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« on: July 13, 2015, 12:32:12 AM »

Hi Everyone, this site was really helpful to me when my therapist proposed that perhaps my mom was on the BPD spectrum. After a 5-year cut-off initiated by my mother, she suddenly wants to resume contact with me.

I need to share my ambivalence and concerns with folks who understand; and would like to know any experiences that you have had with this sort of thing.

BRIEF BACKSTORY: I was clueless that all mothers didn't behave like my mother until I got married. My parents are divorced and my brother has been estranged from my mother for most of the last 30 years, so I was kind of her emotional captive. My mother's  behavior became really bizarre after I married. My husband tragically became ill and died of cancer early in my marriage.

I think my mother thought that after my husband was dead that everything was going to return to  "normal," i.e., that she would be numero uno in my life again. Of course, that did not happen; I continued my personal grief work and ironically that strengthened me; I set boundaries and expressed my feelings, even ones she did not like ... .hence the eventual cutoff.

For a long time I avoided extended family gatherings because of the cut-off with her; I felt ashamed, even though I had no reason to feel shame, and have struggled to work on that.  I have had some understandable struggles with depression. However, I have had PEACE in my life, the most PEACEFUL TIME EVER in my WHOLE LIFE, these last five years! In hindsight I see it is life absent manipulation and drama that = peace.

I have had adventures and made a family of friends; it has been good.

Last year I took a big, positive step and I hosted one of those family gatherings I had been avoiding Smiling (click to insert in post)! My mother attended and had nothing to do with me the whole time. That was ludicrous, and it was, ironically, such a GIFT to me. It was like the Wizard of Oz's screen collapsed, and I was looking at this small, insignificant, angry, hard, powerless little woman, and she wasn't scary anymore.

THE CURRENT SITUATION: I attended a family member's funeral last week and as I was leaving, my mother approached me and spoke with me. I was not expecting this; I just figured she'd keep icing me out. It was the typical BPD conversation that might sound perfectly normal to a bystander, but given the history and the context, and the lies she glibly spoke ... .you understand.  She hasn't spoke to me in 5 years and says she wants to go to family therapy with me. She left it up to me to find someone and to call her for coffee to chat.

The thing is, I don't want to go to family therapy with her. It seems pointless, based on what I know of BPD; and based on the lies and the manipulation in that one interaction. I actually started crying in the car on the way home and sobbed my guts out for about an hour, mainly because I could feel the childhood feelings of fear and the adult feelings of complete lack of trust of her all stirred up. I have a message to my counselor to talk this over, because I've grown so much personally! -- and I don't want to go backwards just because she decided to talk to me for the first time in 5 years. I like my peaceful life, and I don't think this is just up to her.

Any thoughts, experiences that anyone can share? Any point to family therapy with a person on the BPD spectrum? Does it matter that she is in her mid 70s? It feels to me like the mom I thought I had died at least 5 years ago -- and maybe, she actually died when I got married. I mean, I look at her, and I feel this sad feeling like there's an alien from the "Men in Black" movie that is in the skin of my mother.
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2015, 03:26:47 AM »

Feel sorry after reading your story and frankly I don’t have a real advise.

Maybe elements of what I can tell can help you.

It’s about exw (udHFBPD who refused treatment) and her parents.

At age 18 ex blew up the r/s with her parents during a massive quarrel.

Absolute NC for a 9 yrs, not even with her brother/sisters. Contact was re established because of a family member only.

Father being the enabler, mother in control (also very strong traits as more family members on mothers side).

Within days after exw left her parents, attempts were undertaken to get the ‘parties’ around the table.

Parents refused… they couldn’t set aside their hurt, their anger, their ego.

Mother telling others  ‘I feel as if being an arm is amputated’.  Of course, being dumped by a child causes deep long lasting (if not forever) pain. 

That same mother however telling her daughter (a sister of exw) ‘I am certainly not the one who will ever reach out!’ The contradiction within the family and holding up a facade as the amputated mom.

That about the background.

After yrs. the 1st contact was made in a neutral place. Parents en daughter embraced each other, tears fell and hands were held. Subjects were neutral, cloths, work, parents garden, holiday, etc.

During all the yrs. no one ever spoke about history, parents never spoke about the 9 yrs, nor did ex.

It was a part that never existed as if life stopped just before the quarrel and continued.

Both sides however wanted to make up in a way by helping each other. Helping with ‘things’ to be done (gardening/painting/driving), anything as long emotional closeness was ruled out.

Exw (so the one who blew it up) continued to carry around a very heavy burden an being there, the one her parents could rely on, became most important for her.

I can imagine your parent feels a same burden towards you, despite any disorder.

As I understand your parent wants contact. You are still suffering, parents is still suffering. Get in contact, don’t expect that much, keep boundaries (if crossed, tell you feel hurt and ask not to do it again).

You’re worth it, you’re strong enough, even stronger you might think.   

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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2015, 07:42:29 PM »

The thing is, I don't want to go to family therapy with her. It seems pointless, based on what I know of BPD; and based on the lies and the manipulation in that one interaction. 

 

I want to encourage you to give it a try.

I was impressed by reading your post by the peace you demonstrated and resolve to get to a better place.  It seems you have a sense of who you are.

So... .if you go to family T and it becomes a blamefest... .and doesn't improve after a few sessions... .I think you will have the strength to walk away... .and know that you gave it a shot.

If you got to family T... .and things improve... .you may have a r/s with your Mom again. 

Big life lesson advice from Formflier.  I advise people to make decisions based on actual experiences... .rather than on fear of how an experience will turn out.

Less chance of regret that way.

Your Mom may be ready to work through some things.  There is only one way to find out. 

If you go to a couple sessions... .and it is as you "fear"... .I doubt your opinion of her will change or there will be much additional damage from her in your life. 

You can press on with the rest of your life knowing you gave it a shot.

Thoughts?

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2015, 07:40:51 AM »

I need to share my ambivalence ... .However, I have had PEACE in my life, the most PEACEFUL TIME EVER in my WHOLE LIFE, these last five years! In hindsight I see it is life absent manipulation and drama that = peace. I have had adventures and made a family of friends; it has been good.

The thing is, I don't want to go to family therapy with her. It seems pointless, based on what I know of BPD; and based on the lies and the manipulation in that one interaction. I actually started crying in the car on the way home and sobbed my guts out for about an hour

Sorry about your husband and your troubled times. Your mom still knows your buttons if you cried for an hour. You didn’t actually put any reasons for linking back up other than “family” and what others think. I love your description of peace, I would agree with that.

I’m also NC but considering linking back up, however I know from past attempts my BPD & NPD are not for changing. So I’m linking back up due to other people – not for my BPD & NPD and not for me. But if it were for me, I wouldn’t. I’ve read many times NPD & BPD don’t change, unless you get them really young and into therapy quickly. Never read of anyone even close to 70 making that trip– but please prove me wrong if someone else has seen evidence to the contrary.

In order to manipulate you, they must first tempt you back onto the spider’s web. As my Dad once said, our BPD was the sweetest thing until the day after the wedding. But on the upside, sounds like things are going extremely well for you, so why change it ? Why did you host a family get together where your mom would be present ? There must be a reason. If you do hook back up, be prepared for your BPD to be exactly the same, but if you’re better at handling that sort of thing, there’s the difference... .

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