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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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Author Topic: The Yin and Yang of Life The Duality and The Dark Side of Hope  (Read 523 times)
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« on: December 05, 2015, 08:31:37 PM »

This is my problem. Simple to understand but difficult to know when it is happening to me. I hope this sentiment can help us all.

"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here." This is a good thing and it will help me permanently detach from my BPDex

www.psychologyoftheself.com/eforum/11_krett_01.php

In order to have all that is available in life we have to be alert to what John Irving, in The World According To Garp, famously referred to as the undertoad: the forces and things that can pull us down or hurt us. If we want to enjoy nature, we need to be aware of the wildness and predatory side of the forest or the ocean or the jungle or the empty lot on our block. If we are not tuned in to the dangers, they can take us down.

If we want to revel in the joy of relationships, romance and sexuality, we need to have our litmus paper handy so we can weed out the insincere or psychologically toxic people. Otherwise we might wind up with a nasty disease or be on the wrong side of someone's emotional shiv.

If we want to see the world, we need to know where not to go. Most of us will not do well if there is a war on or if a hurricane is predicted. We also have to make sure we take into account the health standards and problems of the places we are visiting. Maybe we ought not drink the water; maybe we need to get inoculated.

Our innocence must be swathed in understanding. Our enthusiasm must have peripheral vision.

This is all true in the wonderful realm of hope.

Hope is the magic ingredient which fuels our long distance run down the path of life. Without hope we would surely wither and give up long before our time. But what happens if we hope for things that can never be? That would be the yang to the yin of hope's positive energy. There is a dirty little secret few have dared to whisper about: the wrong kind of hope - what I think of as the dark side of hope - can stall us, leave us walking in endless, fruitless circles, and eat up our precious lives with repetitive disappointment. We can get stuck in an endless loop of hope for what is certain to elude us.

Why and how does this fundamental life-giving force get corrupted and become a vampire of our possibilities?

In my twenty-three years as a psychotherapist I have come to understand that some powerful forces which are unleashed in order to protect us when we are young, can turn on us as adults and transmute into obstacles to happiness and fulfillment. When a young child is faced with a bleak and deeply insufficient world - one where her mother or father (or both) are cruel or insensitive to her needs or just severely incompetent as parents - what is she to do? A child has to have certain basic emotional needs fulfilled in order to both survive and thrive. She needs to be loved and appreciated and to have at least one parent who is pretty consistently available to soothe and nurture her, to reflect a sense of joy at her existence. And she needs, in a profound and indisputable way, to receive empathy and compassion; kindness and interest. Sometimes, in truth more often than we really want to know, these elements of a healthy self are not available in the immediate environment of a baby or a toddler or a child across all cultural and socioeconomic strata.

So the question arises: What can a child do? Can a little boy go find another father if his father is distant or humiliating? Can he find another mother if his mother is narcissistically incapable of seeing what his true needs are? No. There is really only one successful strategy for the child to employ.

Hope.

On a deep internal level, one that does not rise to conscious awareness but one which affects how our little boy or girl behaves, he or she can hope against hope that their parents will become the loving, caring people they need them to be. In fact, this hope protects the child from the most dire psychological outcomes of despair which can be disabling depression and even severe and permanent mental illness.

Hope is the child's savior. And because it truly is, we can barely stand to think of hope in any negative light. Our minds want to turn away (perhaps from this page) and deny the duality of hope.

Fast forward to the future of this child's later life. She is now an adult looking for love. Will she get hooked into hoping that a manipulative and insensitive partner is going to change? There is a good chance that might happen. Because the kind of hope that saved her has become a habit of her mental construct. She reflexively re-ignites hope no matter how brutally her needs are rejected; no matter how consistently she fails to receive the respect and admiration and tenderness she deserves. She can continue to crank up hope... .sometimes forever. And thus, she is repeating her childhood. But this time hope is not her savior, it is the instrument of her demise. And in a cruel twist, her maintenance of this dark side of hope keeps her from investing hope in the people and places that would bring her joy.

Counter to almost everything we are taught to believe in and exalt, and with the massive added force of intolerance and resistance from our can-do culture, a dose of hopelessness - when the situation really cannot be improved under any realistic circumstances - is what is needed. But the majority of us would rather cut off a limb than embrace that much maligned sensibility. Our friends and our family and our movies and our literature and our politics and just about every aspect of our lives collude to keep us from letting hopelessness in.

We are scared silly that hopelessness will grab us around the ankles and pull us down into the swirling depths. Can it really be that we have to willingly open our door to a feeling we collectively deplore?

Yes. It is often the only way out. It is often the only way to get free of that friend of our childhood that grew up bad.

Most often a therapeutic guide is needed to help transform powerful underlying beliefs and to help sort through the automatic thinking that produces reflexive behavior. But we can change, that is our power. We can relearn old ingrained ways of being in the world and we can grow stronger by letting in feelings that were previously too dangerous. The process will unfold when there is now someone who really sees you and sees through the much practiced Kabuki of our self-image into our authentic self. To finally have that reflected back with compassion is a powerful source of growth and change. Hope, that true friend of a life that is full, will no longer be misdirecting us and sending us round in painful circles. It will become the infusion of true energy and possibility which we can ride on and trust to bring us into a future that is nourishing and satisfying and fulfilling.
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2015, 12:54:57 PM »

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And, it seems to me that many people in our culture who have the ability to keep their heads out of the sand and see the truth for what it is, are maligned. Well written and hopefully it doesn't end up proving that people's attention spans are getting too short to digest something of quality and length. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I had to look up 'kabuki', but other than that it was perfectly understandable.

I'm just about at this point in relationship to my friend wBPD. I understand that in many ways it's just not safe anymore. Willing to risk being friends; however anything more than that always ends up with me being viewed in a distorted, false light. It's such a drag.

Also, just connecting with my frined can be so difficult. This person just lacks an ability to be calm with any noise, stimulation, etc. going on. I have long been a friend with the kids too. One minute she is telling me that I do have the right to be an authority and discipline them if I have to. Then, if I end up raising my voice or anything like that, in the midst of the children acting out, I am treated like an abusive wretch.

It really is hopeless. And, mind-boggling when we realize that their is a dead-end to the street. How can this be? Well, you can keep going; but you have to go off road. Which is where I am at - in the brush. So, now I don't carry this person on my shoulders, like I used to. Because, if I do, I fall flat on my face over and over again. Why? Have I lost my balance? No; they just keep leaning way back and tipping me over backwards, while riding my shoulders. Then, when I fall down, they blame it all on me.

I digress.
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2015, 01:13:18 PM »

Yeah, I really found this article helpful.

I have thought of it like this: my parents were both neglectful. They were lots of good things, but their parenting skills were pretty poor. I mostly lived with my mom (until I was 12 and removed MYSELF from her home). I understand her a bit better now that I'm an adult. She's a brilliant, altruistic person, but she is not really capable of love or empathy. I didn't have the maturity to understand that when I was a kid, so I put a huge amt of mental/emotional energy into constructing an inner life for her that would let me feel loved and yet be consistent with my actual circumstances.

That was a necessary adaptation when I was little. But the fact that I kept up those other-empathizing/self-denying habits as an adult has been a problem for me.
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2015, 02:54:40 PM »

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And, it seems to me that many people in our culture who have the ability to keep their heads out of the sand and see the truth for what it is, are maligned. Well written and hopefully it doesn't end up proving that people's attention spans are getting too short to digest something of quality and length. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I had to look up 'kabuki', but other than that it was perfectly understandable.

I'm just about at this point in relationship to my friend wBPD. I understand that in many ways it's just not safe anymore. Willing to risk being friends; however anything more than that always ends up with me being viewed in a distorted, false light. It's such a drag.

Also, just connecting with my frined can be so difficult. This person just lacks an ability to be calm with any noise, stimulation, etc. going on. I have long been a friend with the kids too. One minute she is telling me that I do have the right to be an authority and discipline them if I have to. Then, if I end up raising my voice or anything like that, in the midst of the children acting out, I am treated like an abusive wretch.

It really is hopeless. And, mind-boggling when we realize that their is a dead-end to the street. How can this be? Well, you can keep going; but you have to go off road. Which is where I am at - in the brush. So, now I don't carry this person on my shoulders, like I used to. Because, if I do, I fall flat on my face over and over again. Why? Have I lost my balance? No; they just keep leaning way back and tipping me over backwards, while riding my shoulders. Then, when I fall down, they blame it all on me.

I digress.

Thank you for that. Like many of us (I assume), it feels good to be validated. I copied that article but it is just what I need to focus on. I too was close to my BPDex's kids; teenagers. They have a NPD mother and this BPD father. He had a 10 yr relationship with a Bipolar. I have my own alphabet soup as well (ADD and PTSD) but I need them to know that I value them and they are not discarded. See below:

"Hi Kids,

Please don't take my future 'radio silence' to mean I don't care about you! I am so happy to have met you both! You gave this old 'empty nester' a wonderful experience! The odds of meeting a man with wonderful teenage children is more rare than winning the lottery.

I enjoy all of your family members that I met! I love your dad very much and he loves me; however, the pieces of the puzzle don't quite fit. I cherish all of our good times and he is a wonderful man with many good qualities. Please continue to show him that he is worthy of love. He needs to be reminded often.

If I may preach for just a moment:

1. Do not be afraid to fail. This is how we learn. Take calculated risks. You both seem to already know this and I love that about you!

2. Be considerate of others, but to yourself ALWAYS be true.

3. Love others, always love yourselves more. If you don't, how can anyone else know how? Smiling (click to insert in post)

Finally, as I always told my sons:

4. Parents are people. Most of us don't know how to do life. We never really learned from our parents. You can learn from others' mistakes; you don't need to reinvent the wheel. Do the opposite of what is not healthy. Only YOU get to decide the type of adults that you want to be. Ask for help when you don't know what to do, and be willing to push your boundaries. Question everything.

Love,

Jane"

I vetted this through some level-headed friends and they approve. I will send this later today.
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You were the love of my life
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2015, 03:02:43 PM »

Do the opposite of what is not healthy

Jane, I had to read this a couple of times to get what you were saying.  Is there a better way to word it?
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2015, 03:05:47 PM »

Do the opposite of what is not healthy

Jane, I had to read this a couple of times to get what you were saying.  Is there a better way to word it?

I am very open to suggestions... .please!
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2015, 03:08:18 PM »

Yeah, I really found this article helpful.

I have thought of it like this: my parents were both neglectful. They were lots of good things, but their parenting skills were pretty poor. I mostly lived with my mom (until I was 12 and removed MYSELF from her home). I understand her a bit better now that I'm an adult. She's a brilliant, altruistic person, but she is not really capable of love or empathy. I didn't have the maturity to understand that when I was a kid, so I put a huge amt of mental/emotional energy into constructing an inner life for her that would let me feel loved and yet be consistent with my actual circumstances.

That was a necessary adaptation when I was little. But the fact that I kept up those other-empathizing/self-denying habits as an adult has been a problem for me.

I have not drifted to the boards where people have BPD parents. I know what I will find in my own mother. In time, with the T's help, I will pick at that again. I will work backwards for now; heal, reflect, find the origin. Speaking with my mom today, I heard it. I learned over the years how not to be hooked by her and I have done a great job protecting myself while communicating that I love her, even though she refuses to hear, see, or feel it. LOTS of growth opportunity for me! Smiling (click to insert in post)
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You were the love of my life
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2015, 03:15:03 PM »

Do the opposite of what is not healthy

Jane, I had to read this a couple of times to get what you were saying.  Is there a better way to word it?

Maybe Trust your instincts and ability to make healthy choices in life 

Even that can be misread though?
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2015, 06:45:19 PM »

I got very sweet feedback from his kids. I am trying very carefully not to be manipulative; this is harder than I thought. I am open to observations.

Kids:

Kid #1 -

":' so can we get an inspirational text like this every week?

We love you too! Sorry if we take a while to respond; the life of a high schooler is crazy! I hope you and dad are doing ok... .You both are really great for each other and our families get along really well and that's very rare (like you said). We do know that sometimes there are bumps in the road in relationships though and we hope you guys will be able to work it out Smiling (click to insert in post)."

Kid #2

"Love ya and miss ya! :D

We both love you too! Thank you for the time we were able to spend all together over turkey break"

Me:

"I would love to throw down inspirational jams weekly!
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