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« on: July 03, 2018, 06:42:06 PM »

Please note, I can only talk from a 'waif' perspective [covert / non -raging in general] as I've never hung around for the commoner garden 'act -out' (x 5) variety! I'm also very interested in others' perspectives on this 'gratuity' : )

I think one of the things often ignored is the incredibly positive motivation / behaviours (towards the non) that  'infatuation' brings to BPD behaviour!  That 'magic' appears to be a hook that entices us nons to go back several times before realising that particular period NEVER really comes back for any length after 'their' honeymoon period. Personally, I feel there is virtually something spiritually missing when you deal with any Cluster B. For me, so many of their behaviours project the worst of their deep -buried feelings - esp. onto any non that stays long enough. Isn't it odd that the badly put -upon  non can end up experiencing feelings of e.g.anxiety / turmoil / depression / being out of control / unable to focus... .JUST like the deep -rooted, negative subconscious feelings the BPD has in spades and is ALWAYS fighting to suppress? This is why I say to recognise the behaviours you see after the idealisation stage  as the REAL BPD in actual bloom: - Namely, a disordered adult with the impulses of a 5 year old who seeks unconditional love in the unfairest and often most twisted ways possible.   

So many have found the ex- non a BPD will select to be 'friends' is the guy who didn't make 'everlasting love' status (no one does) but is considered valuable / highly malleable (this is important ; ) Typically, to do their bidding... .while they seek out the newest love of their life. The guy who won't enforce boundaries or call them on their crap is ideal to provide support or that ego -boost on tap!  They'll  tell you what you mean to them (to keep you on-side ; )  but won't be there for you (same as in the relationship after the honeymoon period , ) And they certainly won't respect any agreements on how to move forward. As this is, in reality, *a very one- sided friendship with a pathological very ready to take full advantage of knowing you're still into them.*

So they'll keep you (for now) but treat you increasingly worse. They'll no longer return calls or respond to  texts as quickly / they'll 'forget' /even make and break plans with no courtesies given... .and give you the silent treatment if you complain. Trans: You are starting to call me on my BS / question my worsening treatment and this supply is simply no good if i can't do whatever i want to do when i want!  You'll find they just can't put up with your argumentative behaviour, neediness and 'stalking'. i.e. You expecting the courtesy of a timely response that they had NO problems giving for months before when 'infatuated'! : )     

Again, the honeymoon period is O.V.E.R  and for many of us the realisation we are now dealing with a cold, calculating sociopath is often a starkly dispiriting one (devastating for many). Plus their 'testing' never stops! If you've been 'difficult' - but there is no properly teed -up new 'love' - they'll just ramp up the disrespect (why not ? They don't care about you now those HM super- endorphins are gone!) And their ability to be 'childishly  vindictive' manifests as no less than torture of those with really low self-esteem!
N.B The stronger characters will have told them exactly where to go by now! And the middling ones will be discarded as soon as the new suitable supply is unearthed, locked -on to and targeted for love -bombing. 

They'll typically consider the weakest mentality characters for future recycling. But, ironically, circumstances can mean even the strongest, successful 'resistees' can be re-approached if the subsequent 'new loves' just weren't memorable enough in the long run. This will likely result in not much more than them being abused in various ways  -esp. if the non is wise to the ways of BPD!

Tread carefully with those friendships now... .

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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2018, 07:07:20 AM »

This is a very interesting post. I'm not sure what a waif is, although I hear you qualifying your thoughts in that we can't overgeneralize, all are individuals etc.

Personally, I feel there is virtually something spiritually missing when you deal with any Cluster B.

This is one of the obstacles for a lot of 'non's who embark on a r/s with BPD, whether unwittingly or knowing what is being gotten into, e.g. staying after abuse or discarding. I wonder about whether BPD can have an authentic spiritual life because part of the currency of relationships for most of us is some form of Golden rule. Every faith has a form of this. Yet a cluster B, or for that matter a full on psychotic who hears voices and detaches from reality (which is comorbid with about one-third of BPs according to Pubmed studies), couldn't live by this because his/her needs are so overwhelming, and narcissism which is present in all cluster B's leaves no room for genuine compassion or caring how another is doing/faring, even someone they claim to love. Loving someone requires decisions that are at times in conflict with one's own self interest, based solely on an ethical compass -- e.g. not to cheat, lie etc. B's needs are so overwhelming what's to stop them from doing any action destructive to the r/s (or themselves) if it provides temporary respite from the emotional pain? So golden rule is out the window. And faith requires constancy, while BP in particular lacks this trait.

Only exceptions being the more insightful B's who commit fully to healing and have the resources (time and money/health insurance) for competent, intensive therapy. Then again, it's chicken and egg because for someone to go through the hard work of unearthing and re-living, processing whatever past trauma(s) led to the disorganized personality, they must have some kind of faith in the healing process, which might reflect a belief in a higher power.

Isn't it odd that the badly put -upon  non can end up experiencing feelings of e.g.anxiety / turmoil / depression / being out of control / unable to focus... .JUST like the deep -rooted, negative subconscious feelings the BPD has in spades and is ALWAYS fighting to suppress?

This idea actually came up in a counseling session. I wonder if people who act out, in whatever manner, are not setting out to harm another so much as they are trying to feel less alone, so they keep acting out until people close to them join them in the disorganized feeling? I've always been interested in pathology, curious what is the ultimate payoff for someone who knowingly mistreats another person. There's more to explore in reading about attachment theory.

It may be one reason a BP feels familiar to us, or like we've found our "other half"... .we all experience this aloneness and yearning for attachment. But this yearning will be forever frustrated with a cluster B who remains untreated. At any rate if viewed through this lens it's easier to depersonalize their behaviors, whether raging, ghosting etc. Has nothing to do with us. And we all need to carve out our own path toward union, which can be a blend of friends, family, work and hobbies in which we immerse ourselves etc.

Again, the honeymoon period is O.V.E.R  and for many of us the realisation we are now dealing with a cold, calculating sociopath is often a starkly dispiriting one (devastating for many).

I can relate... .the stalking was all about his needs and very much to my detriment. Shows absence of the golden rule and empathy, at least for that individual. First I had to grieve the end of the relationship, but I couldn't stop there... .added to that has been on-going terror, all the while grieving for the depth of the waywardness in someone I had respected, and whose potential for healing I believed in. Very tough stuff.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2018, 07:35:12 AM »

spacecadet - Good to read  your additional thoughts. There are many different terminologies (some more popular than others). The waif can also be called the 'quiet borderline' simply because they will rarely rage and will internalise any upset [hence v. often hypocondriacal ]with you by withdrawing and silent treatment. From what i have read (and is the casse with mine) they often won't even swear when annoyed as their internal script is to be the most perfect little girl.

Above aside, all the same destructive patterns / internal issues  play out as you and many of us recognise in the more explosive borderlines out there. I hope you are healing well : )   
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