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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: February 14, 2017, 10:41:03 AM »

Hello,

Personally, I was single all my life until I met him at 23. I never dated, so it never really bothered me that I was always single. I saw it for loving everyone in my life and would usually do something for my family. Like a card and a heart sucker with a personal message just to show them that I care.

This year, however, it's over four months since my husband left me, two days since he said he wanted a divorce and one month before our eight year anniversary. During that time he missed our son's birthday and Christmas as well.

... .My heart is breaking.

I'm up and down with being ok and being depressed, trying to keep it together for my son and not doing the best job. I don't have any experience with this and even though it's been so awful, I truly thought that somewhere down the line we would be able to work it out. I love him and I don't want to let it all go. I haven't told my sisters yet partly for that reason. Saying it out loud makes it true, and yet, I know it's true.

The worst part is he's acting like everything is fine. Trying to joke with me and encourage me(which he rarely did before). He's also supposed to be here for a quick visit with our son and to get the rest of his stuff in just a week or so and just thinking about it makes me cry. This just sucks. It's not fair and I don't want this.

I'm trying to look at the positives, however few there may be and not focus on the negative. I don't have anyone to lean on because the people closest to me are my brother and mom. My mom just keeps going on and on about how I shouldn't worry, I'm better off, he doesn't deserve me, he's stupid, he'll come around, he's just saying that now, blah blah blah. Not helping. My brother doesn't know what to say of course and I just feel really alone.

No one has to read this or reply. I just... .I don't know, I'm sad.

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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2017, 11:28:40 AM »

 

I know you said that nobody needs to read or reply. I wanted to reply because I can relate to your situation.

I don't have any answers. I am in the same boat. Ex moved out almost a year ago (beginning of March last year). We are done but there are still a lot of loose ends. My mom keeps telling me that maybe there is hope for him and that maybe he will get better once he gets his own apartment. I am adamant about being done yet she keeps saying things that have me doubting myself. She tells me, "Maybe he will ask you out on a date or something." WHAT? I don't want to go out on a date with him. At other times, she will go on about how bad he has gotten. Then, there are times that she will ask me to explain his behavior like I am somehow responsible for him and can give her answers. It is all yucky.

Like your ex, he acts like nothing happened most of the time. He wants to be chummy and friendly and I have a difficult time being around him because it is like a big fat exclamation mark on what all has transpired between us.

I wanted to offer you some virtual hugs! 
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2017, 01:41:48 PM »

Vortex of confusion,

Thanks.  Smiling (click to insert in post)

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I am adamant about being done yet she keeps saying things that have me doubting myself.

So strange, my mom does the same. She'll go from bashing him to talking him up to asking me questions only he can answer and I'm like GEEZ! I'm barely functioning as it is, leave me alone. Where's the support? I forgot, I can give it but rarely receive it.

That's the worst part though, because of it I keep doubting myself, even though I know he sounded different and he's done. It's what he's wanted for a long time but would never make up his mind. That's what is so frustrating and confusing to me is that HE'S the one who wanted a family right away and to get married so quick and then he basically bails while I have to hold it all together and try to make something better out of it. I'm angry, disappointed, sad.

It's surreal, the whole thing. After he told me I choked up and had to write that I couldn't talk anymore. I didn't want him to hear me cry and the last thing I heard him say was that he'll never be able to forgive himself. I was so angry and so defeated hearing that. It meant he was committed to his decision and was STILL thinking about himself more than his own son or me. I mean, he was abused and then abandoned himself at nine. WHY would he do that to his own son knowing how it feels first hand? I don't get it. I don't get any of it.

Thanks again for the virtual hugs and here are some for you as well as you go through your own turmoil. 

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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 03:28:22 PM »

So strange, my mom does the same. She'll go from bashing him to talking him up to asking me questions only he can answer and I'm like GEEZ! I'm barely functioning as it is, leave me alone. Where's the support? I forgot, I can give it but rarely receive it.

When talking to your mom about this stuff, do you ever find yourself thinking, "Wow, no wonder I got involved with ex. His circular talk and weirdness reminds me a lot of you." I have had that thought on more than one occasion.

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That's what is so frustrating and confusing to me is that HE'S the one who wanted a family right away and to get married so quick and then he basically bails while I have to hold it all together and try to make something better out of it. I'm angry, disappointed, sad.

It is so many feelings all rolled into one big ball. We were on the same page with timing. I had a lot of doubts about having our last two kids. He assured me that everything would be fine and that he would help and blah, blah, blah. But, he bailed way before I kicked him out and now I am picking up the pieces. It is so frustrating and overwhelming at times. I try to move on but there are still so many loose ends that need tied up.

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I didn't want him to hear me cry and the last thing I heard him say was that he'll never be able to forgive himself. I was so angry and so defeated hearing that. It meant he was committed to his decision and was STILL thinking about himself more than his own son or me. I mean, he was abused and then abandoned himself at nine. WHY would he do that to his own son knowing how it feels first hand? I don't get it. I don't get any of it.

He is unable to empathize with you or your son. I get really mad for the same reasons. It is one thing for him to do this stuff to me. It is a completely different story with the kids. I have asked him how he would feel if his parent did x, y, or z. He says he would feel bad or hurt or messed up. I tell him, "Well, that is how the kids feel but probably a lot worse." It doesn't help because he seems to lack the ability to put himself in anybody else's shoes.

I don't know how many times I have tried to share my pain and hurt with ex only to have him say similar stuff. Um, okay, but what about me? He may not be able to forgive himself. How does that help me with the kids? How does that help me pay the bills or do any of the practical stuff that needs to be done? It doesn't. I think it is ex's attempt to acknowledge that he messed up and express regret. It is way too little way too late. Now, when he says stuff like that, I just get infuriated. I also try to remind myself that ex probably can't handle accepting what he has done. If he really, truly understood what he has done, I don't think he would be able to live with himself. As a result, he can only acknowledge it in small doses. There is a huge disconnect for him.

Things that seem obvious to you or me or even somebody else are not obvious to him and there is no way to explain it in such a way that he will understand it enough to do something about it.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2017, 07:44:48 AM »

Hello vortex of confusion,   (Sorry such a late reply!)

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When talking to your mom about this stuff, do you ever find yourself thinking, "Wow, no wonder I got involved with ex. His circular talk and weirdness reminds me a lot of you."

Funny thing is, both my parents are like that. Depending on how they feel at the moment or their own narrow opinion of things is what they say. My mom acts like she's too old to have to have a filter anymore and my dad said he's been through so much and all that nobody can tell him what to do... .yeah. I've gotten to watch my mom change over the years with him though, and not for the better. Believe me, the similarities between my parents and him have creeped me out at times. His views are wildly different, but actions are about the same. Even though I've suffered a lot, I've definitely learned a lot.

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It is so frustrating and overwhelming at times. I try to move on but there are still so many loose ends that need tied up.

Yes, I feel the same and when you're constantly getting asked if you're ok, knowing you're not, doesn't help. I tried talking to my son about it again yesterday because he was crying a little and mainly just down asking for his dad. He'll do this randomly. He wouldn't accept that daddy isn't going to live with us and decided to stick to his previous saying of "daddy's gone for work but daddy's coming home!" My heart is breaking for him more than myself. It's so not freaking fair, after all he's already been through to abandon him too? It ticks me off and gets me crying every time I think about it.

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If he really, truly understood what he has done, I don't think he would be able to live with himself. As a result, he can only acknowledge it in small doses. There is a huge disconnect for him.

This is my dad to a T. He's made up his own version of our history where he was a great dad and great husband and that's what he believes to be reality. You literally can't say anything to him about the past unless it was a good time because he doesn't remember. He's shoved it so far back it's like another reality to him now.

My hus... well ex is different. He lives with the guilt everyday but distracts himself with games and the like so he doesn't have to think about it. Only when he's confronted with issues with our son or some legal stuff or when he's feeling bad, trying to sleep, does it come to the surface. He gets extremely depressed because he can't deal with it and then moves on to the next distraction repeating himself over and over because he won't deal with it. I think that's why he wants a divorce, so he doesn't have to look at me and my son everyday knowing what all he's done to us. He's said as much to be honest.

He's said he was done before, even though I knew this time was different so I asked to talk to him and he would only tex me. I still asked if he was sure this was what he wanted and he said yeah, he'd rather be on his own. He's tired of playing games with me and messing with my head. Like I said, it's not like I didn't know he was leaning out the door the past few years, I just figured at some point he'd realize that what he had in the door was better than out. I didn't want to let go. To be completely honest, I still don't.

At least, for whatever dumb or crazy reason, (which he hasn't been honest with me about, after a while you know when someone close to you is lying) he did say that for sure he's done so I can at least thank him (not literally) for that. It will help me to let go of it all, knowing there's no chance whatsoever. I know it sounds crazy to even consider for other people, but when you love someone you don't just give up because it's extremely freaking difficult. You let go when the other is running away for your own sanity.

I'm still crying and feeling devastated and overwhelmed here and there, but overall I'm doing better now. I couldn't come back to the thread before, it was just too painful to admit my reality. Thanks again for replying. 

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