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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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Kinglychee1928

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« on: April 29, 2016, 09:17:19 AM »

I have been fighting the urge to reach out and I have been doing ok so far. A few more days then I will make it into 2 months of NC.

However, I work with him and we are not even at a point where we can say good morning to each other. I am wondering have any of you tried to at least send an email to end things? Like I understand things didn't work out, but I would like to at least be civil at work and maintain a professional working relationship? I just don't know if i will make things worse by doing that or he might see that as an invitation. So I would like to hear if anyone have tried that route to end things... .

Also, I sincerely want to just help him as a friend, but I'm unsure if a pwBPD can ever handle a typical friendship without seeing my caring and support as affection in a romantic way. Right before I told him we need to just be acquaintances, he did want me to ask my T for references so he can start seeking therapy. I also found him a week long outpatient program that he is interested in at a mental health hospital. So I feel like I could ALMOST get him the help and then we had a bad conversation and he just stopped all contact.

He does have a female best friend (he used to sleep with), they are really close, they have pointless fights all the time and he claims that they no longer sleep together and the last time was like 10 years ago. So I just don't understand why he could have a friendship with that girl but not me? He did want me to be his friend during our last convo but I said no. I've tried it and it was another recycle. He went right back to treating me like I was his gf. So that didn't work.

Is there a way to still support the pwBPD and have a friendship without being recycle over and over again?
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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2016, 12:42:12 PM »

Hey Kingly, No, in my view, it's impossible in the context of BPD.  Suggest you let it go.  LJ
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2016, 01:07:45 PM »

I have been fighting the urge to reach out and I have been doing ok so far. A few more days then I will make it into 2 months of NC.

However, I work with him and we are not even at a point where we can say good morning to each other. I am wondering have any of you tried to at least send an email to end things? Like I understand things didn't work out, but I would like to at least be civil at work and maintain a professional working relationship? I just don't know if i will make things worse by doing that or he might see that as an invitation. So I would like to hear if anyone have tried that route to end things... .

Yes. Similar situation. Tried the email route. Failed. He took every word in a different way than I meant it. It enraged him so he enlisted his flying monkey fan base at work to make my life miserable.

There just is IMO no way to have a normal adult, things just didn't work out let's just be grown ups about this, conversation with a pwBPD.

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Also, I sincerely want to just help him as a friend, but I'm unsure if a pwBPD can ever handle a typical friendship without seeing my caring and support as affection in a romantic way. Right before I told him we need to just be acquaintances, he did want me to ask my T for references so he can start seeking therapy. I also found him a week long outpatient program that he is interested in at a mental health hospital. So I feel like I could ALMOST get him the help and then we had a bad conversation and he just stopped all contact.

No, not an option either. After any breakup being friends is hard. With pwBPD impossible. Even if all of the romantic feelings would be gone on both sides, the hurt feelings are not because they can pop up again for a pwBPD any second for whatever reason. Besides that it will always be an uneven friendship that will be about you being there for him, never the other way around. I also think you need to look at why you are still trying to get him help; why is he not getting himself help? He is an adult and knows how a phone works. Getting help only works if he wants it not if you want it for him.

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He does have a female best friend (he used to sleep with), they are really close, they have pointless fights all the time and he claims that they no longer sleep together and the last time was like 10 years ago. So I just don't understand why he could have a friendship with that girl but not me? He did want me to be his friend during our last convo but I said no. I've tried it and it was another recycle. He went right back to treating me like I was his gf. So that didn't work.

You already experience friendship isn't an option; it usually leads to an attempt to recycle as you can read from other threads. I wouldn't believe his claims about his friendship with this other girl but you're not clear either; you're jealous they are friends and you are not but at the same time you don't want to be friends. Or is it that you do want to be just friends and don't want the recycle bit? There is a difference for him I think between relationships and casual sex. With you it was a relationship so he will always try to recycle you. And as I said being friends with him will always be limited; whenever you need support on something you will need to go seek support from someone else, not him.

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Is there a way to still support the pwBPD and have a friendship without being recycle over and over again?

No.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2016, 11:01:27 AM »

Thank you so much Lucky Jim and WoundedBib. I figured it's not a good idea that's why I chose to post it on here first before I just go ahead and send him an email. I have the same uncertainty about his friendship with his "female best friend" that they are just friends. But of course I chose to trust him in the past as I was told a million times by him that I have trust issues. I will continue to maintain no contact. 2 more days and I will make it into 2 months. It's unfortunate that we can't even be civil at work and say hello and goodbye, I don't even want to try coz he might just see that as an invite.

I pray that he will never reach out ever again.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2016, 12:32:19 PM »

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Is there a way to still support the pwBPD and have a friendship without being recycle over and over again?

"No."


Can i ask why the answer is just "NO!"

i mean . . what if there are kids involved?

you cant just go NC if you are co parenting with a BPDish ...  person

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2016, 01:53:20 PM »

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Is there a way to still support the pwBPD and have a friendship without being recycle over and over again?

"No."


Can i ask why the answer is just "NO!"

i mean . . what if there are kids involved?

you cant just go NC if you are co parenting with a BPDish ...  person

The question wasn't about co-parenting. The question was "can you support the pwBPD and be friends without the risk of being recycled?". To which the answer is "no". 99% of all of the people that post here have been recycled at some point. So contact with the pwBPD will in almost all cases lead to a recycle. The other percentage have tried a friendship and have found it is not a real friendship as the NON needs to always be there for the pwBPD but the pwBPD is never there for the NON. Same as in the relationship minus the physical part. Still rocky, still accussatios of all kinds, still emotionally draining.

Now about co-parenting. No in cases of co-parenting you cannot go NC. But you also do not have to be friends or support each other. You need to make arrangements about the children and make sure the children are in a safe environment when they are with the pwBPD. Most people go LC for co-parenting and just speak very briefly about the children so they don't get emotionally sucked in.

People that do not have a mentally ill ex and separate or divorce most often do not stay friends either or feel the need to support the ex. Why would you?
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2016, 02:41:17 PM »

People that do not have a mentally ill ex and separate or divorce most often do not stay friends either or feel the need to support the ex. Why would you?

well . . .i guess i´m not like most people...

the "friendship" may not last.

so be it...

And i am not here to support her like i´ve done so far.

and what does it mean this recycle game . . . trying again?

is she recycling me or am i recycling her ?

in either case . . i don´t see it happening...
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2016, 02:53:28 PM »

People that do not have a mentally ill ex and separate or divorce most often do not stay friends either or feel the need to support the ex. Why would you?

well . . .i guess i´m not like most people...

the "friendship" may not last.

so be it...

And i am not here to support her like i´ve done so far.

and what does it mean this recycle game . . . trying again?

is she recycling me or am i recycling her ?

in either case . . i don´t see it happening...

A recycle means trying again. Usually it's the pwBPD that starts the recycle. It doesn't work with the replacement, they contact you, how much they love you, it was all a mistake, can we try again. Sometimes less literal but the effect is the same. How wonderful you are.

It can be the NON that seeks out the recycle because they cannot let go (yet) due to memories, love, co-dependency, traumabonding, wanting to make the marriage work. Take your pick.

You might not see it happening but read the board. Almost every thread mentions recycles. It goes hand in hand with BPD relationships.
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