Frozen the movie - a story of BPD?

[joolz29]

I have just taken my nieces to see the Disney movie Frozen and was struck by how the entire film could be a metaphor for someone suffering from BPD - Elsa has 'powers' that she can't control and that  when they get triggered hurt people. As a result of hurting her own sister, she has to hide away for fear of hurting other people. She lives in a castle of ice, alone and fears contact with anyone as she thinks she will hurt them. Her sister continually tries to break through the silence and imposed isolation as she loves Elsa but Elsa continually rejects her sister's attempts to reach her... .hmmmm hello? And finally true love is what breaks the spell - validation from her sister of her own worth? And then the song Let it Go -

":)on’t let them in, don’t let them see

Be the good girl

You always had to be

Conceal, don’t feel

Don’t let them know

Well, now they know”

BPD anthem or what?

Anyone else found themselves relating BPD behaviour to films or stories or have I just spent too long on these boards?

[Blimblam]

I have just taken my nieces to see the Disney movie Frozen and was struck by how the entire film could be a metaphor for someone suffering from BPD - Elsa has 'powers' that she can't control and that  when they get triggered hurt people. As a result of hurting her own sister, she has to hide away for fear of hurting other people. She lives in a castle of ice, alone and fears contact with anyone as she thinks she will hurt them. Her sister continually tries to break through the silence and imposed isolation as she loves Elsa but Elsa continually rejects her sister's attempts to reach her... .hmmmm hello? And finally true love is what breaks the spell - validation from her sister of her own worth? And then the song Let it Go -

":)on’t let them in, don’t let them see

Be the good girl

You always had to be

Conceal, don’t feel

Don’t let them know

Well, now they know”

BPD anthem or what?

Anyone else found themselves relating BPD behaviour to films or stories or have I just spent too long on these boards?

The proto myth they are using as the basis is the Persephone deter myth that formed the basis of the eulucenean mysteries that predates Ancient Greece. The same format of this myth of the fallen goddess exists in just about every mythology.

Just now are they starting to get more obvious that it's about BPD. 

But yeah it's everywhere from Friday the 13th to sleeping beauty and te little mermaid.

[joolz29]

Aha thanks for the answer Blimblam, so my next question is,if so many myths & stories make some nodding references to BPD type behaviours, why is it not more widely known about? Or is it that once someone has 'experienced' (for want of a better word  ) a BPD relationship, we are more clued up and spot the references which other people may not, cos as I'm sure we can all vouch for, there is nothing mythical about this illness! I'm genuinely interested in what you said as I have never sat and watched a film and been so struck by the allegories  as I was today... .

[Blimblam]

The characters in those stories is not always necessarily a girl with BPD they are typically a bout a girl haunted by dark forces.

Why is BPD not more well known?  Well if you take the collective art about and around BPD it is well known just Often misunderstood and not known about until you had a sort of innitiary experience that makes you realize so much art is inspired by it and what it is they are really portraying.

Our societies values are largely informed by those introduced in the industrial revolution. Our society tends to value states of conciousness that make a productive worker unit or high achieving industrialist. So people's knowledge of mental illnesses are typically viewed as in relation to the favored states of conciousness.

With the 20th century there was a shift as viewing the individual as the productive unit to the consumptive unit.  We are now also valued as consumers to consume products and goods.  So "mental illnesses," are going to be valued by how and what they consume.  When our value is gauged by our consumption mental illness is viewed as nothing more than a commodity and only gains recognition when it can be commodified. 

[doubleAries]

In all honesty, I can hardly stand to watch TV/movies at all. The way love and romance are portrayed make me feel ill. Apparently when you live in Hollywood, you can even fall in love during a car chase, while shooting someone, or even while being chased by psycho killers/monsters/aliens/zombies/rabid dogs/tornados.

People (in Hollywood) "just know" they are in love as soon as they meet each other. There is no development of trust, value, or safety. It's just "magic". If a movie starts out with a man and a woman who hate each others guts, it's a certainty that they will be "in love" by the end of the movie. They will move in together and/or be married within days of meeting each other. This is portrayed as "endearing" and "romantic" rather than creepy and dysfunctional.

Another popular theme is that this type of "love" conquers mental illness (of any kind, but especially major mental illnesses like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder) and/or addictions. That's right, kids--"magic" love (the unthought out kind) repairs permanently damaged brain cells!

And if you are watching this drivel, you are supposed to wonder what's WRONG with you for not having experienced this type of "magic". If you actually spent time getting to know someone, then you aren't really in love with them. The only way to know when you are truly "in love" is when you experience an electrical shock when your hand "accidentally" brushes up against the other persons body (anywhere). If you haven't fallen in to bed within the first 12 to 24 hours upon meeting, then it isn't (Hollywood) LOVE.

Maybe the handful of writers who come up with this creepy crap are BPD's, I don't know. At the very least, it's juvenile, immature, magical thinking.   

[Blimblam]

Double Aries

Everything you mentioned is addressed in the movie frozen.  That you if you fall in love too quickly the Prince Charming may be manipulator.

[doubleAries]

I haven't seen Frozen and am very unlikely to. But I get the gist---it's all about "being rescued". That's what fairy tales are always about. Being rescued from anything--but especially from YOURSELF.

In the real world, people who surround themselves by dysfunction in order to distract themselves from their own inner psychological turmoil (and to build themselves up by putting others down) are called "enablers".

[Blimblam]

I haven't seen Frozen and am very unlikely to. But I get the gist---it's all about "being rescued". That's what fairy tales are always about. Being rescued from anything--but especially from YOURSELF.

In the real world, people who surround themselves by dysfunction in order to distract themselves from their own inner psychological turmoil (and to build themselves up by putting others down) are called "enablers".

I understand your point of view but if you watch frozen you may be pleasently surprised they constructed a fairytale that addresses the very issues you have with fairytales.

[doubleAries]

Hmmm... .hard to believe, but possible, I suppose. Maybe I'll give it a view... .

[joolz29]

Yup I agree, it has a different spin on the usual 'happy ending' schmaltz... .

[half-life]

People (in Hollywood) "just know" they are in love as soon as they meet each other. There is no development of trust, value, or safety. It's just "magic".

Yeah, like there are two characters hate each other at the beginning. Then in one scene they just stopped and looked at each other into the eyes. Then kiss and declare they really love each other.   These are bad Hollywood movies.

On the other hand, there are also a lot of wonderful movies out there. A good story express yearning and desire that I do not know how to express myself. I enjoy good movies very much. With some exaggeration, I'd say everything I've learned about relations I learned it from movies.

[no_ordinary]

my ex is obsessed with the movie... .i can guess why