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« on: April 15, 2018, 02:50:34 PM »

Hello all. Im new to the community and hoping to find that I’m not alone with my experiences. I’ve been with my fiancée for 4 years now. We have started a family and in doing so I’ve had to make some changes in my life that have allowed me to become clear minded and focus on the issues affecting our relationship. I’m a health care provider and while speaking to a colleague about a recent conflict involving a complete overreaction from my partner, she asked me: ‘does he have a personality disorder?’. And it got me thinking. I began to research. And while I knew he had narcissistic tendencies, I couldn’t place the other symptoms I was observing. Then I found the DSM definition and criteria for BPD and he fits at least 6 out of the 9 criteria. It was like a light bulb finally went off that could explain the roller coaster relationship I’ve been apart of that I always described as Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde. While I’m not perfect in any sense and needed to work on some of my own shortcomings, I by no means was ‘crazy’ or a ‘wing nut’ like he seemed to imply every time we fought about something. It’s been a rough go. And the beginning of the relationship was very confusing for me as I was blamed for almost everything that was wrong with it. We both engaged in risky behaviour, mostly drinking and partying, so that my mind was foggy and I had a hard time defending or making sense of the wild accusations and anger he seemed to project towards me always. When I became pregnant with our first child my mind was clear from the party lifestyle and I began to see life from an outsiders point of view so to speak. And things started to become clearer. I knew what I needed to work on, but I also started seeing the irrational thoughts and actions of my partner. I’ve almost made complete peace with myself but I’m still unnerved at the accusations and implied intentions he believes of me at times. When I go from the most beautiful amazing person he’s ever seen to an evil malicious woman that is just out to get him. I recognized the emotional and verbal abuse in the beginning and slowly was able to piece the puzzle together and understand it’s not deserved or my fault. But the difficulty remains when I know he’s wrong when he’s accusing me of certain things or becoming enraged irrationally which usually ends in the silent treatment-sometimes for days. I know it’s not healthy for our daughter and I hope in time I’m able to instill strong coping mechanisms and understanding for her so she doesn’t feel the way I do. I guess what I’m hoping for is to understand that I’m not alone in all this. Even though he hasn’t had a diagnosis by a physician or other health professional, I need to know  what I’m experiencing is exactly what BPD is. I’m fortunate that he’s accepted to see his family physician to perhaps start medication but is resisting therapy. Fingers crossed he keeps the appointment. Well, that’s my story. Thank you for listening and I appreciate any support that can be given. I refuse to give up on him. I know there’s so much good in there.
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2018, 03:28:51 PM »

Hi PursueHappiness,

Welcome to the BPD family. What you have been going through the past few years, and now with kids added to the mix, sounds really tough. The roller coaster is so exhausting and confusing. You are not alone. I think you will find a lot of stories on this board that are really similar to yours. There is a lot of insight floating around for how to understand better and to respond better to the difficult behaviors of your partner.

I am also new here. I am also just figuring things out. Some things that have helped me are the tools on this site. In the book section, I found "Stop walking on eggshells" (SWOE) really helpful.

You expressed the need to know if what you are going through is exactly what BPD is. That makes a lot of sense. Having a partner who plays Jekyll and Hyde is so confusing and distressing that just having a name for it can provide some peace. At the same time, no-one here can diagnose BPD; that is hard enough for a psychiatrist. I don't know if my partner has a BPD diagnosis or not, but I know that she displays lots of behaviors that are consistent with BPD. It sounds like you already see that in your partner, too. That is really all I needed to know. If your partner chooses to follow up with medical treatment and therapy that is up to him. Of course you can be supportive, but you can't make him change. It is really up to him.

The thing that you can control is you. I found a lot of the ideas in SWOE really helpful for identifying how what I do feeds into my partner's behavior and what I can do better in our relationship. I can't claim that I have made the bad behaviors go away -- if anything I am in the middle of what folks around here would call an extinction burst, things getting worse before they (hopefully... .we'll see) get better. But I can tell you an instant transformation: I felt like I had some control in my life again. I can do the right thing and know that how my partner wants to take it is not up to me. That has been really liberating for me. For example, in the tools section there is a page on being validating. I found it to have some terrific insights.

Do you have any ideas about how folks here could help you? Maybe you could describe any primary or recent points of conflict?

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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2018, 05:53:46 PM »

Hi PursueHappiness and welcome to the board.  You are not alone.  The other good news is that you have found the best place to work on this and where a lot of people can understand and help you as you learn to navigate your way through your relationship.  We get it here.

I want to guide you to the articles that run along the right side of this page.  They include basic tools and lessons that can help you understand the disorder and how to protect yourself and in turn help you educate your daughter.  Understanding the behaviors you are dealing can help depersonalize them which in turn will help you focus on responding rather than reacting.

Glad you found us. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2018, 06:26:03 PM »

Thank you so much for your replies. It’s very comforting to have others understand what the situation may be like. I’ve certainly looked into the book ‘Walking on Eggshells’ it’s actually what lead me to this community. I’m certainly hoping to find some tools and ways that I can stop taking the things he says about me and to me so personally so I can move forward instead of trying to gain recognition and apologies from him. Sometimes he truly does not understand his behaviour is unacceptable and inappropriate.
I almost feel silly explaining our recent conflict. Basically I accidentally broke the faucet in our kitchen. The same day I needed to use the ATV to plow the driveway as he was awAy at work and could not do it himself. The ATV winch cable broke as well. I told him as soon as I could about what had happened and while he didn’t seem phased by it at the time his attitude towards me slowly declined throughout the week. He was treating me very poorly being extremely condescending, snappy and rude. So much so I finally confronted him about what his issue was and why he was treating me that way that he exploded and expressed his frustration at the things I had broken. Told me I was being wreckless and when I tried defending myself telling him they were accidents he repeatedly told me that I was crazy calling me a wing nut and other profanities I’d rather not mention. It hurt me so much that he couldn’t understand how much of a nonissue it all was. They were accidents, I said sorry and asked him for his help to fix it. And it ended in us not talking for almost a week. Until he came home after work the other day  and acted like everything was back to normal. Still haven’t gotten an apology from him, not really sure I’m going to. I’m just hoping to find ways that others have coped in these scenarios and find ways not to take things so personally. I’m still looking for an apology because it still stings he accused me of being reckless and having some malicious motive. It’s so silly and ridiculous something so simple has lead to this. I should be able to ask for help and not be ridiculed and have it shoved in my face. I hope I’m not ranting. I’m trying very hard to move past it. I appreciate all the directions I’ve been given towards tools and resources. I will 100% be reviewing and hopefully implementing some changes in the way I respond to my fiancé.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2018, 09:55:01 AM »

Thank you so much for your replies. It’s very comforting to have others understand what the situation may be like. I’ve certainly looked into the book ‘Walking on Eggshells’ it’s actually what lead me to this community. I’m certainly hoping to find some tools and ways that I can stop taking the things he says about me and to me so personally so I can move forward instead of trying to gain recognition and apologies from him. Sometimes he truly does not understand his behaviour is unacceptable and inappropriate.

It is great that you have SWOE already. And I bet you are right that he doesn't understand. My partner sure doesn't. The next biggest thing I found was the lecture by Fruzzetti about validation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDSIYTQX_dk

You can't see the slides, but you'll still get the picture )

I almost feel silly explaining our recent conflict.


You and me, both! I am in the middle of a relationship meltdown because of the way that I asked her to go on a bike ride with me and that I had dinner ready when I said I would and not late like she expected when she was out with her friend and said she didn't know if she would be home for dinner or not. I mean... .I don't know. We can feel silly together, I guess.

Basically I accidentally broke the faucet in our kitchen. The same day I needed to use the ATV to plow the driveway ... .<snip> He was treating me very poorly being extremely condescending, snappy and rude.

That really hurts, doesn't it? I tend to take that kind of stuff so personally. I don't know if you are like me, but I always want to do a good job and I want other folks to see that I am at least trying to do a good job. So I am pretty sensitive to these kind of criticisms, especially when they come in an unfair, hurtful way. I do wonder, were there other things going on in his life at the time that might have set him up to get triggered? Anything from being hungry, angry (about something else), lonely, or tired (HALT) to other things going on earlier that day?

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So much so I finally confronted him about what his issue was and why he was treating me that way that he exploded and expressed his frustration at the things I had broken. Told me I was being wreckless and when I tried defending myself telling him they were accidents he repeatedly told me that I was crazy calling me a wing nut and other profanities I’d rather not mention. It hurt me so much that he couldn’t understand how much of a nonissue it all was. They were accidents, I said sorry and asked him for his help to fix it. And it ended in us not talking for almost a week.

Brutal. That must have been so painful.

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Until he came home after work the other day  and acted like everything was back to normal. Still haven’t gotten an apology from him, not really sure I’m going to. I’m just hoping to find ways that others have coped in these scenarios and find ways not to take things so personally. I’m still looking for an apology because it still stings he accused me of being reckless and having some malicious motive. It’s so silly and ridiculous something so simple has lead to this. I should be able to ask for help and not be ridiculed and have it shoved in my face. I hope I’m not ranting. I’m trying very hard to move past it. I appreciate all the directions I’ve been given towards tools and resources. I will 100% be reviewing and hopefully implementing some changes in the way I respond to my fiancé.

What a painful couple of weeks. And you aren't ranting. There are a lot of painful stories around here... .Have you heard about what folks here call JADE? Justifying, Arguing, Defending, Explaining. 'Jading' is a bad idea, though it seems like a totally normal thing to do. I am still working on reducing how much of this I do, too. Basically jading tends to set off people with BPD (pwBPD). Jading tends to be very invalidating, and for pwBPD it can really push them into emotional dysregulation, at which point they are out of control. I don't know if your fiancé was feeling ashamed of how he'd treated you (waaaay deep down, probably not consciously), if he was feeling judged (I mean I know that you feel like he was judging you, but ... .these reactions aren't restricted to logic), or if he was feeling rejected and attacked. Those would make sense to me as a typical BPD reaction.

Can anybody else chime in on this? 

In these kinds of situations one of the things that I am working on is to take it less personally. I don't know maybe it would help you, too. I try to 1) believe my own truth. What I did was okay and reasonable. If I were the most confident person in the world, I actually wouldn't need anyone else to believe me or say they believe me, because I would know it was true. I try to pretend to be that person. What if I were that person? How would I handle this? Surprisingly, pretending to be super-confident I think makes me actually *less* selfish. In that mode, I feel less defensive and can actually sympathize with what my partner is going through more. What she is going through isn't my version of reality, but it is hers. I don't agree with her, and she doesn't agree with me, but my goal isn't to persuade her anymore. I can just be open to what she is going through. 2) calm down in a sense, any reaction is *my* insecurity acting up. I feel like a little kid not getting any love. So that emotional reaction is in my court. That is the part that I work on. I try to see the feelings of insecurity when they come up; recognize that they are there, they are real, and they come from somewhere. And I try to let them go. (Oooh it is not easy! I do a crappy job!) Focusing on breathing helps me to calm down. I sometimes try to visualize all the upset draining off me into the ground. 3) depersonalize it. my partner having a typical BPD response. It isn't necessarily that I did anything so bad or wrong, but my partner can't help respond like it is a crisis, because she feels like it is a crisis. It isn't. But she really feels that way, and I can't change her. I can see, though, that her reaction is about her more than it is about me. This clarifying who is responsible for what helps me to stay more calm, which keeps things from going so out of control. 4) set boundaries. My partner gets really hurtful and sarcastic (which really pushes my buttons.) So I have decided that I will not participate in a conversation where my partner is being sarcastic. I just say, "I really want to talk to you right now, but you are being sarcastic. If you continue the sarcasm, I am going to leave. But I want to talk to you."  (Again maybe somebody with more BPD-fu can offer tips here!) This move has actually started to work. Last night she started in on me, I stated my boundary, and she left it alone. I was actually impressed by both of us. I was brave enough to put the boundary out there (not my strong suit), and she was in control enough to listen and respect the boundary. Maybe it isn't sarcasm that hurts you, but it sounds like some nasty hurtful stuff was happening. Figuring out what your boundaries are for what constitutes a conversation in which you will take part might also help you feel like you have some more control in your life.   

Hang in there! I hope things are more calm for you soon.

I hope that some of the above makes sense and might have some ideas for you. If I have given the impression that I deal with this perfectly then ha ha! Fooled you! I am a mess trying to muddle through the messy interactions, and I don't know what I am doing moment to moment. But I think this is a good path to be on to help life feel more in control.

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 12:51:41 PM »

I can agree with PChemGuy. I too am new here. I too am a mess in trying to cope with this. Not much to add that hasn't been said, but I'm listening too. And I can certainly relate.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2018, 01:04:47 PM »

PChemGuy, I really like the process you outlined here.  Excellent step by step breakdown that is easy to follow and focus upon.  Nice!
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2018, 12:23:35 AM »

In these kinds of situations one of the things that I am working on is to take it less personally. I don't know maybe it would help you, too. I try to 1) believe my own truth. What I did was okay and reasonable. If I were the most confident person in the world, I actually wouldn't need anyone else to believe me or say they believe me, because I would know it was true. I try to pretend to be that person. What if I were that person? How would I handle this? Surprisingly, pretending to be super-confident I think makes me actually *less* selfish. In that mode, I feel less defensive and can actually sympathize with what my partner is going through more. What she is going through isn't my version of reality, but it is hers. I don't agree with her, and she doesn't agree with me, but my goal isn't to persuade her anymore. I can just be open to what she is going through. 2) calm down in a sense, any reaction is *my* insecurity acting up. I feel like a little kid not getting any love. So that emotional reaction is in my court. That is the part that I work on. I try to see the feelings of insecurity when they come up; recognize that they are there, they are real, and they come from somewhere. And I try to let them go. (Oooh it is not easy! I do a crappy job!) Focusing on breathing helps me to calm down. I sometimes try to visualize all the upset draining off me into the ground. 3) depersonalize it. my partner having a typical BPD response. It isn't necessarily that I did anything so bad or wrong, but my partner can't help respond like it is a crisis, because she feels like it is a crisis. It isn't. But she really feels that way, and I can't change her. I can see, though, that her reaction is about her more than it is about me. This clarifying who is responsible for what helps me to stay more calm, which keeps things from going so out of control. 4) set boundaries. My partner gets really hurtful and sarcastic (which really pushes my buttons.) So I have decided that I will not participate in a conversation where my partner is being sarcastic. I just say, "I really want to talk to you right now, but you are being sarcastic. If you continue the sarcasm, I am going to leave. But I want to talk to you."  (Again maybe somebody with more BPD-fu can offer tips here!) This move has actually started to work. Last night she started in on me, I stated my boundary, and she left it alone. I was actually impressed by both of us. I was brave enough to put the boundary out there (not my strong suit), and she was in control enough to listen and respect the boundary. Maybe it isn't sarcasm that hurts you, but it sounds like some nasty hurtful stuff was happening. Figuring out what your boundaries are for what constitutes a conversation in which you will take part might also help you feel like you have some more control in your life.   

Hang in there! I hope things are more calm for you soon.

I hope that some of the above makes sense and might have some ideas for you. If I have given the impression that I deal with this perfectly then ha ha! Fooled you! I am a mess trying to muddle through the messy interactions, and I don't know what I am doing moment to moment. But I think this is a good path to be on to help life feel more in control.



Thank you so much. I hate to take pleasure in someone else’s pain but it’s so comforting to hear that some of the things I’m experiencing are not so far fetched as I imagined. I thought for so long something was wrong with me and I couldn’t understand or piece together what was happening. There was so much self hatred and frustration. There was actually good that came out from it in the end as I made some major changes for myself with motivation from the multiple criticisms and accusations he was throwing at me.
No one is perfect. But the process you explained was extremely helpful. I had already tried changing my reactions by implementing some of those steps but I certainly lose myself sometimes trying to defend myself from the false accusations. It’s certainly a work in progress. I like the JADE acronym. That’ll be easy to remember and helpful in the heat of the moment when I myself respond too quickly.
I’m glad you’ve found ways to come to peace with yourself so that you can calmly approach these crises. I’ve begun to use meditation to help me feel that calmness and peace and resist the negativity.  I completely understand what you mean when you empathize and understand that to a pwBPD, these situations ARE crises to them. I was able to recognize this about a month ago when something very simple caused a massive reaction and he was convinced we were breaking up and he was moving out. He packed all his clothes. They still happen to be packed stacked against the wall in our room. I think it’s important to remember how they may be feeling and that this is a reality for them at the time.
I’m so thankful to have found a community that understands. I can’t even explain the relief. So thank you to all.
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