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« on: June 06, 2018, 03:02:48 PM »

Hey everyone, I dated this girl for a month. She didnt have BPD, but a little traits. her abusive ex came back and she chose him and sort of ghosted me. You can read more about it on my other posts in this section of the forum.

We haven't spoke in 2-3 weeks since I was blocked everywhere.

My last message was to her "idk why you blocked me on everything" when i found out she blocked me everywhere on texts. The message wasnt even sent because on imessage it sends as blue. this was sent as green.

idk what to do.

She just texted me, saying "hey" and another message saying "you blocked me".
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2018, 03:08:04 PM »

so you gave her space (left her alone) and she cooled down.

careful.

did you block her? what do you want to do?
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2018, 03:16:34 PM »

so you gave her space (left her alone) and she cooled down.

careful.

did you block her? what do you want to do?

I did not block her. Thats why im confused. maybe she said "you blocked me" as a question because i didnt reply immediately and she double texted?

and idk. i feel like its a tragedy waiting to happen. but i did have soo much fun. idk.

i feel like her and her bf are going through some ___ so she wants to hit me up. idk. the damage is done and i cant trust her unless she does hella things to change that. But tbh, i love having options now and being a "hoe"  
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2018, 03:24:21 PM »

i wouldnt respond to the part about whether or not you blocked her.

i feel like her and her bf are going through some so she wants to hit me up.

its possible. that was already the case. it may also be that she remembers the cool, confident CryWolf who stopped chasing.

how about a simple "whats up?"? she wants to talk. why? who knows! let her lead. it doesnt have to be more than that.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2018, 04:48:37 PM »

i cant trust her unless she does hella things to change that.

If she didn't hear from you for three weeks you've made yourself scarce she's wondering what's up, they're fighting and you might be a backup. I don't know about how you feel but if the trust is broken it's hard to repair I can't say that you can't but if someone has poor r/s skills what are the chances that they're going to try to repair the r/s? It sounds like you're having fun keep doing what you're doing.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2018, 06:41:44 PM »

WIll update you guys when I can. Currently at work. And I’m pretty much gonna go to her house later. She is making dinner  she told me about how she’s scared and someone broke into her place and stole everything and how she feels likes being watched. Idk what I’m getting myself into, and not sure if this is her way of charming since her ex left or idk. I didn’t bring up “where’s your ex”. So idk.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2018, 07:37:33 PM »

be careful, dude... .
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2018, 07:41:55 PM »

so, she left you and blocked you everywhere and now when she is in trouble and afraid she reaches out to you... .

the "you blocked me" message is typical, she already projected the blame onto you to lift all the weight from her shoulders


when someone reaches out to you only after they are in big need for something it doesn't mean anything deep, this goes for friendships also... .I know you're emotions are pushing you towards her, but I would expect another abandonment sooner or later. so, be very careful, don't expect too much so you won't be devastated if something goes wrong again.

It's more natural when someone contacts you with emotions rather when something starts to get wrong in their lives, but that's just my opinion
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2018, 07:59:11 PM »

Yea I honestly didn’t wanna go. And got disappointed when I said I would. I know she’s most likely just lonely and using me for attention again. But now she’s texting and making dinner. Being like how she was before she pushed me away...

Should I ask where her ex is?
I want an apology to be honest. I don’t wanna make this easy on her.
And there is no way I want anything serious with her anymore. I guess just fun now. I feel a lot better at managing my feelings now, and I’m talking to another girl who actually shows interest and seems much nicer

I don’t think ima sleep over and leave after a few hours
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2018, 08:46:05 PM »

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I’m talking to another girl who actually shows interest and seems much nicer

Pay attention to her the girl thiat you’re fond of and keep working on detaching with your ex. I agree with gilac she was like a damsel in distress and you’re rushing in there like a white knight be aware of that.
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2018, 09:58:30 PM »

I want an apology to be honest. I don’t wanna make this easy on her.

i dont know if this is a good strategy either, especially if you dont want anything serious. if youre that bothered with what she did, not responding would have been just as well.

keep us posted.
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2018, 05:50:15 AM »

Hey everyone, I dated this girl for a month. She didnt have BPD, but a little traits. her abusive ex came back and she chose him and sort of ghosted me. You can read more about it on my other posts in this section of the forum.

We haven't spoke in 2-3 weeks since I was blocked everywhere.

My last message was to her "idk why you blocked me on everything" when i found out she blocked me everywhere on texts. The message wasnt even sent because on imessage it sends as blue. this was sent as green.

She just texted me, saying "hey" and another message saying "you blocked me".


idk what to do.




If you want my sole opinion ,move on from her she’s not worth your time bro.Why would you want someone who flakes like that back in your life ? It’s clear she’s not over her ex and even if she says she is you can’t take someone like that seriously in anyway?
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2018, 09:42:28 AM »

It simply sounds like she is in an "on again/off again" stage with her ex. You can't tell how far she is out (is this the first or the 10th recycle), but clearly she hasn't ended the relationship and grieved... .which is her choice... .but it's risky territory for you.

You are the rebound relationship. She may recycle with him again. She may be reaching too quickly for a replacement and change her mind in the future about you... .it's messy... .not necessarily a problem waiting to happen, but certainly a high possibility.

Asking her to "apologize" or "prove herself" is not helpful... .her emotions are as volatile as yours and you don't know what you want here, either.

Shawnlam says walk, too many bad signs for 1 month in. It's a valid opinion.

If you really want to give this a go... .recognize that you won't know if she is broken up for at least a couple of months... .she could exit anytime just like she did last time. Also recognize that rebounds have a very high failure rate - essentially, we become proxies and healers in rebound relationships and often become expendable 6 - 12 months out.

What do you think makes sense for you? Members can help you keep yourself honest (with yourself).  Being cool (click to insert in post)

I still miss my exBPD. We haven’t spoke since early February.

You're vulnerable. A lot of these troubled relationships here started when members were still grieving a prior relationship.
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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2018, 06:31:10 AM »

Hey everyone! I'm honestly shocked with all the support and responses you guys have given me!

I completely agree with all of you and I don't even know where she stands with her ex, but I do know she has drama/trouble surrounding her. And I am not trying to be a white knight for her either.

Let me update you guys on what has happened since the night I saw her.

I went over to her house. She made me a grand dinner (steak) after I told her how I was hungry after work and she should cook for me. and she ran to the grocery store and surprised me. No im not using her, just in a sense testing her?

She was cooking, while i was watching the game, then out of nowhere she hugged me. a long hug.

Then she started telling me how her place got robbed. Etc. Then if I remember correctly I think I caught her in a lie. She kept mentioning the "sugar daddy (SD)" and how she took him to airport and came back and ehr belongings were gone.

But I noticed a pattern, she never mentioned the ex. And I remember her saying how he had a key, hes crazy, and there was no forced entry inside. (i watch a lot of detective shows ). She told me "oh he wouldnt do that"' and then I asked why didnt u just invite him instead of me? she said "i took him to airport" and so i ask, i thought you took the SD? andshe said no. And then things didnt make sense. I wonder if she was splitting or just caught lying. But, I asked "so both guys went to airport same night to two diff places?" and she said yea, "one went here and the other there. " I didnt believe that . My exBPD did something similar before when we met, and lied about two diff guys when both were her ex. So I can notice the bull___ much better now. I also suspect she may be lying about the ex ever coming back? idk.

Also, you guys may say "i shouldnt have said this or that" as you read on, but at the it occured I didnt care of the outcome with this girl because I knew it wouldnt get far. And she would dissapear again.

Continuing on, after she told me both guys arent here, I asked her "so why am I here?" and she said "because i feel unsafe and I miss you. I didnt know if you would have picked up honestly. I thought you hated me, and would have blocked me". I said "you sure youre not just lonely since no one is here?" she said how she missed me, etc. I forgot tbh what she said. I honestly havent been listening attentatively to her because i just feel like everyting was bs she was saying.

I was silent, and not giving her 100% attention. Playing with her dog and watching the nba finals.

We ate, then decided to go to the city for a bit. We both smoked a little (made us less tense) and more talkitive.  I just made her laugh all night. Then on the way back, we talked. I dont remember how things got brought up, but she opened up about everything. But I still dont trust her.

She told me how her ex and her arent together, just good terms. which means no fighting. She told me how I didnt do anything wrong, and she got scared because I was doing everything right. She told me, I was doing everything right she wanted in a guy that she became scared and had to leave. She said how things were moving so quick, and everything felt so good. How i was coming off strong, doing everything right, not being crazy or possessive, etc. and how she was coming off strong and she couldnt handle it. She told me she panicked, and had to block me. ( i call BULL POOP) HERE.

She also said, how she realized she didnt want to lose someone like me. How she doesnt trust anyone and with me she could be herself and share anything and everything with. How she doesnt feel insecure or scared with me and I bring the best out of her. She said, she wants to keep me. and then she said "i dont mean keep, because thats possesive" and i joked and said "its okay, i know im a keeper" and made her laugh. (just wanted to include that little smooth tidbit right there for you guys )

I asked, "then why did u have to choose ur ex if you felt all these things?" and she said "i dont know. "  Then I wondered, I remember her going on her phone and showing me pics, and there were a bunch of pics with the SD since me and her last spoke. and then apparently the SD doesnt like her seeing other guys. and the night she broke things off with me was when she met the SD. soo, idk. but I think the SD plays a factor here. And I dont want a r/s with someone who has a SD. Im not okay with it.

Anyways, back to what happened. She asked me, " did you think about me?" i said, "for a few days but I got over it" and she asked " when was the last time I was on your mind?" I said, "i dont rembemer, maybe last week?"

she told me how i was always on her mind. how little things would remind her of me. how she wanted to text but didnt know how id respond and how i hated her.

she asked if i missed her, and i told her "for a day or two, but i was more confused on what happened. i wondered if i did anything wrong"

she said "you didnt do anything wrong, u did everything right and i got scared. and i know its not right"

later she grabbed my hand. usually i do the hand grabbing or initiating contact.

later we got in bed, and i asked "so how is possible if u missed me so much but before you were barely affectionate and i would go for ur hand or initiate contact?"

She said how she was afraid of not moving too fast and wanted things to go slow before.

we talked about random things and joked. i called her a damsel and she laughed.

then later things lead to another and we had some activities occur.  

left in the morning, then later in the day we texted. then facetimed last night and fell asleep.

somewhere during the night, i said something along the lines of "i wouldnt be surprised if we stop talking after the weekend"
and she said how she felt hurt, and i asked "how do u think i felt?" i forgot what was said after that but things went good.

I know she could leave any minute. I am doing everything i can not to get invested or sucked in. I just want fun right now. some of her actions remind me a lot of my BPD ex. I'm not expecting a r/s with this girl, but i guess just fun in the time being. And i dont want to be with someone who has other guys in the picture.

Thank you all for keeping me level headed, I need it. Have fun dissecting/reading this  

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2018, 08:11:14 PM »

Only thing I’m gonna say here is be careful with your emotions and attachment to her that’s pretty much it.Me? I’d never have gone this far speaking solely if I was in your shoes that’s for sure .So many red flags it’s crazy but I see the same trends my ex had .1:she has a harem of ex’s and go to men + sugar daddy 2:she can’t be alone so let’s say you do become involved and you are out on business ... .need I say more 3: who drives their ex to an airport 4: the excess lying 5: the I miss you ,your perfect (heard that before).  I honestly could go on but I checked out on her at sugar daddy .
If it’s fun you want or let me reword this : if it’s fun I was looking for I’d definitely go for Someone stable ,not a liar , and won’t string my emotional harp Everytime she’s bored or lonely .Thats my two cents

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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2018, 02:08:03 AM »

Yes a lot of red flags I see and I am cautious of everything. I hate the idea of her having a SD. She told me she liked me yesterday morning.

If she wants to be with me. A lot of damage control she has to do to gain my trust. We both like each other, but things aren’t right at the moment with external forces. I don’t think I fully want to commit with anyone either. Dating is cool. I want to just be the best I can be honestly. I like this girl but like all of you guys have stated, be cautious. And i don’t want to be cautious.
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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2018, 11:06:12 AM »

Yes a lot of red flags I see and I am cautious of everything. I hate the idea of her having a SD. She told me she liked me yesterday morning.

If she wants to be with me. A lot of damage control she has to do to gain my trust. We both like each other, but things aren’t right at the moment with external forces. I don’t think I fully want to commit with anyone either. Dating is cool. I want to just be the best I can be honestly. I like this girl but like all of you guys have stated, be cautious. And i don’t want to be cautious.

"being cautious" can mean two very different things.

1. "im afraid to get hurt so im watching for ways in which i might be hurt and trying to out maneuver her"

2. "this relationship has a low ceiling, i see it for what it is, so ive set my expectations, investment, and attachment accordingly"

are you closer to one of those?
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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2018, 11:23:51 AM »

I like this girl but like all of you guys have stated, be cautious. And i don’t want to be cautious.

Are people are saying "get into a relationship and be cautious". Or are they are saying use caution in making a decision to continue... .or, in other words, this is trouble and it would be wise to stay out, but we don't want to tell you what to do... .

If she wants to be with me. A lot of damage control she has to do to gain my trust. We both like each other, but things aren’t right at the moment... .

What can she possibly say or do to convince you that she is not who she has shown you to be?

She jumped in with you, before ending the last relationship, then set you aside (sorta) to go back to him, now she is back with you (likely he is in the "sorta box" now... .and there is always the other guy.  This is not a person to mess with... .

And lets look at you. You are still missing your ex.

If this is just casual FWB stuff, maybe, but is that who you are? It doesn't sound like it.

It will help to write down and share this... .what advice would you give me if I was in your situation... .who do you wish this person was that she is not?




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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2018, 12:25:46 PM »

"being cautious" can mean two very different things.

1. "im afraid to get hurt so im watching for ways in which i might be hurt and trying to out maneuver her"

2. "this relationship has a low ceiling, i see it for what it is, so ive set my expectations, investment, and attachment accordingly"

are you closer to one of those?

I believe both. But mostly the second one.

Are people are saying "get into a relationship and be cautious". Or are they are saying use caution in making a decision to continue... .or, in other words, this is trouble and it would be wise to stay out, but we don't want to tell you what to do... .




Sorry, I meant to say "I am doing the best i can to be cautious. I was pretty sleepy writing this.

What can she possibly say or do to convince you that she is not who she has shown you to be?

She jumped in with you, before ending the last relationship, then set you aside (sorta) to go back to him, now she is back with you (likely he is in the "sorta box" now... .and there is always the other guy.  This is not a person to mess with... .

And lets look at you. You are still missing your ex.

If this is just casual FWB stuff, maybe, but is that who you are? It doesn't sound like it.

It will help to write down and share this... .what advice would you give me if I was in your situation... .who do you wish this person was that she is not?

I am not sure if there is an ex or not, which is confusing me. Because I feel like she isnt telling me 100% of the truth. I am curious and would like to figure that out. Did she lie about the ex to withdraw from me? Or was it the truth and he did come back? or was it because of the SD? I dont know. Its annoying, but im trying not to dwell on it and stay detached. 

She opened up to me about all her feelings, and my brain tells me to slow down and not trust her but my gut feeling tells me she cares and likes me and its genuine. This is where it gets messy, so I am continuing to date and not put all my emotions and time on one person. I want to see where it goes, but be alert.

We arent FWB. She told me she wants to take it slow and wait. We did some acts but not full blown sex. She told me she's not that type of girl and she actually likes me and wants us to take it slow. Either she means it or is just using me. IDK.

i like who she is. I love how she can be herself with me. I love how she can talk about her feelings when shes upset. I love how she cares about my day, etc. But need her to be more honest. I want to know where I stand. i want her to get her ___ together and if she wants to be with me then tell me. i dont want her to have an SD and be honest about the situation of the ex. She knows I cant give her a lavish lifestyle or any of that. She's leaving the country in 2 days for vacation to see her family, so i wont see her for a while.

If I were to give you advice, I would honestly tell you to be careful and not have any expectations. To let her do most of the pursuing and chasing to see her interest. I would tell you to be cautious to not get into any unnecessary drama.
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2018, 10:41:00 PM »

Back to her BS. She been distant again after opening up for 3 days and all that crap telling me how much she likes me, and she's sorry for hurting me. how she wants us to be serious and take it slow and all that.  Of course I didnt believe it, but a part of me wanted to. A part of me had hopes she was telling the truth and being honest. Im not sad, im just disappointed i guess. I even told her the first night, "we're probably not gonna see each other after the weekend and I wouldnt be suprised" and she went on and told me we will and she will do her best, etc.

She's leaving the country in a day and I wanted to see her.

me:
   Am i gonna see you before you leave the country?
her:
   I don’t think so
me:
   Alright
her:
   U upset ?
me:
   Does it matter?
her:
   Well I guess not
me:
   Yea I’m upset.
her:
   Why
me:
   You told me how much you like me, how you’re scared of getting hurt and I been trynna show you I’m different and that I like you too. I been 100. I need the same from you. But ever since your boy came back, we went back on that bulls--t from before. Where you only talk to me when no one is around.
   If you don’t wanna get serious down  the road then lmk, so I know what we’re doing.


I hate to say it, but you all were right.
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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2018, 08:55:44 AM »

There is a lesson here, wolf'. An important one to learn.

We can't shortcut our healing buy finding a replacement me. All it does is take the pain and roll it forward (like minutes on a cell phone plan) and when we have the next breakup, all the pain from both breakups comes to the surface.

You are not ready to date - especially seriously date. You've picked an attractive girl who is playing the field (her right) and you are hoping to make "Miss. Right" out of her.

Finding real long term partner is to know what they look like (which is not like this) and to be attractive to them.

She isn't what you want. She doesn't want to be what you want. She has every right to live her life, have a sugar daddy, and date a couple of guys at the same time. Someone else is the "A" guy that she is seeing before she leaves.

This is not serious relationship material and you can't will her to be that or win her with that approach.

It's OK. We often reach for cure-all relationships when we are hurt.  Mant member here met their BPD partner that way.

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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2018, 10:52:05 AM »

@skip

You hit the nail on the coffin. I tried to go about being fine and over my exBPd. And I honestly though I did. The anxiety and thoughts about her stopped. I enjoyed dating new girls and meeting new people. This girl came back and left again. And the past few days, my longing for my exBPD has came back.

Last night, I was on a date with a new girl (J). I’m gonna take this one slow as heck, and keep it casual. After the date, I went to this bubble tea place my ex and I would frequent. I hoped to see her there. I didn’t, but I saw some other friends.

I felt embarrassed I did this. I haven’t done this in months. So yea, the breakup with the last girl (D), brought back the pain and hurt. I had a dream about my ex again last night. I woke up wanting to check her blog, but I won’t. I want to connect but the feeling will pass.

As for D. I know I can’t make her into anything. She just shows me a side that she doesn’t display to others. Couldn’t it be an act? Could it be the truth? Who knows. But I do know I can’t save her, she has to save herself from whatever it is.

She told me how she feels safe, how she doesn’t have pretend someone she’s not, etc etc with me. But on social media she acts like someone else. I’ve seen the good in her. I almost didn’t pass my class this semester and she told me “no we’re gonna pass and get through this” we did all our homework, labs and studied for exams together. I was too depressed thinking about my exBPD that this girl went out her way for me. So I do see the good in her.  But I cant be a white knight. It almost killed me last time I was a white night for someone.

It’s her life and how she chooses to live it, is on her.

Another thing is, I try getting mad but I can’t. I can’t be mad at my exBPD or this girl. I would get mad for a brief moment then let it go. I’m not sure if I’m supposed to be mad or not?
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