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« on: February 25, 2025, 03:56:59 PM »

It's been 2 months now since our breakup, and thank goodness for this support group. Although I still think about her I realize now who she is with the help of this site and my therapist.

Let me touch on my relationship. It was long distance. Nearly 1.5 hrs apart.  Red flag/bad  (click to insert in post) The first day I went to visit her she was still in a relationship, but was on the verge of a breakup. We enjoyed Lunch, shopping, being poolside, dinner and eventually spending some alone time getting to know one another. She made me well aware she was still with her bf, but really enjoyed my friendship. That same evening we made out, said she will just end up hurting me and even told me she'd have sex with me. Red flag/bad  (click to insert in post) Her BF dumped her a week later, never telling him what her and I did, he just said she needs to work on herself. There I was on the evening she broke up, calling me crying and of course I consoled her for hours on the phone like any normal person who has feelings.

Fast fwd through some dating and month later we are in a relationship. Red flag/bad  (click to insert in post) All through our r/s she continued to talk to her ex through text, eventually finding out about phone calls and evening cheating on me 1 time that I'm aware of. A few more months of her secrecy and hiding her communication with her ex, even though she promised it would stop, block him, not talk to him, etc... But it never stopped. Finding notes comparing me to him, lying about everything that I questioned her about, even from a gift he gave her to hiding me from her own parents. One morning he even called and I asked why are you calling my gf. His response, "She never told me she was dating anyone." Mind you that was 3 months into our r/s. We argued then the devaluing began.

I asked her would you ever told me about your communication with him if I didn't find out?
Her response: No, because he doesn't mean anything to me.

Why can't you respect my boundaries and our r/s and stop talking to him?
Her response: I don't want to hurt his feelings, he's still a human being and I can tell he is getting better.

She wrote down the saying "why can't I have my cake and eat it, too?" I asked her about this, but never got a response.

So here comes a special occasion around the holidays. We argue again about her talking to her ex and I find a statement she wrote just 2 months prior about leaving me and seriously considering getting back with her ex.

The morning after that I asked her how can you write something like, after 8 months of being with me? She just starred at me and said I didn't act on it's, I should've thrown it out. We argued and just like that I was discarded. She said she needed space and time to work on herself. Told me she lost herself during our r/s.

A few weeks of vague communication from me was ignored or minimally responded to, then I asked for closure. It was terrifying to hear her voice, she sounded like someone I never knew. A day or 2 after my discard, there she is in photos with her Ex. The biggest smile I've ever seen and here I am now realizing I fell in Love with a facade. It's no wonder she told me not to buy her things. And I understand now everything she did with me was a mirrored experience she shared with her Ex.

A few of the promenant traits I noticed:
- Extremely messy apartment.
- Could never make decisions.
- Poor personal Hygiene.
- Superiority complex.
- Trouble with intimacy.
- Constant gaslighting.
- Sleeping with stuffed animals.
- Did not want to talk about her emotions.
- 2 am workweek bedtimes, after getting off the phone around 1030pm.
- Falling asleep on the phone during our evening calls.

I can go on and on...

This was by far the most heartbreaking r/s I've ever experienced. Months and months of lies, manipulation and cheating, but why does my rumination continue? I've come to terms knowing that I fell in Love with some girl who never existed...
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2025, 07:57:01 PM »

Months and months of lies, manipulation and cheating, but why does my rumination continue?

Hello and welcome to the family, I'm so sorry you had to learn about BPD under these circumstances.  Many of us have been there and it is absolutely no fun. 

Moving on is so hard because our brains want to make sense out of something that doesn't make any sense at all- how could she betray you?  The simple answer is that she's mentally ill and makes impulsive decisions.  That's why she cheated on her boyfriend with you, and why she cheated on you with him...and why she's probably cheated on others in the past as well.  It all comes down to mental illness and needing something to fill the void.

BPDs are highly emotional and can easily get swept up in the moment when things feel right.  You must understand that in her mind, this wasn't about you at all...it was about mental illness and making poor decisions.  You can't beat yourself up over that.  She probably did care about you but at the same time, she was mentally struggling and it compromised her values.  Honestly, she might not even see it as cheating...even though it clearly was.

Again, that's mental illness.  I keep saying that because it explains everything.  She made bad decisions because she's sick and couldn't help herself.

I'm so sorry you're in this place right now, but you must forgive yourself since this wasn't your fault.

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2025, 08:14:02 PM »

Thank you for your response. I've gathered a lot of knowledge about this disorder, along with healthy coping mechanisms from this website and my therapist.

Update - It's been over a month of no contact now. She has not reached out, nor do I plan to. I feel like the wound is healing and one healthy way I've been coping is that when this all happened I made a list of her lies and odd responses she had during some of our conversations. There are very few days where I catch myself ruminating, but when I do, I just re-read those heartless actions by her and do some healthy self talk. Seeing as the fog has lifted, and me getting back to who I was, it soothes my mind knowing that any person who truly says they Love You would never do those things to their significant other. She did those things by making a conscious decision to hurt me and betray our r/s and that is something she will have to live with, not me.

One thing I always draw upon is when we were 4 months into our r/s I went to see her after finding out she was texting and on the phone with her ex for many days although she probably minimized the amount of times, I cried next to her and she just sat there and starred at me with no emotion or no intention of offering any kind of comfort. I knew then something was really wrong with her.

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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2025, 09:03:34 AM »

I've come to terms knowing that I fell in Love with some girl who never existed...

she existed.

one of the reasons youre hurting is because she, and the relationship, werent what you hoped they would be. and the reality of that, and the loss of it, hurts.

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your narrative of how this relationship played out, and what it means, is likely to change and evolve over time. keep that in mind as you heal.

one of the lessons that my own relationships have taught me, repeatedly, is the risk of pursuing someone who hasnt resolved (grieved and moved on from) a previous romantic relationship. i am not a big fan of "learning to spot red flags" as an approach to healthy dating, but there are innumerable reasons why its a recipe for heartache.

someone in that position doesnt usually mean any harm, but they can, and often do, cause a great deal of it.

they may be using a new relationship to heal from the last. that can facilitate a powerful bond and attraction initially, for both parties.

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There I was on the evening she broke up, calling me crying and of course I consoled her for hours on the phone like any normal person who has feelings.

but after that initial honeymoon phase, when the relationship starts to stand on its own, it tends to crumble.

moreover, a person who hasnt fully grieved a previous relationship is emotionally unavailable - that is to say, generally too involved in their own feelings to have room for the feelings of others. thats not necessarily wrong in and of itself, we all have periods like that in our lives, but it can mean that they arent good "dating material".

i think that it would be a mistake to look at how this transpired in a one sided way, one where your intentions and motivations were wholly pure, and that hers were all lies and fake. you wont learn very much from that, and its not why youre hurting.

and let me be clear: you have enough to know that she was/is a deeply immature person, who did very hurtful, and very selfish things. your anger at that is valid. she conducted herself with poor character, and youre right: thats on her.

but if you want to heal, and learn the lessons to take into future relationships, you cant stop there. you, i, we all, tend to have to face some of the more emotionally difficult aspects, about us, if we want to learn from them, and, rather than repeat mistakes, go on to healthier and more satisfying relationships.

you pursued her, went on dates with her, and then made out with her, knowing that she was in a relationship. you justified it, as people are prone to do, because you believed her relationship was on the verge of breaking up. you were there to console her and court her when it did.

as i touched on, that sort of dynamic can make for a powerful draw, for someone in your position. it probably felt good to know that in some way, you were saving her from this bad relationship. it was probably deeply validating that she chose you. and im assuming that she said lots of things that showed gratitude, and made you feel special.

the loss of that is why youre hurting.

because her returning to the previous relationship has shattered the illusion of that initial bond that you both built together.

that bond was real, by the way, it was just not built to last.

and so, yes, i think its important to look at this relationship with eyes wide open. she was dishonest. she acted in poor, and selfish character. all good things to remind yourself of, and all good reasons not to be in a relationship with her. dont lose sight of that.

but neither do i think that it will help to devalue her or the relationship. the relationship had "not built to last" written all over it. you tried to hold onto and control the outcome in spite of that, and despite all evidence, because you were deeply invested, and believe me when i tell you i know how much it hurts when that doesnt pan out the way weve hoped, and invested in.

the lessons you take into future relationships wont come from her, or from learning about bpd, but about yourself and your own tendencies in relationships of all kinds. unfortunately, that tends to involve a lot of trial and error, a lot of failure (every relationship any of us will ever be in will fail except the very last), and a lot of heartache.

fortunately, though, not only can we heal completely, we can learn, we can grow stronger, more resilient, more loving, and more successful in love, if we dig for it.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2025, 12:53:55 PM »

Thank you for your response. I've gathered a lot of knowledge about this disorder, along with healthy coping mechanisms from this website and my therapist.

Update - It's been over a month of no contact now. She has not reached out, nor do I plan to. I feel like the wound is healing and one healthy way I've been coping is that when this all happened I made a list of her lies and odd responses she had during some of our conversations. There are very few days where I catch myself ruminating, but when I do, I just re-read those heartless actions by her and do some healthy self talk. Seeing as the fog has lifted, and me getting back to who I was, it soothes my mind knowing that any person who truly says they Love You would never do those things to their significant other. She did those things by making a conscious decision to hurt me and betray our r/s and that is something she will have to live with, not me.

One thing I always draw upon is when we were 4 months into our r/s I went to see her after finding out she was texting and on the phone with her ex for many days although she probably minimized the amount of times, I cried next to her and she just sat there and starred at me with no emotion or no intention of offering any kind of comfort. I knew then something was really wrong with her.



I know this is hard, but you will survive. The part that sucks is that yes it does take time to heal.

However, there is something I want you to be cautious about. "I cried next to her and she just sat there and starred at me with no emotion or no intention of offering any kind of comfort. I knew then something was really wrong with her." - This part here is not necessarily a symptom of anything. I know this will be hard to hear but that could also be a sign of someone who is just done and doesn't want to show emotion because they are protecting themselves.

Part of it is that your feelings are your own and you are responsible for your own feelings. It is no one else's responsibility to help make you feel better or to lighten your burden. Sure you want someone to make you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact that you have to process and deal with your own emotions.

I say this because your example it makes it easy to jump to conclusions, but behavior is a bit more complex than that and just because someone acts cold in an instant does not mean there is a mental illness or disorder in the mix. Instead of looking at it as there is or there was something wrong with her look at it as she was just done with you no matter how much it hurts.

Respond to that with the mentality that is not how you want to be treated and remind yourself that want and feel you deserve better than that.

Please be kind to you and take care of yourself. We are here for you my friend...you will get better and be better.

Cheers and Best Wishes!

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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2025, 07:47:05 PM »

Thank you SC for taking that generous amount of time and responding to my post.

I see your point of view and yes, I agree. I have been looking at the relationship for one sided since the discard. I'm just baffled how my ex could tell me she can't see a life without me in it and then completely change into another person the day after she left me.

I'm not built like that. There was an age gap, so our maturity levels of expectations of s relationship are much different. That is a conversation we had in the beginning and she agreed to "chose me" and not him, as she reminded me so often. I got the sense of hope her feelings were genuine. However, when someone displays traits of deliberate dishonesty and gas lighting for months on end, I wish she would've stopped coming back to me and just let the relationship dissolve much earlier on.

I know I was just s rebound and her intentions during our r/s were more about herself. She was clearly emotionally unavailable, but that is no excuse to carry on such selfish behavior.

I say that she never existed because in reality all she did was lie to me from the beginning and all throughout our r/s. I even noticed her mirroring my behavior and trying to incorporate similar experiences she had with her Ex that she once told me about. So I believe I'm valid in saying that I did not know who she is genuinely. I experienced the portrayal of they perfect girlfriend, but she was living a facade and once I saw through the mask she started to devalue me and grew distant.

In that moment in time of crying by her side, letting all my walls down, and her just looking at me as inferior, I knew her feelings were gone for me and she was already onto pursuing another man.

So I do appreciate your comments and will reflect on your narrative, but I will be fine as time heals all. One thing I will always remember is that you never do those things to someone you say "I Love You" too and she intentionally hurt me, and my heart/mind will not offer forgiveness for someone who consciously chooses hurting there boyfriend instead of considering and respecting his feelings. At this time she is not someone capable of understanding what Love truly.

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