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« on: April 05, 2016, 11:11:31 PM »

Talked to my sponsor tonight, he says I need to open up to people about what I'm thinking and feeling, especially to my councelor.

A few minutes later I tell him my councelors favorite saying to me is "Jerry, I know you will be better when you stop talking about your exgf"

Yeah I open up to my councelor only to be shamed for obsessing because I've obsessed about her wellbeing for years and I cannot just snap my fingers and stop.

Question?

What would you do to get the bad memories of your exs out of your minds, hearts, thoughts?

What would you pay to stop the pain?

What would we do to stop others from suffering this same insanity?

What would we do to stop BPD from hurting innocent victims

What would we do to cure our exes?

I know in trying to help my exBPDgf I just about lost my soul, I think I have a right to heal without being judged by anyone who hasn't experienced what we all here have.

I have cried into wind for four years, no one heard my cries, now I find so many out there still not listening. The very people that we need to help us. Just because I'm NOT mentally ill like my ex I deserve less compassion than her?

No, I am experiencing full blown PTSD and no one is going to tell me I have not faced the very gates of hell in my relationship with BPD.
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2016, 11:36:25 PM »

Ok maybe I better tell the story.

So after my ex (wasn't my ex at the time) was rescued by me from huffing duster and drinking and who knows what else.

After I took her 60 miles to a mental hospital, she found a guy, (her mother discribed him as "it"

My ex text text text as I still was trying my best to help her, direct her into helping herself.

On one particularly bad night she called me late, maybe 10ish pm? Her friends had left her all alone in a bar, she had (believe it or not) pissed them off so they walked away.

As she called me that night I could hear the sound of loud music coming from the bar as she stood outside talking to me. I knew, I KNEW what was going to happen, attractive female left alone in a bar in downtown party hell. I begged her to call the cops or bus or anything to get a safe ride home.

She resisted my pleas for her to seek safety and her last comment was "holy men" then she hung up.

So I cringe knowing this cannot end well.

I went to sleep, about 3am she calls again, crying and saying she was raped at some guys house where her and a bunch of guys went after the bar closed.

My heart stopped, I was furious because I seen this coming, she asked me to make a report so I called the police and let it go.

To this day I never found out if any of this was true or if anything happened, no court no nothing.

Soo why would I be with her after she deliberately put herself in that situation after I told her to not go into a nasty bar alone and the her deciding to go to a house party with guys she's never met?

I lost so much sleep by that point I was in serious trouble trying to save her when she did everything to get herself hurt.

I remember giving up, the next day I gave my car to my daughter, all my cash and walked to our local ER, I told them I was going to kill myself and they escorted me to a mental hospital where I intended to live or hide as long as it took to get the hell away from my exBPD.

In all this I still took her back

Why in heavens name would any rational man look twice at such a train wreck as my ex?

This is yet a tiny taste of the poisen I ingested for her... .

Now tell me who's insane
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2016, 07:34:16 AM »

Jerry,

There comes a time when you have to draw a line.  Not a line in sand but a line in stone.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2016, 08:48:07 AM »

That is true C.Stein

After I text my son's grandmother giving her permission to give my number to my exgf, I'm having a great deal of anxiety and looking over my shoulder. Just thinking about any contact with her drudges  up these memory's (nightmares)

Am I supposed to feel guilty for wanting to run from the devil?

Is she ever going to change?

The things she did were pure evil, and I had nothing to do with her choices so why do I feel like I failed?

How can a person be so messed up then snap! They fool everyone into thinking they are normal?

Thank you C.Stein
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2016, 09:16:09 AM »

Going on 5 months nc, when I'm with my son or think about her I want run like the wind as far as I can go... .

She loves to hate and hurt others and I need not take that personally.

She's pissed that I dumped her and I'm going to have to deal with the "rath have no fury thing"

Oh well
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2016, 09:19:31 AM »

Talked to my sponsor tonight, he says I need to open up to people about what I'm thinking and feeling, especially to my councelor.

A few minutes later I tell him my councelors favorite saying to me is "Jerry, I know you will be better when you stop talking about your exgf"

Yeah I open up to my councelor only to be shamed for obsessing because I've obsessed about her wellbeing for years and I cannot just snap my fingers and stop.

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I have cried into wind for four years, no one heard my cries, now I find so many out there still not listening. The very people that we need to help us. Just because I'm NOT mentally ill like my ex I deserve less compassion than her?

If your counselor has had no personal dealings with any pwBPD he or she will not understand.

If anybody would tell you all this BPD crap and you had not lived through it, you wouldn't understand either.

Your counselor is right that if you are better you will not speak of your ex anymore. Like I wrote somewhere, as long as we are coming back to this board, we are not healed.

The reverse however is not true. If you stop speaking about your ex it doesn't mean you're better.

I'm convinced the basis for ANY healthy relationship is honest and open yet respectful communication. So what about you spoke to your counselor about how this remark is making you feel?

"Listen, I know people who have not been in a close relationship with a pwBPD cannot really understand how such a relationship turns your world completely upside down and inside out. And I don't hold that against you. And yes, when I am better I will no longer need to speak about my ex. But to be able to get better, I need to work through it and I need to speak about her, the relationship and it's effect on me. It would help me so much if you could be there for me in this. Would it be an idea if we read a book on BPD relationships together so I can learn about the process and why I got in and how to get out, and you get some background information on what relationships with pwBPD do to NONs?"

Just an scenario. Replace book with website or online article or whatever. Use your own words. Add more on how the remark makes you FEEL.

But unless you open up to your counselor your counseling is not going to go anywhere. You're going to get stuck in feeling shamed, not heard, abandoned by your counselor.

Abandoned. Again.

Try to get a bit further away from the details "she said and then I did, and then she" and more about the bigger picture and how it made you feel. "She cheated on me and I felt abandoned. Again."
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2016, 09:44:22 AM »

The things she did were pure evil, and I had nothing to do with her choices so why do I feel like I failed?

I think it is natural for anyone who has invested themselves into a failed relationship to feel this way.  It is even more likely if you are codependent/rescuer.  In some ways I feel I failed my ex, but in reality the only person I failed was myself and by extension her.

I understand the need to try and make sense of this all, however you will find some things don't make sense and they never will.  This is something you will eventually just have to accept and let go.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2016, 09:48:18 AM »

Thank you woundedbibi, I agree with you.

She works with pwBPD and empithises with them to the extent of shaming me for being upset about the way I was treated. T has stayed true to her comments about or r/s not being reciprocal and how I insist on seeing a kitten when T and others see a full grown tiger ready to destroy me. T explains how pwBPD have difficult if not impossible relationships and go from one to another.

She's consistent but I do need to heal, I'm willing to anything I can to help myself.

The anger is still there with my ex, I believe anger is a secondary emotion from pain, hurt, maybe fear?

I went NC and that cleared some fog, now I may have to communicate with "her" I'm building walls trying to block out her and the behaviours. Our son is suffering as well. This whole thing makes me sick for all of us involved.

My sponsor tells me I must learn to deal with her, easy for him or anyone outside a r/s with pwBPD to advise.

I had a thought a few days ago as to why I hung on to my ex so long, and the fact we have a child

Anyone remember the Disney movie Jungle Book?

The end of the movie where the bear grabs the tigers tale?

Yep you got it... .Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2016, 10:01:19 AM »

Thank you C

Exactly true, if I could understand I'm not sure I would be better off. I wasted a lot of time and energy trying to figure things out, codependency, fix them so they accept us? We are already acceptable and I would be far healthier if I put my energy into fixing my life.

Living with my ex was painful, my tolerance for painful behaviours is off the scale, it was all I knew so I allowed it. I don't like living in chaos and drama. I walk away, she likes her lifestyle that's her choice. Cut the cords that entangle me, and walk away.

Things are much clearer, old habits and unrealistic thinking are difficult to break free from, but not impossible.

Just recieved a text from someone who has known my ex for years, she said to not worry about the ex, only worry about my son. Lucky for my son I have superhuman defence mechanisms Laugh out loud (click to insert in post). I would have parished years and years ago.

I love you Jacob, daddy's never giving up on you or me,

one day we will both be free.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2016, 10:37:22 AM »

Things are much clearer, old habits and unrealistic thinking are difficult to break free from, but not impossible.

Good insight.  This is what you need to hold onto as you move forward.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2016, 11:12:51 AM »

Thank you woundedbibi, I agree with you.

She works with pwBPD and empithises with them to the extent of shaming me for being upset about the way I was treated. T has stayed true to her comments about or r/s not being reciprocal and how I insist on seeing a kitten when T and others see a full grown tiger ready to destroy me. T explains how pwBPD have difficult if not impossible relationships and go from one to another.

Ok, so you've got:

- a sponsor. I presume from the AA programme. He says you need to open up and talk. I think he's right.

- a counselor who works with pwBPD who you feel is shaming you for being upset.

- a therapist who seems to have knowledge of how challenging relationships with pwBPD are.

So. Questions:

> Why do you feel your counselor is shaming you for being upset?

If it is based on "when you're better you won't speak about your ex anymore", I don't see it.

1) it is true, if you're better there will be not need anymore to speak of her

2) she seems to react as most of my friends did that just don't get it: "He was a mean ass, he treated you badly, get over it already". These people are not trying to shame me. They just didn't know how to react when I needed to speak about my ex for the gazillionth time.

Has your counselor ever said to you you shouldn't be so upset? Or are you filling in this is what she's thinking? Have you ever told her you feel this is what she thinks? Have you ever told her you feel your feelings are being invalidated by her?

Communication Jerry! You're not a psychic, you don't know what she thinks. And she is not a clairvoyant, she cannot read your mind.

> Why do you have a counselor and a therapist?

> If you feel invalidated by your counselor why are you still there?

If you have opened up and really tried to communicate about how you feel and tried to check if what you think she thinks is actually true, and things do not improve, just leave.

It sort of reminds me of something... You're not happy but you're staying... .


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She's consistent but I do need to heal, I'm willing to anything I can to help myself.

Then I would say: start with communicating.

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The anger is still there with my ex, I believe anger is a secondary emotion from pain, hurt, maybe fear?

Makes sense. You need to discuss this with your T, find out which emotion is behind it for you. I think it differs per person.

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I went NC and that cleared some fog, now I may have to communicate with "her" I'm building walls trying to block out her and the behaviours. Our son is suffering as well. This whole thing makes me sick for all of us involved.

You have a son together. That is reality. So the chance you will have to communicate with her is a certainty. Blocking her out is not going to solve anything. Face reality: you have a son, she is mentally ill, you will have to communicate.

Knowing her behaviour, what can you do to protect your son and yourself from her behaviour? Make a plan. Very practical. Not about emotions. Ask others here that have succes stories how they did it. Agreements on parenting, on visitation, on schooling for later. Tips on how to deal with crazy behaviour from the other party. Tips on how not to get sucked in emotionally.

At the same time work on you.

Your wounds from the relationship.

Your wounds from before the relationship.

Ask your T how you can prevent having flashbacks to what happened between your ex and you. Or lessen them.

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My sponsor tells me I must learn to deal with her, easy for him or anyone outside a r/s with pwBPD to advise.

Yes, easy for him to say. But he is right. Your ex is your son's mother. That will never change. You will need to learn to deal with her. Or not and then things will get worse. Your choice.
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