

Those were made up examples Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) Smiling (click to insert in post)... . strange thing is those kind of  conversations  happened alot but  for some reason I can't remember the details to them? I find it very hard to give examples to my friend when she asks what he does... It's like a big fuzzy mess that I can't explain to people.

Something I just realized ... when I hear why he does certain things... it makes me sad and want to reach out ... I'm not but it sure tugs at my heart.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2014, 07:01:10 PM »

I get the tugging at the heart. I keep thinking if only i could be more tolerant. If only i could just let go of the awful sickening things he accused me of. But i can't. I don't seem to have that kind of tolerance. And sometimes i just was afraid of him. Why can't i just see him like a child. I would not be upset if a child threw tantrums. But his were just so hurtful. How can anyone stand that sort of verbal abuse. And how can someone have to live alone because of a childhood they had no control over. It makes me sick to my stomach. It makes me disappointed in myself that i could not be strong enough. Not fix it but be able to accept it. And i could not :'(. The whole thing makes my head spin. And eat! I gained 25 pounds !
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